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Who all here has the 8350 surround? There is a quad set 3hrs south of me and I need to go to Sac anyway to drop a couple drivers and possibly theater seating. I had planned on Volts...I do like that I can make Volts whichever dimension I so choose.
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Isn't the control 328 the same thing as an SCS 8 just without a box? Thought I remember reading this. Specs are similar but not exact on JBL pro website. 328 says it's a 1" CD, SCS8 says it's a 1" high temperature diaphragm with fluid cooling.
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Yes they are the same. If you don't want to build, go with either, if you do want to build the volts or concentric 8's will suffice. As to which are better, that'll be up to you.
The 8350s are awesome, what are you on about?
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Yes they are the same. If you don't want to build, go with either, if you do want to build the volts or concentric 8's will suffice. As to which are better, that'll be up to you.
I want to be able to build my own so I liked the 328, I can prob get good pricing on them. So even though JBL Pro website has different wording and slightly diff specs you say its same HF and LF drivers?
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The 8350s are awesome, what are you on about?
I read 8330 in my rushed state and posted without paying enough attention. I like the 8350's, but FWIW I feel the scs8's for a full surround system will still be better.

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I read 8330 in my rushed state and posted without paying enough attention. I like the 8350's, but FWIW I feel the scs8's for a full surround system will still be better.
Do you mean scs8 for the surround speakers and the atmos or just surrounds?

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Do you mean scs8 for the surround speakers and the atmos or just surrounds?

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Yes, or just as well do 328c's for the ceiling if you are going for some WAF factor.

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Yes, or just as well do 328c's for the ceiling if you are going for some WAF factor.
I have looked at the 328c and back can. They want you to tie off the can. I live in the south and we don’t ha ve basements, but we have bonus rooms which is what I have. The crawl space is to small to get in there and do some work, but I catn fish cables through which what I did I put my projector up. The scs 8 I could mount on the ceiling and get the speaker wire to them. I could mount the 328c too I think but not tie the can off. I was thinking about making some wooden rings to mount around the hole cut then screw the cans in to them. I guess the one thing about the scs8 is you can aim them.
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I read 8330 in my rushed state and posted without paying enough attention. I like the 8350's, but FWIW I feel the scs8's for a full surround system will still be better.
have read the 8320, which have same form factor as 8350, are not as hot a performer.
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have read the 8320, which have same form factor as 8350, are not as hot a performer.
They're not the same form factor. The 8320s are a good deal smaller.

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Huh? Maybe your part of GA, but around me, about half the homes have basements. I have two basements because of the slope I'm on.
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Huh? Maybe your part of GA, but around me, about half the homes have basements. I have two basements because of the slope I'm on.
Haha, I was gonna say, every house on my street...every single one including mine has a basement. That's neither here nor there tho pertaining to the discussion, if he can get the 328c's to work, they are great, if not the scs8's will do. Gotta run wire one way or another.

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Huh? Maybe your part of GA, but around me, about half the homes have basements. I have two basements because of the slope I'm on.
Down here in Savannah you want find many basements, I should have been clearer.
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Yes, or just as well do 328c's for the ceiling if you are going for some WAF factor.
I have scs8 for surrounds and also for ceiling. They produce great surround and atmos sound. My issue is that they take a lot of space specially when it comes to surround area. My room is 12' wide and after having 3 seats next to each other, I'm left with enough space on each side just to walk by. After placing scs8 as surround, I have to walk side ways to get by . Really annoying. Any suggestion on what I can use instead of scs8 to match with my 4722N as L/C/R? A wall mount speaker that's a good fit for 4722N would be great.

As for atmos, I have them all pointing at MLP. After mounting, they take extra 8" off from ceiling because of their height + mount. Ceiling in my room is 8' high but i have a 6" riser which reduces the height even more. Plus side of scs8 is that it can be aimed. With 328, we'll get extra 8" back since its mounted on ceiling but it can't be aimed at MLP afaik.
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I can mount the 328c I was just wandering by being able to aim the scs8 would it give you the better atmos experience since a lot of people talk about being able to aim their speakers they install in the ceiling.
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I have scs8 for surrounds and also for ceiling. They produce great surround and atmos sound. My issue is that they take a lot of space specially when it comes to surround area. My room is 12' wide and after having 3 seats next to each other, I'm left with enough space on each side just to walk by. After placing scs8 as surround, I have to walk side ways to get by . Really annoying. Any suggestion on what I can use instead of scs8 to match with my 4722N as L/C/R? A wall mount speaker that's a good fit for 4722N would be great.

