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to complicate the matter...just because the outputs are xlr doesn't mean they are balanced!
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Yea I am, simply awaiting payment form! Here is the funny part, Mark Seaton emailed me back abut a question I had about swapping Submersive HP enclosures for F2 enclosures. He had a side note that he saw me asking about a cheap balanced pre and said he would sell me his lightly used 5508! He has had it for two years and bought it from Ralph Potts who reviews Blu Rays for AVS. It's a better option than the Marantz 7701 I was looking at as it has every non Atmos channel possible with two sub outs.

I just thought it perfect considering you guys have basically same unit and you have used it successfully with the 4722's. Win, win...
I have the same one. It's a good unit. Someone had a classified listing for $150 and I snatched it up. One of the HDMI was busted, but my laptop connected HDMI just fine when I tested it. Win!

That's a nice unit.

I bought it specifically to go to my DSi amps, which I use (4) for my active LCR. I might grab a few more if I find a deal, in case I want to do wides active to match. Idk...

I think I probably need to do my theater design first haha. Add it to the list to do.
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to complicate the matter...just because the outputs are xlr doesn't mean they are balanced!
@LTD02 yes I quickly seen this in research. But it seems, from words of people on the internet, the 5508 is truly balanced and not simply unbalanced inside the unit with XLR connections on the outside.
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Approx how long is the wait time for the 4722? I was just down in the basement and kind of realized that with my low ceiling in the HT area of about 7'10" I seriously doubt there is room to have the JBL SCS8's for Atmos mounted to the ceiling. I have to figure out a way to get the speakers in the ceiling or just go with a different Atmos speaker.
I also have a low drop ceiling 7'6". The JBL Control 322C is an easy choice that outperforms the SCS-8. If you want to save money the 321C is about the same as SCS-8 but goes much lower. SCS-8 has more high end compared to 321C. Same backbox is available for both models.
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Ok, My Denon 4520 only has RCA's so that the only option for now. I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope I don't get humm!!!

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Yea my Marantz 7009 is the same way. Don't sweat it "yet". The QSC 2150 is a 101db speaker and I have no issues from a few feet away. If you turn the gain is all the way up it is a little more noticeable but I keep in around half gain. Of course the QSC DCA amps are very quiet compared to Emotiva XPA (have owned) or Crown XLS that I own. You may be just fine.

A pre pro of course would be optimal but the cost is crazy IMO.

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Yea my Marantz 7009 is the same way. Don't sweat it "yet". The QSC 2150 is a 101db speaker and I have no issues from a few feet away. If you turn the gain is all the way up it is a little more noticeable but I keep in around half gain. Of course the QSC DCA amps are very quiet compared to Emotiva XPA (have owned) or Crown XLS that I own. You may be just fine.

A pre pro of course would be optimal but the cost is crazy IMO.
Well I made some comments in the JTR speaker thread (lot of great guys over there) that I was on the hunt for a "cheaper" pre so I can run balanced for my LCR 4722/Crown DSI setup. Mark Seaton seen my comment and long story short I am being an Onkyo 5508 from him. A few years old but it does everything a processor does up to pre Atmos and it is a top model so has all the pre outs you need for a non Atmos setup, and 2x sub outs. So my entire world will be balance lol! My Denon 4520 would only sell for 750 on a good day as Atmos killed all the AVRs so I am going to keep it and use it to run a little cheap 5.1 Definitive Technology set in my living room. That will be better than a sounder lol! I will give the Samsung sound bar and wireless sub to my buddy who helped me move this weekend and manned the hand truck containing my 500lb gun safe!

Also looks like JBL sent my 4722's to RMC audio instead of me, they showed up there today. So they will be shipping out and this weekend I should be having some good time listening! Will use 4520's on board amps for now and passive. Should give me enough time to pick out any differences in switching to active a couple weeks later.
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So when running active does one select 4622? I don't see 4722 in the manual on this list.
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I have hiss on mine with Crown amps. I do have the gain all the way up. I never tried turning the gain down because it is only noticeable with no content playing.


But on to more important news; I finally bought a projector - W00T W00T
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^and what model?!!!!!

And you are running active? I thought you bought Crown's then returned them and decided to run passive. But I did go through this entire thread in a weekend.

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So when running active does one select 4622? I don't see 4722 in the manual on this list.
I had the same question a few months ago and reached out directly to Crown since the manual I downloaded online from the Crown site did not list the 4722. I was told that the 4722 presets are in the DSI series amps and that the manual was just likely outdated.
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I had the same question a few months ago and reached out directly to Crown since the manual I downloaded online from the Crown site did not list the 4722. I was told that the 4722 presets are in the DSI series amps and that the manual was just likely outdated.
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I am running passive but using external amps with my Denon.

