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Don't overlook the SCS 12. Rated down to 55hz and has a 100 x 100 dispersion pattern. They would make very nice surrounds with SCS 8 pulling celling duties.
I am awaiting quotes for all 6 models. Erik confirmed today via email he is waiting to hear back from JBL rep on pricing.
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Yes the two look very similar (the 4722 and 4622) but two very different speakers. The 4622 has a m115-8a woofer (black woofer). It's a cheap woofer used in the JRX line. It also has a much higher crossover at 1300hz. IMO the 3677 would be a step up from the 4622 based solely on the fact the 3677 has a much better woofer and both are handling lots of vocals with the higher crossover. The 4722 of course would be the top dog in the line.
That's not correct. You are thinking of the 3622, which uses the M115. The 4622 is just an earlier version of the 4722...some would say with better components (more $$). 4622 uses the 2035 woofer and the 4230h CD. Same horn.
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I am awaiting quotes for all 6 models. Erik confirmed today via email he is waiting to hear back from JBL rep on pricing.
Was going to call Eric to ask for the price for scs12. Please let me know once you got the quotes on all these speakers.
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Yes the two look very similar (the 4722 and 4622) but two very different speakers. The 4622 has a m115-8a woofer (black woofer). It's a cheap woofer used in the JRX line. It also has a much higher crossover at 1300hz. IMO the 3677 would be a step up from the 4622 based solely on the fact the 3677 has a much better woofer and both are handling lots of vocals with the higher crossover. The 4722 of course would be the top dog in the line.
That's not correct. You are thinking of the 3622, which uses the M115. The 4622 is just an earlier version of the 4722...some would say with better components. 4622 uses the 2035 woofer and the 4230h CD. Same horn.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/4622.pdf
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That's not correct. You are thinking of the 3622, which uses the M115. The 4622 is just an earlier version of the 4722...some would say with better components (more $$). 4622 uses the 2035 woofer and the 4230h CD. Same horn.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/4622.pdf
Yep you are correct. The one with black woofers (m115-8a) would be the 3622. My bad!
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That's not correct. You are thinking of the 3622, which uses the M115. The 4622 is just an earlier version of the 4722...some would say with better components (more $$). 4622 uses the 2035 woofer and the 4230h CD. Same horn.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/4622.pdf
I am confused then. Why do Coach, Frolich and others have black woofers? A valid curious question right ?

Do they have 4622's?

@frolich does your speaker say a model number on it?
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I am confused then. Why do Coach, Frolich and others have black woofers? A valid curious question right ?

Do they have 4622's?

@frolich does your speaker say a model number on it?
We all have the 4722(N). The 4622, I assume, has been out of production for a while. There is also the 4722 (with no "N") which does not have the crossover which is what the "N" (network) represents in the model number we have.
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Was going to call Eric to ask for the price for scs12. Please let me know once you got the quotes on all these speakers.
will do
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We all have the 4722(N). The 4622, I assume, has been out of production for a while. There is also the 4722 (with no "N") which does not have the crossover which is the "N" (network) in the model number we have.
Yea I know that. I was just curious why different colored woofers on some and if they were the same woofer. Surely not a big deal, just a small curiosity
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We all have the 4722(N). The 4622, I assume, has been out of production for a while. There is also the 4722 (with no "N") which does not have the crossover which is what the "N" (network) represents in the model number we have.
If your woofers are black you'd have the 3622 with the m115-8a (which i've owned). The 4622 is a different animal driver and crossover wise. The 2035 used in the 4622 is light grey, same driver used in the 3677, Which i've also owned.

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/cinema/2way_scrn_ary.htm

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grey= 4622 or 4722
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If your woofers are black you'd have the 3622 with the m115-8a. The 4622 is a different animal driver and crossover wise.

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/cinema/2way_scrn_ary.htm
I definitely have the 4722N...says so on the box and everything My woofers are black. Coach auditioned at my house and saw them and ordered the exact same speaker and his look the same. I will be at his house next weekend and can verify in person. You can see for yourself:

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I definitely have the 4722N...says so on the box and everything My woofers are black. Coach auditioned at my house and saw them and ordered the exact same speaker and his look the same. I will be at his house next weekend and can verify in person. You can see for yourself:

I'd open them and check that woofer. That's like saying there's a black 2226 driver. Which to my knowledge there never has been but anything is possible, maybe they changed the cone paper on the driver. Google searches all show a light grey woofer, pics, JBL specs, sales.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...n#.VdYnjY5VjCc
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I'd open them and check that woofer. That's like saying there's a black 2226 driver. Which to my knowledge there never has been but anything is possible, maybe they changed the cone paper on the driver. Google searches all show a light grey woofer, pics, JBL specs, sales.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...n#.VdYnjY5VjCc
????? Ok, I am lost. There is a picture of the woofer in my post.....the woofers are black...when you quoted my post the picture is also in your post. What is left to check? Or do you mean literally open the LF box and look at the back of the woofer for a model number???

