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I'm 10 feet from the center channel, a bit further obviously to the L/R and there are zero issues with being that far away so you are easily good to go. I did the upgraded compression drivers and the result is that I'm 2+ years of having these speakers and still have no desire to upgrade/switch which for me is an eternity.

You can sell the original CD's on ebay for 100 each/300 total. They sound good, but it's a significant difference IMO.
I can vouch for Carp, he's had more speakers than Wilt Chamberlain had one night stands

I'm actually in the same boat as I had many HT speakers in the last 7 years but ever since I bought these a couple of years ago, I've had no desire to change (I also have the upgraded CD).

In all seriousness, these are off the chart good HT speakers and at the price point can't be beat. If you are heavily into two channel music then the answer gets a little more complicated as they don't exactly have the look many customers are looking for in a 2 channel system...they are definitely meant to be behind a screen.
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I folded like a cheap Walmart tent in a downpour and upgraded.
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My usage will be 98% films and 2% Blu-ray concert.

Unfortunately, the price point is note exactly the same in Europe, that’s the reason why I asked for your own experience.

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I can vouch for Carp, he's had more speakers than Wilt Chamberlain had one night stands
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I am also an one time owner of these great speakers(with the upgraded CD).

Probably if I could go back and do it over again, I might not have changed them out.

I am very happy with what I currently have, so that is a good thing.
Didn't go as far as Molon....but thought about it for a hot second.
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I have decided to upgrade my LCR with 2453H-SL. Thx to @carp and @notnyt .
I was going to order online but thought I'd ask here if anyone is interested in selling theirs?
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I have decided to upgrade my LCR with 2453H-SL. Thx to @carp and @notnyt .
I was going to order online but thought I'd ask here if anyone is interested in selling theirs?
Nice! I think you will like the better CD. To me it was an obvious difference, especially the closer you are to the speaker.

@notnyt , remind me again on your thoughts on the spacer (wondering if harrisu should mess with it). I did it because if I remember right, at the time you said they measured better with it but you didn't think it was enough to really hear the difference but you figured better safe than sorry? Does that about sum it up or did you ever feel like you could hear a difference? I never tried it without the spacer so that's the only way I've heard it.
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Nice! I think you will like the better CD. To me it was an obvious difference, especially the closer you are to the speaker.

@notnyt , remind me again on your thoughts on the spacer (wondering if harrisu should mess with it). I did it because if I remember right, at the time you said they measured better with it but you didn't think it was enough to really hear the difference but you figured better safe than sorry? Does that about sum it up or did you ever feel like you could hear a difference? I never tried it without the spacer so that's the only way I've heard it.
They measure better with it for sure. Not sure how audible the difference is, but it removes an issue around 12khz.

If anyone needs, I can print a set, just drop me a pm. Otherwise, I think I posted the model and schematic earlier in the thread.
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This thread has ruined me, but maybe in a good way? I have gathered/set aside so much equipment and made many, many more plans because of all the information shared here about these speakers.

I’ll never be able to afford purchasing 4722s outright, so I’ve come up with the closest approximation I can muster by acquiring bits and pieces over a longer timetable. I got lucky and picked up a gaggle of empty horn cabinets with no drivers back in August of 2017 and it has taken until very recently to piece together one working pair of speakers.

Here’s a glimpse of some of what I’ve been able to assemble:



This is ⅓ of what will be my eventual front stage. For HF we’ve got the 2384 waveguide/2432H compression drivers. I bought the horn lenses new and the used CDs came from eBay. The horn loaded midbass cab is a JBL 4560 (was a 4672A cinema cab in a past life) with a single 15” 2225H woofer. The low stuff is handled by a BFM Table Tuba folded horn subwoofer which I recently completed. This basic configuration will be my center channel, just with the 4560 sitting on top of the TT (which will be laid on its side). The L&R will be the same basic configuration, but each paired with a BFM Tuba HT instead.

