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Hey I live where they are selling these, do you think they are good as the 4722n?
Yes sir I do think are comparable. Midrange might actually be better with these. If you live near Atlanta I would jump on a pair of these. They are a steal at $1400 per pair.
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Look on film tech forum. It's the forum the cinema installers and handlers use. I know the 4722 is well accepted but I remember reading a few times that many jbl models aren't very smooth.. I'm thinking one may have been the 4670. The majority of those guys have long ago jumped the jbl ship for qsc, but still hold a few jbls up high. Those guys know so much about these speakers it's crazy. And they install in screening room too. A few even have huge qsc setups a home.
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Look on film tech forum. It's the forum the cinema installers and handlers use. I know the 4722 is well accepted but I remember reading a few times that many jbl models aren't very smooth.. I'm thinking one may have been the 4670. The majority of those guys have long ago jumped the jbl ship for qsc, but still hold a few jbls up high. Those guys know so much about these speakers it's crazy. And they install in screening room too. A few even have huge qsc setups a home.

It's funny you bring up QSC. They hardly get mentioned on AVS but have received a few PMs that have recommended them. One specific somebody mentioned to me is the QSC sc-2150. Might have to gander over at the film tech forum for myself
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DD, I'm really enjoying reading your impressions of you new speakers, I know you've been on a long journey to find something you really like. I've heard a ton of speakers but never the 4722n's or the M2's, both are speakers I really want to hear sometime.

I think eventually I might order a pair of 4722n's and compare them in my room to my speakers and sell the one I like the least. That's never going to be an option for the M2's.
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It's funny you bring up QSC. They hardly get mentioned on AVS but have received a few PMs that have recommended them. One specific somebody mentioned to me is the QSC sc-2150. Might have to gander over at the film tech forum for myself
Look at post 3 for a description of the 4670 you mentioned.

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f16/t001857.html

Yea it is pretty funny. And if you say the word crown.... You may have well said bose over here, they seriously dislike crown. At one time crown and jbl were king. But things changed when qsc started to outperform them. Qsc is considered to be the Cadillac of cinema speakers over there with great vocals, easier to tune and overall sound of course a few jbl models are still well liked. . I've spent lots of time over there since I went from jbl and now have 3 qsc 2150 and dca 1644 4 channel amp. Personally I like qsc and jbl. You'll have a hard time finding anything that will be much of an upgrade over the 4722 . I'm sure you're room is treated etc, if not Any real upgrades will be there.

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I've been reading extensively at the audio heritage and filmtech forums. I also check the classifieds at Filmtech forum everyday. The amount of info available at both websites is astounding.

I feel like a kid all over again in a new environment. It's awesome! Cinema speakers are a whole new world of dynamics with clarity for which I will continue to earnestly seek knowledge. I'm never going back to home or PA speakers again.

Now the only question is how much can my pocketbook handle and how much knowledge can my brain digest. The next step for me learning how to use active crossovers. After that, I want to experiment with a cinema speaker with a large midhorn.

So many guys rave about the sound quality of various QSC cinema speakers at filmtech so I know I will not be able to rest until I hear a pair for myself.

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I like QSC, I never heard the cinema speakers but I have heard the K-10's. I like my JBL MR-825's better overall but the QSC has a nice relaxed sound as well. The QSC with a 15 might be a differen story but I like my DIY JBL's better than all so far.
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Look at post 3 for a description of the 4670 you mentioned.

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f16/t001857.html

Yea it is pretty funny. And if you say the word crown.... You may have well said bose over here, they seriously dislike crown. At one time crown and jbl were king. But things changed when qsc started to outperform them. Qsc is considered to be the Cadillac of cinema speakers over there with great vocals, easier to tune and overall sound of course a few jbl models are still well liked. . I've spent lots of time over there since I went from jbl and now have 3 qsc 2150 and dca 1644 4 channel amp. Personally I like qsc and jbl. You'll have a hard time finding anything that will be much of an upgrade over the 4722 . I'm sure you're room is treated etc, if not Any real upgrades will be there.
Thanks for info and link. I will have to go over there and read up.
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I've been reading extensively at the audio heritage and filmtech forums. I also check the classifieds at Filmtech forum everyday. The amount of info available at both websites is astounding.

I feel like a kid all over again in a new environment. It's awesome! Cinema speakers are a whole new world of dynamics with clarity for which I will continue to earnestly seek knowledge. I'm never going back to home or PA speakers again.

Now the only question is how much can my pocketbook handle and how much knowledge can my brain digest. The next step for me learning how to use active crossovers. After that, I want to experiment with a cinema speaker with a large midhorn.