Crown XLS 1500 and 2000. I am sure you will hear the hiss with the Dsi amps too. The speakers are so sensitive and if there were behind the screen at a theater, no one would ever hear it. I wouldn't worry about unless you like to meditate in your theater room with the amps powered on
Haha! I think you returned a DSI 1000 right? Because I bought the open box single Erik had for $50 off and I thought I remember you saying you opted for something else. Yea I will go for no humm. I mean I got a really good deal on the Onkyo 5508 so it's not too much to try.
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Ok so I got quotes back on all six surround speakers for the JBL pro cinema line.

The 8320 is noticeably less than all the others. It also seems like less of a speaker and I would hate to settle but at that price it's tempting. I know there are 8340a, 8350, SCS8 and SCS12 owners in this thread. I can't remember if we had any 8320 owners. Impressions?
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I am running passive but using external amps with my Denon.

Crown XLS 1500 and 2000. I am sure you will hear the hiss with the Dsi amps too. The speakers are so sensitive and if there were behind the screen at a theater, no one would ever hear it. I wouldn't worry about unless you like to meditate in your theater room with the amps powered on
I own the 1500. It's quieter than the Emotiva xpa3 1rst gen I owned and is a great amp...for speakers below 95db sensitivity or so. They are a tad noisy with super sensitive speakers (turn the gain down) . The DSI should be a good bit quieter as the QSC DCA amps are also a good bit quieter. Saying that.. I love the xls1500 in my living room.
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Ok so I got quotes back on all six surround speakers for the JBL pro cinema line.

The 8320 is noticeably less than all the others. It also seems like less of a speaker and I would hate to settle but at that price it's tempting. I know there are 8340a, 8350, SCS8 and SCS12 owners in this thread. I can't remember if we had any 8320 owners. Impressions?
I've owned the 8340a and 8330a. Is there a reason you are sticking with the JBL cinema line? They aren't timbre matched to the mains at all and there are much better JBLs mentioned above for similar money. Also the Volt 10lx stomps all over the 8340a ,8330a IMO for much much less, I have 8 of them in my room.

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I've owned the 8340a and 8330a. Is there a reason you are sticking with the JBL cinema line? They aren't timbre matched to the mains at all and there are much better JBLs mentioned above for similar money. Also the Volt 10lx stomps all over the 8340a ,8330a IMO for much much less, I have 8 of them in my room.
Well the 8320 is essentially the price after you finish buying and building the Volt 10's, That's why I was asking. The SCS8 is not too much more and it has to be at least as good or better than the Volt 10. It's the same speaker and surely the CD is better than the Denovo DNA-150 for $17 in the Volt 10. I imagine the Eminence mid driver is as good.

I am, not opposed to different brands, sure an all JBL Pro Cinema theater sounds cool but that's no big deal to me.

The 9320 Seemed appealing and is only another 150 over the 8350. But not sure if it's appealing enough to forego the ease of framing a straight wall as I don't want columns sticking out 15" into the room.
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Well the 8320 is essentially the price after you finish buying and building the Volt 10's, That's why I was asking. The SCS8 is not too much more and it has to be at least as good or better than the Volt 10. It's the same speaker and surely the CD is better than the Denovo DNA-150 for $17 in the Volt 10. I imagine the Eminence mid driver is as good. You're comparing parts basically at cost to a speaker with tons of markup.

I am, not opposed to different brands, sure an all JBL Pro Cinema theater sounds cool but that's no big deal to me.

The 9320 Seemed appealing and is only another 150 over the 8350. But not sure if it's appealing enough to forego the ease of framing a straight wall as I don't want columns sticking out 15" into the room.
I gotcha. Remember there is no mark up really on the DNA-150. It could easily sell for double that. It's an extremely good sounding driver, and I'm super critical and they aren't the least bit harsh. I wouldn't be surprised if the Volt10lx's parts manufacturing cost is more than the 8340a manufacturing cost, so don't let that price of the drivers be a factor. I wouldn't be surprised if the JBL cinema surrounds parts cost 1/4 the speaker price to manufacture.


And yes the only thing those surrounds share is a label. You gain absolutely no timbre matching vs using any other speaker. Once the lights are down you want the most performance for your money.

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I gotcha. Remember there is no mark up really on the DNA-150. It could easily sell for double that. It's an extremely good sounding driver, and I'm super critical and they aren't the least bit harsh. I wouldn't be surprised if the Volt10lx's manufacturing cost is more than the 8340a manufacturing cost, so don't let that price of the drivers be a factor. I wouldn't be surprised if the JBL cinema surrounds parts cost 1/4 the speaker price to manufacture.


And yes the only thing those surrounds share is a label. You gain absolutely no timbre matching vs using any other speaker. Once the lights are down you want the most performance for your money.
Yes I FULLY agree. I wanted to get the quotes though and see what was what. End of the day I have the advantage of having had two (non LX model) Volt 10's on surround duty for the last year. With only two surrounds I have been supremely impressed. Surely I fine tuned the system even my wife was surprised at the immersion factor by only two speakers behind us. It's as if they throw sounds further than their location. And IMO the thing they do best is handle the dynamic range with ease. There is a scene in Olympus has Fallen when a fighter jet slashes from upper left/behind down to the right. I would play the subs hot hot and it was fun "Feeling" that jet come through the room. But the Volts just blasted that sucker right to the JTR's like a boss. A huge bonus is like we already talked about in making the enclosures down to 7" and the dimensions I want for the columns.

