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Upgrading from Polk?

Hello, AVS!

I have a hypothetical budget of ~$2000 and have been wondering if I shouldn't upgrade my polk bookies.

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Polk RTi A3 fronts
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The last two items are permanent fixtures, so I'm wondering about the first three. I mostly use my HT for movie/tv watching. The wife won't allow towers, so whatever the upgrade is will also have to be bookshelves as well.

I don't think there's anything wrong with my setup, but the upgrade bug has hit again and would just like to consider some options.

Thanks!
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Hello, AVS!

I have a hypothetical budget of ~$2000 and have been wondering if I shouldn't upgrade my polk bookies.

Current setup:

Polk RTi A3 fronts
CSi A6 center
RTi A1 rears

Rythmik FV15HP
Onyko 1010

The last two items are permanent fixtures, so I'm wondering about the first three. I mostly use my HT for movie/tv watching. The wife won't allow towers, so whatever the upgrade is will also have to be bookshelves as well.

I don't think there's anything wrong with my setup, but the upgrade bug has hit again and would just like to consider some options.

Thanks!
Polk LSi series would certainly be an upgrade while staying in the family.

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Hello, AVS!

I have a hypothetical budget of ~$2000 and have been wondering if I shouldn't upgrade my polk bookies.

Current setup:

Polk RTi A3 fronts
CSi A6 center
RTi A1 rears

Rythmik FV15HP
Onyko 1010

The last two items are permanent fixtures, so I'm wondering about the first three. I mostly use my HT for movie/tv watching. The wife won't allow towers, so whatever the upgrade is will also have to be bookshelves as well.

I don't think there's anything wrong with my setup, but the upgrade bug has hit again and would just like to consider some options.

Thanks!
Lots of choices. Are you looking to stay with bookshelf? What is your budget?
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Lots of choices. Are you looking to stay with bookshelf? What is your budget?
I have to stay with bookshelves, and my budget is ~$2000 top end. The receiver and sub are permanent.
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would you try diy? what are you looking to get out of this upgrade?
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I would look at PSA MTM110's. They sound great!! I actually heard the MTM210's which is basically the same speaker minus a woofer. I was shocked at how good they did sound. You have a sub, so they will fit right in! You will notice a huge upgrade for cinema right away! Free shipping both ways with a 30 day in home demo.

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Keep the Rear and focus on Front and Center.

$2000 should get you a pretty substantial upgrade, especially if you confine it to Front and Center.

The Polk RTi-A3 are about $300/pr.

The Polk CSi-A6 is about a $300 to $400 Center speakers.

Next any sense of the vision for the new speakers? Bookshelf only? Or would you consider Floorstanding?


Just very very broad generalization, if we go for Front, Center, Rear, then roughly $500 Center, $500 Rear, and roughly $1000 Front.

If we go Front and Center, then about $650 Center, and roughly $1350/pr Front.

Don't get too locked in to that estimate, it simply establishes perspective and gives you a place to start.

But we need more of a vision for you system, and what you expect out of it?

Are you abandoning Polk Audio all together, or are they also on the list of possibilities. The Polk RTi-A5 floorstanding are about $500 each.

Very hot speakers right now are the Martin Logan Motion 35XT at $625 EACH -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=8414018

Unfortunately the 5.25" Motion 30 Center is on the pricey side at $699 each -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=9315204

$625 + $625 + $700 = $1950


To make more accurate recommendations, we need a better idea of what it is you are looking for.

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I will second the PSA and or Reaction Audio CX10. I can't say I've heard either, but customer service on both is top notch and you'll be getting quality as well as a 30 day in home trial.
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Keep the Rear and focus on Front and Center.

$2000 should get you a pretty substantial upgrade, especially if you confine it to Front and Center.

The Polk RTi-A3 are about $300/pr.

The Polk CSi-A6 is about a $300 to $400 Center speakers.

