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C'mon Scott, I really was just poking fun at your enthusiam for large surrounds, having fun

Oh I know. I was poking fun (with you ) at the other guys justifying their choice for using smaller surrounds. Like, it matters to us.

It's okay to have reasonably sized speaker in your house. Old cranky Scott isn't going to come over and wreck your fun for not having monster truck sized speakers in every corner of the room.


At the same time we can't ignore the differences in capability. Doesn't mean we have to diminish the differences in order to enjoy what we have. I want big speakers too!



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rofl **** my 8350s are 'small' and they're a high power 10 with a cd.
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rofl **** my 8350s are 'small' and they're a high power 10 with a cd.
Congrats, bro!
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Hopefully the humor is seen in my posts and they are not taken directly to heart.
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Anyways just my own opinion based on what i observe....
I hear ya, but I have 5,790 George Washingtons that I spent on 4722 surrounds w/upgraded CDs that I will contrast against subjective opinion. I am just giving you my unbiased feedback as one who has sat on both sides of the 4722 surround fence. If the SCS 8's sucked compared to the 4722, I would be the first to admit it. I have no need to bolster my hardware change. I really don't use the room that much anymore so I am far from trying to make it something that it's not. I was actually very surprised at the end result and would have argued until I was blue in the face otherwise until I actually experienced it. I am actually eating a lot of crow because there are countless threads where I touted the superiority of full sized surrounds vs smaller ones.
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Hopefully the humor is seen in my posts and they are not taken directly to heart.
I read every one of your posts as humorous

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Hey! I'm a long time fan of teh Jubz.



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Would the MD2 be an upgrade path... JBL has a Dance-club series, the MD series range of products... they give out sick amount of bass... and the MD2 seems to come with the upgraded 2453H-SL CDs already... if only they can be gotten cheap.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...2#.WPnMkNJ96Uk

Add in this sick subwoofer with gobs and gobs of mid bass slam (that satisfies even the zombie head shakers)...

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...7#.WPnM9dJ96Uk

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Going for the refrigerators huh? Sweet! Enjoy!
Yea it's a ultimate 'only 2 speaker' solution for a little time (getting three). I am also looking forward BMS's new 'High End' versions of their compression drivers Subtle tweaks yes but a speaker is a sum of all it's parts and abilities...

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Would the MD2 be an upgrade path... JBL has a Dance-club series, the MD series range of products... they give out sick amount of bass... and the MD2 seems to come with the upgraded 2453H-SL CDs already... if only they can be gotten cheap.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...2#.WPnMkNJ96Uk

Add in this sick subwoofer with gobs and gobs of mid bass slam (that satisfies even the zombie head shakers)...

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...7#.WPnM9dJ96Uk
Planning to jump from your JTR 212?
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Getting itchy... never say never!
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Anyone here have experience with the JBL SCS 8 speakers? Are they good surround and ceiling speakers? Do they actually have good sound quality or just "go loud"? Do you think they would be a good match for the JBL M2 as side/back surrounds and ceilings?
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Anyone here have experience with the JBL SCS 8 speakers? Are they good surround and ceiling speakers? Do they actually have good sound quality or just "go loud"? Do you think they would be a good match for the JBL M2 as side/back surrounds and ceilings?
Half the guys if not more around here run them. So that should tell you enough right there. They aren't going to match as well as some 708 or 705's, but they would be the next best options as even JBL typically pairs them to m2's in their demo room. I typically choose not to argue against what the actual speaker manufacturer does, so you really can't go wrong with the scs8 paired with some m2's

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Anyone here have experience with the JBL SCS 8 speakers? Are they good surround and ceiling speakers? Do they actually have good sound quality or just "go loud"? Do you think they would be a good match for the JBL M2 as side/back surrounds and ceilings?
I will mirror and agree 100% with what Beast just wrote.

I am running 8 of them in my room for surround and Atmos duty. My LCR's are the 4722N's. When i first got the 4722's, I had some 8340A's in the room for surrounds. Then I upgraded to the SCS8's when I added Atmos to my room. IMO, they are an incredible speaker and do a great job for what I have them installed to do. No regrets at all adding them to my room.
I also think the "Rob Hahn Theater" is using a combination of the SCS8's or SCS12's for surround and Atmos duty. His LCR are the M2's.
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Not sure if @Gooddoc has heard the SCS8s with his M2s, not sure of any other active posters in his thread with the M2s.

@Molon_Labe had 7 4722s for mains and surrounds but ended up selling the rear 4 to gain room and he switched to SCS8s. He mentioned a couple pages back that it isn't quite the same obviously but he expected a larger difference than reality. He said knowing what he knows now, he wished he had gone with the SCS8s from the beginning.