I havn't had mine slanted down aiming at me ether. They are only about 24" above head but they seem up higher generally being elevated. Just plain ol cubes as enclosures so the fire from side wall aiming directly at the other speaker. Do you have yours slanted down at your MLP or straight? I feel like having them up a couple feet really helped excel the surround immersion and effects and I would like to do the same in my dedicated room.
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Mine are setup for Atmos. They're just above my head aimed straight. Slight toe on rears. IB open back Atmos. Click on my build link below for some pics.

Now I'm not trying to be a fan boy because I own them... I'm just saying IMO the JBL pro Cinema surrounds I've owned can't hold a candle to the Volts performance wise. Between the Volts and the better JBL surrounds mentioned I can't say as I've only owned the JBL cinema surrounds.
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I thing I might have posted this last week on here or another thread you were posting in, but I believe ChopShop's room originally was going to have the 8320's in it before he switched to the SCS-8's and 12's. If you read through the thread you will see that the engineers at JBL actually recommended the 8320's over the 8340's for home use....which I thought was interesting.

Currently I have the 8340a's and I feel like they do a great job for me right now. After hearing the SCS-8's at Frohlich's house, I have been considering them as a possible replacement down the road.
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Ok well quotes are great so really I could try 8320's. I will need to check but I think it was only a 5% restocking fee and shipping to return to RMC.

Does anyone know what is the THX recommendations and/or general for SPL on surround channels?

What was it @COACH2369 that made you think you want to switch? I have read many places where people really liked the coaxial CD on surround duty.
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Ok well quotes are great so really I could try 8320's. I will need to check but I think it was only a 5% restocking fee and shipping to return to RMC.

Does anyone know what is the THX recommendations and/or general for SPL on surround channels?

What was it @COACH2369 that made you think you want to switch? I have read many places where people really liked the coaxial CD on surround duty.
I like the flexibility of angling the SCS-8's...especially for my surround backs.
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I like the flexibility of angling the SCS-8's...especially for my surround backs.
Ok gotcha. The brackets they come with are super nice as well. But as far as SQ and performance how do the different designs compare?
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Yeah, I returned it. The speakers got here before the amps, and I was amazed at their sound in passive. I couldn't see the extra cost for the DSI. I have been buying the Crown XLS as they pop up cheap on eBay. I am planning to go with a pre amp with XLR in the next year or so. The Onkyo will drive the hell out of the 4722s. I wouldn't go spending a lot of money on DSIs until you hear them. My Denon 5200 can drive you out of the room with the internal amps.
Yea that makes sense and makes me happy as well with mine coming (someday )

The Onkyo 5508 is only a Pre amp so it doesn't have on board amps like an AVR such as my Denon 4520. I really if I can find the 9 channel am to match from Onkyo that would be perfect! LCR Crown DSI powered and all other channel running balanced from that amp would be a killer setup. It's my goal, then just swap out an Atmos pre with XLR outs. But those are few and super spendy now plus I'm not going Atmos out of the gate.
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I probably wouldn't have gone with the DSI's if they were the street price we see on Amazon and like places. But Erik can do them for pretty good. And I plan on using their capabilities beyond simply powering the speakers active. Plus I had a little extra in my Paypal account so they were even less out of pocket.
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What XLR cables do you guys use? I need to buy 3 for LCR. I have two, sold 7 of 9 of some decent ones but I think I will get three identical ones for LCR.

Also in case anyone was interested in following my Volt 10 words (I made comments they didn't sound great right after I built them) I hooked them up last night and with a little EQ they were very very good.
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What XLR cables do you guys use? I need to buy 3 for LCR. I have two, sold 7 of 9 of some decent ones but I think I will get three identical ones for LCR.

Also in case anyone was interested in following my Volt 10 words (I made comments they didn't sound great right after I built them) I hooked them up last night and with a little EQ they were very very good.
Not monoprice. They hum like a bastard until you cut and float the ground.

I make my own with Belden Brilliance Mic line cable, and some high quality ends from PE.
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Not monoprice. They hum like a bastard until you cut and float the ground.

I make my own with Belden Brilliance Mic line cable, and some high quality ends from PE.
I did not have good luck with Monoprice XLR cables either. When I switched brands the hum went away. Mine are XLR and are also 10DB pads/attenuators because all of my speakers were such high sensitivity.

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Not monoprice. They hum like a bastard until you cut and float the ground.

I make my own with Belden Brilliance Mic line cable, and some high quality ends from PE.
I think I will do this as I have to cut them anyway for my Phoenix connectors. What AWG wires size ? I prob will make them 5ft or so as I never expect my Pre to be far away from my DSI's.
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Are the Mogami's better...probably maybe. But the better question is are the Hosas good enough and based on my experience with the brand I would say they are very good too.

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