Next any sense of the vision for the new speakers? Bookshelf only? Or would you consider Floorstanding?


Just very very broad generalization, if we go for Front, Center, Rear, then roughly $500 Center, $500 Rear, and roughly $1000 Front.

If we go Front and Center, then about $650 Center, and roughly $1350/pr Front.

Don't get too locked in to that estimate, it simply establishes perspective and gives you a place to start.

But we need more of a vision for you system, and what you expect out of it?

Are you abandoning Polk Audio all together, or are they also on the list of possibilities. The Polk RTi-A5 floorstanding are about $500 each.

Very hot speakers right now are the Martin Logan Motion 35XT at $625 EACH -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=8414018

Unfortunately the 5.25" Motion 30 Center is on the pricey side at $699 each -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=9315204

$625 + $625 + $700 = $1950

To make more accurate recommendations, we need a better idea of what it is you are looking for.

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What about Martin Logan Motion 15/ lx16's that would get him under his limit as well.

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Yeah. I would recommend keeping your bookshelf speakers as surrounds and upgrading just the L/R/C speakers as suggested above. That would net you the best SQ upgrade as opposed to replacing the entire set outright.

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You can get the Polk LSiM series refurbished from their Ebay store, the LSiM703 bookshelves and LSiM706C center would be about $1900.

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Are these "bookshelf" speakers installed in a bookcase? If so, the port location will dictate your choices to a degree.
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Keep the Rear and focus on Front and Center.

$2000 should get you a pretty substantial upgrade, especially if you confine it to Front and Center.

The Polk RTi-A3 are about $300/pr.

The Polk CSi-A6 is about a $300 to $400 Center speakers.

Next any sense of the vision for the new speakers? Bookshelf only? Or would you consider Floorstanding?


Just very very broad generalization, if we go for Front, Center, Rear, then roughly $500 Center, $500 Rear, and roughly $1000 Front.

If we go Front and Center, then about $650 Center, and roughly $1350/pr Front.

Don't get too locked in to that estimate, it simply establishes perspective and gives you a place to start.

But we need more of a vision for you system, and what you expect out of it?

Are you abandoning Polk Audio all together, or are they also on the list of possibilities. The Polk RTi-A5 floorstanding are about $500 each.

Very hot speakers right now are the Martin Logan Motion 35XT at $625 EACH -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=8414018

Unfortunately the 5.25" Motion 30 Center is on the pricey side at $699 each -

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/martinlo...&skuId=9315204

$625 + $625 + $700 = $1950


To make more accurate recommendations, we need a better idea of what it is you are looking for.

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Apologies for bumping an extremely old thread (that I never managed to repsond to... eek), but I was wondering if this advice still holds up, six months later.

MartinLogans seem like great speakers, and I've read loads of people are very happy with this for an "under $1500 bookshelf speaker" category. A few said that I should have a good sub with these, and I think that I have a pretty good one.
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Upgrade the front 3 only. The surrounds do not have to match them at all.

For just $600 shipped, you could get a pair of Hsu HB-1s with the HC-1 center ... I think the transparency and lack of brightness would be a huge improvement over the Polks despite the similar pricepoint:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/speakerpkg.html

Similarly, you could get the Ascend CBM-170SEs with a CMT-340SE center for about the same ballpark ... that would likely be even more neutral and transparent than the Hsu, although the Hsu will win you more WAF points.

If you absolutely must spend $2K, I'd look at the Ascend Sierra 1 bookshelves with their Horizon center, that should be pretty spectacular for both movies and music.
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MartinLogans seem like great speakers, and I've read loads of people are very happy with this for an "under $1500 bookshelf speaker" category. A few said that I should have a good sub with these, and I think that I have a pretty good one.
I absolutely LUV my MartinLogans. With that being said, not so much their folded motion tweeter stuff. It sounds fabulous, but I, personally, don't care for the tweeter compared to planar tweeters. When it came time to get the MBR speakers, I was going to reluctantly go with the MartinLogin book shelf speakers but couldn't swallow the price for something I wasn't particularly wanting anyway.