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Not sure if @Gooddoc has heard the SCS8s with his M2s, not sure of any other active posters in his thread with the M2s.

@Molon_Labe had 7 4722s for mains and surrounds but ended up selling the rear 4 to gain room and he switched to SCS8s. He mentioned a couple pages back that it isn't quite the same obviously but he expected a larger difference than reality. He said knowing what he knows now, he wished he had gone with the SCS8s from the beginning.
No, I haven't heard the SCS8's, but as has been mentioned already I'm sure they are a great speaker.

I had suggested the 708's to the poster since they are the closest match to the M2's. He's concerned about output in a room smaller than mine.

All I know is that my system is extremely dangerous to my hearing in my room as any single song played nowhere near it's limits can ring my ears for hours. There is no need to give up SQ for more output.

But to each his own. Maybe Danley Jericho's are more appropriate for his listening habits, I don't know.
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I had suggested the 708's to the poster since they are the closest match to the M2's. He's concerned about output in a room smaller than mine.

All I know is that my system is extremely dangerous to my hearing in my room as any single song played nowhere near it's limits can ring my ears for hours. There is no need to give up SQ for more output.

But to each his own. Maybe Danley Jericho's are more appropriate for his listening habits, I don't know.
I have a set of the 2014 JTR 212HT-LP and I often tell people, with most speakers if you turn them up, the speaker gets unhappy. With the compression drivers in these and the other speakers we're talking about, you'll get unhappy before the speaker will. With a strong sub system, I can't imagine any of the speakers we're discussing, including your M2s, as having any problem getting louder than I could stand while still playing clean. And with the LCRs doing the heavy lifting, I'm not sure the surrounds are an issue with output. Actually, if using the LCRs and 4 surrounds for a 7.x.x concert, that actually helps with the output level since all of the speakers can get extremely loud collectively. Output levels aren't something I consider anymore with the extreme capabilities of today's compression drivers and horns. And to me output capability is worthless if it doesn't sound good but we can have our cake too with detailed and nuanced sound.

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I have a set of the 2014 JTR 212HT-LP and I often tell people, with most speakers if you turn them up, the speaker gets unhappy. With the compression drivers in these and the other speakers we're talking about, you'll get unhappy before the speaker will. With a strong sub system, I can't imagine any of the speakers we're discussing, including your M2s, as having any problem getting louder than I could stand while still playing clean. And with the LCRs doing the heavy lifting, I'm not sure the surrounds are an issue with output. Actually, if using the LCRs and 4 surrounds for a 7.x.x concert, that actually helps with the output level since all of the speakers can get extremely loud collectively. Output levels aren't something I consider anymore with the extreme capabilities of today's compression drivers and horns. And to me output capability is worthless if it doesn't sound good but we can have our cake too with detailed and nuanced sound.
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I have a set of the 2014 JTR 212HT-LP and I often tell people, with most speakers if you turn them up, the speaker gets unhappy. With the compression drivers in these and the other speakers we're talking about, you'll get unhappy before the speaker will. With a strong sub system, I can't imagine any of the speakers we're discussing, including your M2s, as having any problem getting louder than I could stand while still playing clean. And with the LCRs doing the heavy lifting, I'm not sure the surrounds are an issue with output. Actually, if using the LCRs and 4 surrounds for a 7.x.x concert, that actually helps with the output level since all of the speakers can get extremely loud collectively. Output levels aren't something I consider anymore with the extreme capabilities of today's compression drivers and horns. And to me output capability is worthless if it doesn't sound good but we can have our cake too with detailed and nuanced sound.
Exactly. Having owned the jtr 212 I can tell you that the M2's crossed over to subs are indistinguishable from the 212's as far as output capability in my room. Both play loud and clear until the point where you don't want to be in the room with either one.

Same goes with the surrounds in multi-channel playback. It is always my ears, not the speakers that moderate my volume.

In fact, I have literally never heard my system distressed. I have provided many demos and we all know what happens during demos, haha. Stupid loud.

@DreamWarrior recently relayed what happened during a demo of his M2's in a large room at a listening distance of 15 feet. Add surrounds to that and this is just a stupid discussion.
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Anyone here have experience with the JBL SCS 8 speakers? Are they good surround and ceiling speakers? Do they actually have good sound quality or just "go loud"? Do you think they would be a good match for the JBL M2 as side/back surrounds and ceilings?