If it helps solve the mystery at all. The LF box says model "4739" on it. That is also what is quoted on the JBL pro site for this speaker:

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...n#.VdYp9vlViko

4739 Low Frequency 2 x 26SH-1 380 mm (15 in) dia.,
76 mm (3 in) edgewound ribbon
voice coil transducers mounted
in 4509 LF enclosure

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My 4722s are black woofers
Well I guess they changed color during production. No biggie just makes it look like the old 3622 and is kinda confusing as the woofer color is what some of use to spot the older ones.
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Well I guess they changed color during production. No biggie just makes it look like the old 3622 and is kinda confusing as the woofer color is what some of use to spot the older ones.
They are 15 inches...I think black is the most logical color
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They are 15 inches...I think black is the most logical color
I agree. My 2150s are black.. but once they're behind the screen you can't see them...kinda sad... I'm thinking of taking a pic of my front 3 and making it my projector screen saver or start up screen...that way I'd remember what the beast back there look like.

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4739 Low Frequency 2 x 26SH-1 380 mm (15 in) dia.,
76 mm (3 in) edgewound ribbon
voice coil transducers mounted
in 4509 LF enclosure[/QUOTE]

That is a misprint in the 4722 spec sheet.
26SH-1 should say 265H-1 or 265H-2
Also they have a 2 inch VC not 3 inch
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They are all different woofers, no 2226's drivers.

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Awesome! I originally asked because I like the black look better! I'm stoked! I was told my order did get squeezed in before JBL ran out and I should get tracking numbers today. Maybe I will see them tomm

Sold a Springfield pistol so I am going to order other two Crown amps...
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I have had the pleasure of owning the m115, 2032, 2035, 2225, and 2226. The 4722 has the 265 woofer and I never heard it.

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I have had the pleasure of owning the m115, 2032, 2035, 2225, and 2226. The 4722 has the 265 woofer and I never heard it.
4739 Low Frequency 2 x 26SH-1 380 mm (15 in) dia.,
76 mm (3 in) edgewound ribbon
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You mean 26sh?
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like parapet mentioned, it is 265
the cone color may have been changed when jbl moved manufacturing from northridge to mexico.
not sure what the difference is between the -1 and -2 as they appear to use the same recone assembly.
also looks like the old 265's may have been corrugated whereas the new cones are not?


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like parapet mentioned, it is 265
the cone color may have been changed when jbl moved manufacturing from northridge to mexico.
not sure what the difference is between the -1 and -2 as they appear to use the same recone assembly.
also looks like the old 265's may have been corrugated whereas the new cones are not?


old 4739
I can confirm that on my JBL 4722N with the black woofers, they are not corrugated. It is a smooth texture.
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The 265 is a budget neo speaker used in the MRX and similar lines. Sort of middle of the road component.
The budget JRX line uses the M115.
The upper tier SRX line uses the 2265 (also a neo transducer).
Finally, the STX line still uses the venerable 2226.
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among other things, the corrugations or 'ribs' or whatever folks want to call them are there to reduce the modes that develop on the cone itself. scanspeak puts slits on some of its cones for the same purpose. depending on the geometry of the cone, some weird effects can occur. for example, imagine the cone cut like a pizza into four slices. at some frequency, two of those slices (opposite sides from each other) can be moving toward the listener while the other two are moving away, even though in theory the entire cone should be acting like a piston moving 100% back and forth. this resonance appears like a little sideways S in the frequency response and a little blip in the impedance sweep. those little things can all ad up to reduce the transparency/clarity/whatever term you want to kick in there. doesn't sound like the smooth cones are creating any problems though, so while interesting to know, this feature may not be impacting performance.

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If you push the 2226 to that point congrats....

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like parapet mentioned, it is 265
the cone color may have been changed when jbl moved manufacturing from northridge to mexico.
not sure what the difference is between the -1 and -2 as they appear to use the same recone assembly.
also looks like the old 265's may have been corrugated whereas the new cones are not?

Prices of the 2226 nearly doubled with the move, must be due to the higher labor wages in Mexico as compared to California.
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Awesome! I originally asked because I like the black look better! I'm stoked! I was told my order did get squeezed in before JBL ran out and I should get tracking numbers today. Maybe I will see them tomm

Sold a Springfield pistol so I am going to order other two Crown amps...
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Prices of the 2226 nearly doubled with the move, must be due to the higher labor wages in Mexico as compared to California.
I spoke to a guy from JBL about that, and they decided that since their woofers were so good, and they had patents and intellectual property involved in the development and manufacture it was a smart move to raise the price.

The thinking was by making a good driver more expensive, it promotes additional value in their MFG made products. That was actually the goal of the change.

That is why if you try to DIY a 4722 you really don't save much. Considering the research, design and measurement acumen of JBL, it's basically not worth it.

I'm still going to do it, but I am not normal.

That parts prices were set up in a way so they basically come close to about what the products they use cost, it was intentional. The goal of JBL was not to sell parts. They spent a lot of time and effort designing products and making them easier to manufacture, so that's the primary business.

When I DIY a 4722 clone I want to do it sealed (baffle wall, no need for BSC circuits) and I want to use a top end that's smoother/more extended. That's really the only two reasons I would see in even trying to DIY it. Otherwise just buy it and be done.

I am with you, it sucks that 2226 is $505 each now.

You can get used ones or recones really cheap ($150?) and they measured ok for me.
I still liked the TD15 better if you consider the midrange.

If only wanted midbass, make it big, port it, and the 2226 just romps like king kong. It's also a driver you can pound on and it only sounds better. Kind of like those guitar cabs where they break up in a nice way, adding to the experience. 2226 can take a serious beating without sounding terrible.

The woofers in the 4722 are a small step down from the 2226, but basically similar.
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