I busied myself for a while by constructing basically the LF section of a JBL 3110A passive crossover and the HF section of the 4722N passive crossover before scoring a really good deal on an active crossover solution. It is so fun (to me, though other people’s eyes glaze over when I describe it) to be able to dial in exact delays and crossover points for each individual driver now that I’ve gone active with tri-amplification. Each driver/enclosure is able to work in the range that best optimizes the horn loading, which I find insanely cool. After going active I had to read back through this thread and others to figure out that I needed an L-pad (or autoformer) to attenuate the HF horn. I wound up ordering high wattage resistors and building L-pads that attenuate 12 dB to match the sensitivity of the midbass cabs.

As this future front stage stands right now, I’ve got three of the waveguide/compression driver combos, two of the midbass cabs with drivers, and the one TT. Once I build a third midbass cab and construct the Tuba HT enclosures (I already own the drivers) I’ll be that much closer to my goal of all horns, all the time. All I need is more time, more money, and a room to put this trio of behemoths in. I can hardly get far enough away from these things to listen properly in the current bedroom I’m storing them in.
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Nice! I think you will like the better CD. To me it was an obvious difference, especially the closer you are to the speaker.

@notnyt , remind me again on your thoughts on the spacer (wondering if harrisu should mess with it). I did it because if I remember right, at the time you said they measured better with it but you didn't think it was enough to really hear the difference but you figured better safe than sorry? Does that about sum it up or did you ever feel like you could hear a difference? I never tried it without the spacer so that's the only way I've heard it.
carp, clean up your private message box. I couldn't send you email cause its full
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I am moving houses and my next theater space will be a little smaller so these probably are no longer ideal size wise for my future set-up. So it pains me, but I have listed my 3 JBL 4722s for sale in the AVS classifieds in case anybody is interested. They have the upgraded 2453 compression drivers and have been in a dedicated HT room since I bought them.


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I am moving houses and my next theater space will be a little smaller so these probably are no longer ideal size wise for my future set-up. So it pains me, but I have listed my 3 JBL 4722s for sale in the AVS classifieds in case anybody is interested. They have the upgraded 2453 compression drivers and have been in a dedicated HT room since I bought them.


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Do you know what speakers you will use in the new place? Something from DIY soundgroup maybe?
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Do you know what speakers you will use in the new place? Something from DIY soundgroup maybe?
Not really a DIY kind of guy. Not 100% sure on what the future holds for my HT room in the next house. Would consider something like the JBL 708P, JBL SCL 3 or M&K s300. I change my mind every other day as I kick around ideas. Even thinking about moving away from a projector to something like an 85 inch flat panel but not sure if I would be happy going from 130 inch screen to 85. Good news is I have 3 months to make up my mind
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Not really a DIY kind of guy. Not 100% sure on what the future holds for my HT room in the next house. Would consider something like the JBL 708P, JBL SCL 3 or M&K s300. I change my mind every other day as I kick around ideas. Even thinking about moving away from a projector to something like an 85 inch flat panel but not sure if I would be happy going from 130 inch screen to 85. Good news is I have 3 months to make up my mind
Word is there are some 2453 CD DIY speakers in the works . Shouldn't be that hard to get someone to assemble them for you...Or are you interested in moving away from the 2453?
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Reading back through about Beryllium...Found some classic content...

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I'm back I was given a free three day vacation for "bumping" my for sale thread when all I really did was mention one sold so prospective buyers knew I only had two left for sale. Been on AVS over 10 years and never knew how strict they are with the AVS classified rules. Yikes!!!! You live and you learn. Good news is the DSi amps are all sold.
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Then that is BULLLLLOGNA....


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You dirty old man you! I can see your "bumping" victims asking, "are you just happy to see me or is that a 4722 in your pocket?"
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I bumped my ad with comments and stuff. No issues.

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Hey, that's not what it said originally, what happened there?!?!
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I am moving houses and my next theater space will be a little smaller so these probably are no longer ideal size wise for my future set-up. So it pains me, but I have listed my 3 JBL 4722s for sale in the AVS classifieds in case anybody is interested. They have the upgraded 2453 compression drivers and have been in a dedicated HT room since I bought them.