I have 10 of them to go with 4722's (with the upgraded CD's/spacers) for LCR. The only downside is how deep they are, they really do shrink the perceived size my room so be aware of that issue. I wouldn't change it though, they really do have a huge dispersion and they sound great and the bracket makes them so easy to mount and aim how you want them.
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Yeah, there's always some type of trade off or another. Thoughs SCS8 really impressed me when I had them....especially for the $$. I'm going to reach out again today to see if I can get some clear answers from JBL on a comparison. I'd just hate to buy the controls and find out they're really a restuarant ceiling ambiance speaker lol.
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With any of these "superspeakers" it is prudent to occasionally break out the SPL meter to check the dB level. The absolute lack of distortion can lead to higher listening levels than is prudent.
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Thanks for the replies to my question.

Another factor making me go towards the SCS 8 for surrounds and ceiling over the 7 Series is price. Eight SCS 8 speakers are whole lot cheaper than eight 7 Series speakers. If there is not too much sound quality variation between M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as surrounds/ceiling, I will quite surely go with them. I was told that after some EQ/room correction work, the setup will work very well. Even JBL used M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as all surround and ceiling speakers during the 2014 or 2015 CEDIA demo.

One more question...

If, and only if, I decide to go with Klipsch speakers for my new home theater (the upcoming RF-7 III for front left/right, RC-64 III for center, and RP-160M for side and back surrounds), could I use the SCS 8 as ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X? I am asking because Klipsch does not make ceiling mountable speakers and they only have in-ceiling speakers which will not work for me as I have a concrete ceiling. Will the SCS 8 match the Klipsch speakers well enough for ceiling speaker duties?
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Thanks for the replies to my question.

Another factor making me go towards the SCS 8 for surrounds and ceiling over the 7 Series is price. Eight SCS 8 speakers are whole lot cheaper than eight 7 Series speakers. If there is not too much sound quality variation between M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as surrounds/ceiling, I will quite surely go with them. I was told that after some EQ/room correction work, the setup will work very well. Even JBL used M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as all surround and ceiling speakers during the 2014 or 2015 CEDIA demo.

One more question...

If, and only if, I decide to go with Klipsch speakers for my new home theater (the upcoming RF-7 III for front left/right, RC-64 III for center, and RP-160M for side and back surrounds), could I use the SCS 8 as ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X? I am asking because Klipsch does not make ceiling mountable speakers and they only have in-ceiling speakers which will not work for me as I have a concrete ceiling. Will the SCS 8 match the Klipsch speakers well enough for ceiling speaker duties?
Did you just say you are considering Klipsch R series over the M2? Whatever your sipping on, put the cork back in the bottle and go take a nap. Please don't drive or operate machinery because it is very apparent you are impaired and have probably lost some motor control. We are extremely concerned for your safety at the moment considering the gibberish, incoherent thought, and lack of sound judgement you are displaying.
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Thanks for the replies to my question.

Another factor making me go towards the SCS 8 for surrounds and ceiling over the 7 Series is price. Eight SCS 8 speakers are whole lot cheaper than eight 7 Series speakers. If there is not too much sound quality variation between M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as surrounds/ceiling, I will quite surely go with them. I was told that after some EQ/room correction work, the setup will work very well. Even JBL used M2 as LCR and SCS 8 as all surround and ceiling speakers during the 2014 or 2015 CEDIA demo.

One more question...

If, and only if, I decide to go with Klipsch speakers for my new home theater (the upcoming RF-7 III for front left/right, RC-64 III for center, and RP-160M for side and back surrounds), could I use the SCS 8 as ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X? I am asking because Klipsch does not make ceiling mountable speakers and they only have in-ceiling speakers which will not work for me as I have a concrete ceiling. Will the SCS 8 match the Klipsch speakers well enough for ceiling speaker duties?

What price are you seeing for the scs8's? I got mine for 315 each shipped. Let me know if this is a better price and I can PM you the cell of the guy that I was in contact with.
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Did you just say you are considering Klipsch R series over the M2? Whatever your sipping on, put the cork back in the bottle and go take a nap. Please don't drive or operate machinery because it is very apparent you are impaired and have probably lost some motor control. We are extremely concerned for your safety at the moment considering the gibberish, incoherent thought, and lack of sound judgement you are displaying.
Considering Klipsch not because I think they are better, but because they are a lot cheaper.

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What price are you seeing for the scs8's? I got mine for 315 each shipped. Let me know if this is a better price and I can PM you the cell of the guy that I was in contact with.
I'm seeing around $500/each on the Internet after some brief research. Haven't approached my local JBL dealer just yet. Need to sort some stuff out first.
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Considering Klipsch not because I think they are better, but because they are a lot cheaper.
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