So many guys rave about the sound quality of various QSC cinema speakers at filmtech so I know I will not be able to rest until I hear a pair for myself.
QSC speakers sound very nice. I feel they are every bit as good as the JBL speakers, but they seem to cost a little bit more. The local Carmike BigD has them and they were very impressive.
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thanks for info and link. I will have to go over there and read up.
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I see you also made your way over to the classifieds...confessions of a speaker flipper
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I see you also made your way over to the classifieds...confessions of a speaker flipper
I am always "browsing" the audio classifieds.....never know what might pop up.
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I have the JBL 3677 have arrived thread which had a few years ago. I loved them but the room in my Avatar was just too small for them. We sold that house in August and are currently building with and the theater in this one will have get the benefit of everything I've learned over the last 15 years.

So I began around September looking for deals on the the new theater, I planned on more 3677 or 4722, I'm not a JBL 8340a or 8330a fan (owned both) so I was and have gone Volt 10s for surrounds, it's not like the JBL surrrounds are timbre matched to the mains so no biggie. While searching I found 5 brand new QSC 2150 Digital Cinema speakers still sealed in the boxes on Ebay from a large storage buyout, I got them down to $440 each. I couldn't pass that up as they retail for $1200 each. I sold two and kept 3. The woofers don't have quite the midbass of the JBL, but close. Once in the baffle wall (they way they are intended) they should be equal of maybe more.

The mids and detail projection is insane and I still haven't heard them properly set up in a proper room.


I even have a new demo because of them. For those interested I'll share.

I was testing out the hiss on my Crown XLS amps vs the QSC 1644 on high sensitivity speakers which the 2150s are 101db.. (QSC DCA dominates the Crown XLS BTW) switching between amps and just happened to have Dumb and Dumber playing. The part with the guys in the "love motel" sitting in the hot tub was on. What caught my attention was the bubbles, and water... it consumed the room like a real hot tub was in the room, I was surrounded by water IN FREAKING TWO CHANNEL.. NO SURROUNDS.. I was thinking .. WOW.. this is new... So I quickly hooked my Paradigms up... nothing... the bubble and water jet detail was barely there, and didn't bring attention to itself, the Volt 10s did better than the Paradigms but not close to the QSC. So now I have a new test with that scene... detail projection I call it .
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I have the JBL 3677 have arrived thread which had a few years ago. I loved them but the room in my Avatar was just too small for them. We sold that house in August and are currently building with and the theater in this one will have get the benefit of everything I've learned over the last 15 years.

So I began around September looking for deals on the the new theater, I planned on more 3677 or 4722, I'm not a JBL 8340a or 8330a fan (owned both) so I was and have gone Volt 10s for surrounds, it's not like the JBL surrrounds are timbre matched to the mains so no biggie. While searching I found 5 brand new QSC 2150 Digital Cinema speakers still sealed in the boxes on Ebay from a large storage buyout, I got them down to $440 each. I couldn't pass that up as they retail for $1200 each. I sold two and kept 3. The woofers don't have quite the midbass of the JBL, but close. Once in the baffle wall (they way they are intended) they should be equal of maybe more.

The mids and detail projection is insane and I still haven't heard them properly set up in a proper room.


I even have a new demo because of them. For those interested I'll share.

I was testing out the hiss on my Crown XLS amps vs the QSC 1644 on high sensitivity speakers which the 2150s are 101db.. (QSC DCA dominates the Crown XLS BTW) switching between amps and just happened to have Dumb and Dumber playing. The part with the guys in the "love motel" sitting in the hot tub was on. What caught my attention was the bubbles, and water... it consumed the room like a real hot tub was in the room, I was surrounded by water IN FREAKING TWO CHANNEL.. NO SURROUNDS.. I was thinking .. WOW.. this is new... So I quickly hooked my Paradigms up... nothing... the bubble and water jet detail was barely there, and didn't bring attention to itself, the Volt 10s did better than the Paradigms but not close to the QSC. So now I have a new test with that scene... detail projection I call it .
Sweet deal on the QSC..WOW!!!!!
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Great price except now you are comparing JBL's entry to QSC's mid level. The 2035 is a great driver but the HF section on the 3677 is OK compared to the better ones. I just put together this JBL speaker for $500 and that was buying a flatpack for the 15, it would have been around $400 otherwise and it has been the best musical speaker I have owned. Everyone says their brand is better for whatever reason but you can find negatives about any speaker too. I can one thing is that the baffle wall is one awesome place to start! I love the wall and even without toe in on the mains the 2 channel soundstage is enormous.