As for atmos, I have them all pointing at MLP. After mounting, they take extra 8" off from ceiling because of their height + mount. Ceiling in my room is 8' high but i have a 6" riser which reduces the height even more. Plus side of scs8 is that it can be aimed. With 328, we'll get extra 8" back since its mounted on ceiling but it can't be aimed at MLP afaik.
Take a gander at my build thread in my signature. Our rooms are very similar. 12' wide, three seat rows, and I actually have just 7.5ft drop ceiling. You can see how I took sine depth off my side surrounds by insetting them into the wall which gave me with sheetrock another 4" of literal "Wiggle room" when walking beside the seats. as far as other in-wall options out there, your options for something that will keep up the 4722's are pretty limited unless you DIY like I did. If you can inset the scs8 into the sheetrock and gain 4" back then that might be the route I'd take honestly.

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yes by aiming the scs8's you will get a better experience for sure. If you can do it and are ok with how they will be installed/WAF factor then I'd say go for it.

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That what I wanted to know thanks. In that room I don’t have a WAF factor, the rest of the house, yes.
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I have looked at the 328c and back can. They want you to tie off the can. I live in the south and we don’t ha ve basements, but we have bonus rooms which is what I have. The crawl space is to small to get in there and do some work, but I catn fish cables through which what I did I put my projector up. The scs 8 I could mount on the ceiling and get the speaker wire to them. I could mount the 328c too I think but not tie the can off. I was thinking about making some wooden rings to mount around the hole cut then screw the cans in to them. I guess the one thing about the scs8 is you can aim them.
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Yes and I have thought about this quite a bit. If you look at JBL demo rooms they have done they seem to always have speakers aiming. Do I like the idea of flush and clean? Yea I really actually do and may still do it as my seating will always be small. Ive had a single row of seating for last couple years, never would have more than two. So with a 7.2.4 system I think flush mount with 120 dispersion would be fine. But research would ultimately tell.
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They're not the same form factor. The 8320s are a good deal smaller.

8320: 16 in x 13.5 in x 8.8 in
8" woofer + dome tweeter with 3khz xover 93dbspl sens 1/2 space

8350: 18 in x 18 in x 10.25 in
10" woofer + compression driver with 1.4khz xover 99dbspl sens 1/2 space

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Exactly, I just meant same physical shape and look. But not as hot as performer as not even close to same speaker by the specs you list.
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I have scs8 for surrounds and also for ceiling. They produce great surround and atmos sound. My issue is that they take a lot of space specially when it comes to surround area. My room is 12' wide and after having 3 seats next to each other, I'm left with enough space on each side just to walk by. After placing scs8 as surround, I have to walk side ways to get by . Really annoying. Any suggestion on what I can use instead of scs8 to match with my 4722N as L/C/R? A wall mount speaker that's a good fit for 4722N would be great.

As for atmos, I have them all pointing at MLP. After mounting, they take extra 8" off from ceiling because of their height + mount. Ceiling in my room is 8' high but i have a 6" riser which reduces the height even more. Plus side of scs8 is that it can be aimed. With 328, we'll get extra 8" back since its mounted on ceiling but it can't be aimed at MLP afaik.
My exact reason for bringing this up. I had two ideas. What about rebuilding the SCS 8 box to slimmer and mounting closer to ceiling? Essentially treating it like a DIYSG Volt speaker that I think you can get to I think 6-7" slim?