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Dang! If i hadn't spent all my saved up money on the Sony 760ES laser projector, I would buy these in a sec!
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Dang! If i hadn't spent all my saved up money on the Sony 760ES laser projector, I would buy these in a sec!
Me too If I didn't want smaller and 2452 CD...
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Me too If I didn't want smaller and 2452 CD...
I thought the 2453 were the upgraded CD? Is there an even better CD now?
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I thought the 2453 were the upgraded CD? Is there an even better CD now?
The '53 doesn't have replaceable phragms. JP is wanting the 52's so he can toss the Be phragms in it.

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The '53 doesn't have replaceable phragms. JP is wanting the 52's so he can toss the Be phragms in it.
I am confused now... so, which one is the upgraded CD and which one is the original CD?
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I am confused now... so, which one is the upgraded CD and which one is the original CD?
They are both options to upgrade from the stock CD. The '52 you would choose if you had intentions of switching out the stock phragm for a truextent Be variant for an even further upgrade, whereas the '53 is still an upgrade, but changing the phragm is not an option...

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They are both options to upgrade from the stock CD. The '52 you would choose if you had intentions of switching out the stock phragm for a truextent Be variant for an even further upgrade, whereas the '53 is still an upgrade, but changing the phragm is not an option...
Gotcha! So, what would be the price difference between the 2 upgrades and the SQ difference?
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As Beast said...the 2453 is exact same as 2452. The 2452 stock does need upgrade diaphragm to essentially be equal to the 2453 but thats not the point here. The 2453 is $270 and by far best bang for the buck. The 2452 is $425 (not sure why), then the stock diaphragm is removed and replaced with the Truextent BEX4008 Beryllium diaphragm. Rob did major documentation and measurements on this when he provided all of us with the great 2453 info and how to proceed. Currently the BEX4008 is $725 on Speakerex and up from 550 then 6 something in last two years. As that stand we are looking at $270 for the 2453 vs $1150 for the 2452/BEX4008. I do have a call into the metals company 'Materion' who manufactures these Beryllium diaphragms to see if I can buy direct or better price elsewhere.

The DIY option I am going with will be my final speaker change, I am barely motivated enough to do this/Pallet up my JTR 215RT trio and ship, but I am. The CD has been explained, it will have a single JBL 2265HPL woofer, STX825 90x60 coverage horn, running active from a Hypex FA253 plate amp working with Rob to develop the proper DSP settings in the Hypex. I expect cab size to be around 19widex12deepx32tall. This will essentially be a upgraded type 4722 clone in sound. I lose the advantage of the large wave guide/horn, CD will need to be crossed little higher but horizontal dispersion is the same 90 degrees (which was important for me) and won't have the max spl a ported larger dual woofer 4722 has but thats fine as it will still be way more than I need. I do gain the advantage of Beryllium. I have not heard beryllium before so perhaps some risk there, but for me the 2453H-SL was my fav high frequency driver I ever heard or owned. So this theory is to take that exact same sound from the super dynamic 4" CD and ad a little sweetness on the top with the BE phragm. This is the theory, just need to execute now...

Edit: CD price diff (unless I find better) is 270 vs 1150 per and we need that 3x so 810 vs 3450. A little disappointing Speakerex has raised $200 in around 24 months but Materion prob raised prices. This same CD option can be done on the 4722...
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As Beast said...the 2453 is exact same as 2452. The 2452 stock does need upgrade diaphragm to essentially be equal to the 2453 but thats not the point here. The 2453 is $270 and by far best bang for the buck. The 2452 is $425 (not sure why), then the stock diaphragm is removed and replaced with the Truextent BEX4008 Beryllium diaphragm. Rob did major documentation and measurements on this when he provided all of us with the great 2453 info and how to proceed. Currently the BEX4008 is $725 on Speakerex and up from 550 then 6 something in last two years. As that stand we are looking at $270 for the 2453 vs $1150 for the 2452/BEX4008. I do have a call into the metals company 'Materion' who manufactures these Beryllium diaphragms to see if I can buy direct or better price elsewhere.