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Great price except now you are comparing JBL's entry to QSC's mid level. The 2035 is a great driver but the HF section on the 3677 is OK compared to the better ones. I just put together this JBL speaker for $500 and that was buying a flatpack for the 15, it would have been around $400 otherwise and it has been the best musical speaker I have owned. Everyone says their brand is better for whatever reason but you can find negatives about any speaker too. I can one thing is that the baffle wall is one awesome place to start! I love the wall and even without toe in on the mains the 2 channel soundstage is enormous.
Yea the QSC 2150 is more a competitor to the JBL 4722 not the 3677. Although the 3677 is no slouch but no doubt the larger horns have benefits and extend much lower.

wasn't really comparing the 3677 at all in my post above, I hope it didn't come across that way, as you know i'm not into "my brand is better", I've tried to like many speakers but I critique everything and tell it like I hear it good and bad as I did with the Pro-10, 8340a, 8330a, Klipsch, JBLs etc. I never tried the 3677 in 2 channel like that, I'm sure they would have performed very well in my little test described on projecting detail (they have a very big sound stage), Again... I love the 3677, it's a great speaker one of the top 2 of many I've owned, it destroys consumer stuff like nobody's business, I really can't think of anything I'd label a fault with them... but tons of strengths. As I said, I'm a JBL and QSC fan.
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Looks like my U215s sold last night (awaiting payment) so I might be joining the 4722 club here soon
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Looks like my U215s sold last night (awaiting payment) so I might be joining the 4722 club here soon
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+1, especially comparison between JTR Noesis 212, Yorkville U215 & JBL 4722N
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Looks like my U215s sold last night (awaiting payment) so I might be joining the 4722 club here soon
I'm definitely jealous. I've had my Yorkville U215s for sale for over two months now. All I get is craigslist scammers offering the same paypal spiel over and over again. Guess you got the magic touch. Ha.ha.

Look forward to you joining the JBL family. And I defnitely can't wait to hear how the JBL 4722n compared to your JTR 212s. Should be lots of fun.

The 4722n beats the Yorkville hands down in terms of HF and midrange clarity, room coverage, and midbass. Now we just need to know where the 4722n stands in the upper echelon hiearchy compared to other offerings from JTR, Danley, and Seaton.

However in terms of price range, the fair comparison would be a pair of JBL 5732 compared to say a JTR 215.

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Watched two movies with the JBLs last night. Dialogue at the lowest volume levels around 75db was clear and easily discernable. I've never heard such clarity with dialogue at such a low volume level. Felt as if someone was whispering the dialogue directly into my ears on the couch. When I laid on the volume abit up to 110db the dialogue easily enveloped the entire condo. You can hear words uber clear no matter if I was two rooms down, in the backyard, or upstairs in the kitchen.

Dynamics with cinema speakers are unreal. I feel like I'm in the middle of an IMAX once these speakers get over 100db. I can feel the midbass in my chest at higher volume levels and it shakes my couch, walls, floorboards, pipes, dishes upstairs etc. With them breaking in the midbass is becoming even more immense.

Bass in full range mode is now overwhelming so I put them on a 40hz crossover which sounds great. Bass is tight and deep. I paired them with a single SI 24 for the second movie and they sound astounding together. Good highs and smooth lows which can easily crush a large room or gently massage it with waves of tight, low bass.

I'm very impressed with these speakers thus far. Now I'm wondering what an upgrade with the CD would do as expressed in the aforementioned post by Kingpin. I believe this speaker has the large 3" titanium diaphragm. So would the next step up be the 4" premium CD contained in the 5732? Or would that not fit the horn for the 4722n?

I can now see why some people state once you hear large cinema speakers in a home environment, other speakers sound like toys. The soundstage, midbass, and razor sharp dialogue is something I've never experienced with any home speaker or PA speaker. I'm never going back to any non-cinema speaker again that is for sure.
I have one question. How are you able to get away with 110DB in a condo?
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I only share one wall with a neighbor which is a bedroom wall on the side of my condo far from the living room. We worked it out to where he works nights 5pm to 1am. I work days 10am to 6:30pm. He has three large pitbulls in his condo who have a continuous track meet from 5am to 5pm.

Any other neighbor would have reported him a million times over but Ive been very patient. He has free reign for his dogs to run wild during the day while I work and I have free reign to release the audio beasts at night while he is at work. You could say we have a symbiotic relationship.

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I am using 4 JBL 8340A Cinema Surrounds as Atmos ceiling mounted height speakers and have been very impressed with the SQ. The play down to 40 Hz (mine are set @60Hz) and so are excellent for the new Atmos object based surround formats. This is frequency range is important as Atmos sends more than just ambient noise to the surrounds/heights.

Of course, these would be excellent as side/back surrounds as well.
I am using the 8340's for side surround and four of them for Atmos.
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I only share one wall with a neighbor which is a bedroom wall on the side of my condo far from the living room. We worked it out to where he works nights 5pm to 1am. I work days 10am to 6:30pm. He has three large pitbulls in his condo who have a continuous track meet from 5am to 5pm.

Any other neighbor would have reported him a million times over but Ive been very patient. He has free reign for his dogs to run wild during the day while I work and I have free reign to release the audio beasts at night while he is at work. You could say we have a symbiotic relationship.
I had wondered the same thing earlier in the thread when I saw you mention condo...5 channel full range music...and JBL 4722N. I thought wow, his neighbors must hate him, be hard of hearing or both. Sounds like a great arrangement.
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I bet the JBL LSR 308 would blend in great with these speakers. However they are only rated with a max output of 112db. If only they could get a bit louder to keep up without compressing.
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