Can the 328c be built into a box so one can aim it or has JBL meant it to be as it mounted into a ceiling or wall?
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If you can inset the scs8 into the sheetrock and gain 4" back then that might be the route I'd take honestly.
Ah just read this after respondings, yea that wouldn't look too bad if one made a good finish look to it, and can still aim. Was my only beef with SCS 8 was the depth of speaker plus mounting bracket added depth. But if it matches JBL sound better than a Volt thats enough for me...
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Take a gander at my build thread in my signature. Our rooms are very similar. 12' wide, three seat rows, and I actually have just 7.5ft drop ceiling. You can see how I took sine depth off my side surrounds by insetting them into the wall which gave me with sheetrock another 4" of literal "Wiggle room" when walking beside the seats. as far as other in-wall options out there, your options for something that will keep up the 4722's are pretty limited unless you DIY like I did. If you can inset the scs8 into the sheetrock and gain 4" back then that might be the route I'd take honestly.

Good idea. Issue is that the HT is in the basement and I have a concrete wall behind right side of sheetrock. measuring it came out to 2 1/2" from outer side of sheetrock. Still better than sticking it out all the way though but if could be pushed like 6" in, would have been much better.
Hmmm DIY. I have done some subs DIY. If the DIY is not too hard, I might be able to do it.

yes by aiming the scs8's you will get a better experience for sure. If you can do it and are ok with how they will be installed/WAF factor then I'd say go for it.
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Ah just read this after respondings, yea that wouldn't look too bad if one made a good finish look to it, and can still aim. Was my only beef with SCS 8 was the depth of speaker plus mounting bracket added depth. But if it matches JBL sound better than a Volt thats enough for me...
My ceiling has a lot more space. I can push them in to the point where only the grill area is visible but it won't be that easy since we'd have to make it point to MLP. In this case, the cut out has to be the length of the speaker so that it sticks out of ceiling. Hmmm that'd be a big cut out.
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My exact reason for bringing this up. I had two ideas. What about rebuilding the SCS 8 box to slimmer and mounting closer to ceiling? Essentially treating it like a DIYSG Volt speaker that I think you can get to I think 6-7" slim?

Can the 328c be built into a box so one can aim it or has JBL meant it to be as it mounted into a ceiling or wall?
The 328c comes with it's own backer box IIRC. Not sure how modify-able it would be but with and/or the scs8, provided you keep the volume the same, making your own box would be feasible I guess. Having a different shape baffle on the scs8 would create a slight issue with baffle step correction but for surround duty that problem would be extremely small.

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My ceiling has a lot more space. I can push them in to the point where only the grill area is visible but it won't be that easy since we'd have to make it point to MLP. In this case, the cut out has to be the length of the speaker so that it sticks out of ceiling. Hmmm that'd be a big cut out.
No biggie, sheetrock is replaceable
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I have an idea with the backing can for the 328c. I think I saw some volts done kinda like this. Make you a mount to go on the backside of the sheet rock. Cut it in half and slide threw the hole to the backside of the sheet rock. Then glue and clamp into place. Then you slide the can up into the hole and on the other ring drill pilots holes through the ring to mount it in place. Then you would mount the speaker to the can as you normally do.
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Would these offer any better fitment options? https://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachments/JBL_AC18_26-082016.pdf
I use the 28/26 as side surrounds.
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I use the 28/26 as side surrounds.
The 28/26 looks like it could be used as a main speaker, have you ever tried that?
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I did sort of, but not in the theater. I used three of 18/95's for my family room before I got the 708i's. They really are excellent, neutral speakers and can take a ton of power.
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I did sort of, but not in the theater. I used three of 18/95's for my family room before I got the 708i's. They really are excellent, neutral speakers and can take a ton of power.
To keep you from maybe repeating yourself do you have any information for your thoughts on the 708i as theater speakers. I like what everybody says about the 4722 but don’t know if I want that big of a speaker in my room. I have come close to buying a 4722 to put in as a center channel to just try one out.
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I use the 28/26 as side surrounds.
Looks nice but needing 8 cost climbs quickly

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To keep you from maybe repeating yourself do you have any information for your thoughts on the 708i as theater speakers. I like what everybody says about the 4722 but don’t know if I want that big of a speaker in my room. I have come close to buying a 4722 to put in as a center channel to just try one out.
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Is DIY out of the picture?
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