The DIY option I am going with will be my final speaker change, I am barely motivated enough to do this/Pallet up my JTR 215RT trio and ship, but I am. The CD has been explained, it will have a single JBL 2265HPL woofer, STX825 90x60 coverage horn, running active from a Hypex FA253 plate amp working with Rob to develop the proper DSP settings in the Hypex. I expect cab size to be around 19widex12deepx32tall. This will essentially be a upgraded type 4722 clone in sound. I lose the advantage of the large wave guide/horn, CD will need to be crossed little higher but horizontal dispersion is the same 90 degrees (which was important for me) and won't have the max spl a ported larger dual woofer 4722 has but thats fine as it will still be way more than I need. I do gain the advantage of Beryllium. I have not heard beryllium before so perhaps some risk there, but for me the 2453H-SL was my fav high frequency driver I ever heard or owned. So this theory is to take that exact same sound from the super dynamic 4" CD and ad a little sweetness on the top with the BE phragm. This is the theory, just need to execute now...

Edit: CD price diff (unless I find better) is 270 vs 1150 per and we need that 3x so 810 vs 3450. A little disappointing Speakerex has raised $200 in around 24 months but Materion prob raised prices. This same CD option can be done on the 4722...
The moment you mentioned $1150, is exactly the moment I have decided if i ever get these speakers, it'll be the 2453!
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The moment you mentioned $1150, is exactly the moment I have decided if i ever get these speakers, it'll be the 2453!
Yes, even as I am couple weeks away from buying the parts I admit I am still in internal debate about it. We are talking 3347 (2453) vs 5987 (2452/BEX4008) for price diff of LCR speakers. But how many of us have paid 7k for a LCR JTR setup? Or other setups? The 4722 with upgrades are 5k. Still it's not apples to apples as the two JBL CDs we are talking about here are. I have other things I want to do for my HT such as a NAD T758 Processor(1200), eight total Volt kits (1350) four surround/Atmos and a Hypex DIY amp (2000) for all 8 surround/Atmos speakers. And as it is currently my goal is to accomplish these things without spending new disposable income...But I have sold my JTR's have my amps up for sale and also put my spendy Specialized mountain bike up for sale. Even if I sell other two items with a little discount for bartering room I can still come out 2k ahead WITH beryllium drivers, 5k ahead with 2453. I know lots of variables lol, I have played my hands, let the chips fall where they may
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Has anyone else here went with NAD processor with Dirac? I know they had some bugs at first but thanks to @markus767 I think many of those got worked out
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Yes, even as I am couple weeks away from buying the parts I admit I am still in internal debate about it. We are talking 3347 (2453) vs 5987 (2452/BEX4008) for price diff of LCR speakers. But how many of us have paid 7k for a LCR JTR setup? Or other setups? The 4722 with upgrades are 5k. Still it's not apples to apples as the two JBL CDs we are talking about here are. I have other things I want to do for my HT such as a NAD T758 Processor(1200), eight total Volt kits (1350) four surround/Atmos and a Hypex DIY amp (2000) for all 8 surround/Atmos speakers. And as it is currently my goal is to accomplish these things without spending new disposable income...But I have sold my JTR's have my amps up for sale and also put my spendy Specialized mountain bike up for sale. Even if I sell other two items with a little discount for bartering room I can still come out 2k ahead WITH beryllium drivers, 5k ahead with 2453. I know lots of variables lol, I have played my hands, let the chips fall where they may
You're right... relatively speaking, they are STILL cheaper than the JTRs...

I would love to hear your review once you get all that set up...
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Has anyone else here went with NAD processor with Dirac? I know they had some bugs at first but thanks to @markus767 I think many of those got worked out
Didn't go NAD but I have dirac now with my Lex and it's awesome. First time I've ever actually liked room EQ enough to leave it on 100% of the time...

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