Then I found the ID company Chane. They are one of the few that use planar tweets, the ones ML abandoned for the more cost effective folded motion tweeter. And they are exceptionally priced. The ONLY complaint (and it isn't a complaint from me) is that you can have them in any color you want...as long as it's black ash.
Unheard, I ordered a set of the A1rx-c for a shipped price for the pair of $350 (that's about HALF of what ONE MartinLogan cost) and I couldn't be more pleased. The SplitGap woofer, combined with the planar tweeter and these are mighty exceptional speakers! Other than aesthetics, they can easily stand with MartinLogans bookshelf offering and, in my opinion, bests them as well. This coming from a MartinLogan lover too.

http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chan...peakers/A1rx-c

If you have the space, I've heard the A2rx-c sounds even better and can still buy a pair for what one ML costs.

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B&W CM series is a nice upgrade. Don't make a lateral move like Chane, HSU, or EMPtek. Ascend Sierra and Polk LSiM should also be great upgrades. Unless there is something you don't like about the Polk RTiA fronts, you could do well by adding a second sub to match the one you have. Or you could add speakers for 7.1 or Atmos

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B&W CM series is a nice upgrade. Don't make a lateral move like Chane, HSU, or EMPtek. Ascend Sierra and Polk LSiM should also be great upgrades.
Only if critical music listening is your main usage. For HT? Aside from aesthetics and bragging rights, Sierras and LSiM would be largely a waste.
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LMAO! Excuse me...Chane is a "lateral" move? Lateral from what? You don't even know what the guy has already. More 'expert' advice.
He clearly stated what speakers he had....

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Only if critical music listening is your main usage. For HT? Aside from aesthetics and bragging rights, Sierras and LSiM would be largely a waste.
I agree, but they are upgrades. My impression is he wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading instead of being unhappy with some part of his set up. That's why I also suggested expanding his setup from 5.1 to 7.1 or Atmos or adding another sub.

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I agree, but they are upgrades. My impression is he wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading instead of being unhappy with some part of his set up. That's why I also suggested expanding his setup from 5.1 to 7.1 or Atmos or adding another sub.
Unfortunately (?) that's the exact reason. I have a great sounding setup (imo), but have the upgrade itch. I do listen to mostly HT, very rarely I'll throw a CD in.
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Apologies for bumping an extremely old thread (that I never managed to repsond to... eek), but I was wondering if this advice still holds up, six months later.

MartinLogans seem like great speakers, and I've read loads of people are very happy with this for an "under $1500 bookshelf speaker" category. A few said that I should have a good sub with these, and I think that I have a pretty good one.
The Advise still holds, but our ability to tailor a system to your requirements depends on your ability to tell us what those requirements are and what your vision of the new system is.

Are you absolutely limiting the selection to Bookshelf speakers in Front?

What are the dimensions of your room?

Movies Only or Movie and Music, and if Music then to what degree is Music a Priority?


B&W CM are certainly worth considering.

Martin Logan Motion are worth considering.

Perhaps Monitor Audio Silver.

Polk Audio LSi
from Polk's EBay site.

Just a bit over your budget, but the Wharfedale JADE Series have gotten very good review.

Wharfedale Jade 3 Bookshelf - $1499/pr -


http://www.musicdirect.com/p-53406-w...eakers-pr.aspx

Wharfedale Jade C1 Center - $550 ($1100 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-53456-w...peaker-ea.aspx

TOTAL = $1500 + $550 = $2050

That would be a very good choice.

Here is a Review of the JADE 3 Speakers -

Stereophile Review - Wharfedale JADE 3 -


http://www.stereophile.com/content/w...-3-loudspeaker

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Unfortunately (?) that's the exact reason. I have a great sounding setup (imo), but have the upgrade itch. I do listen to mostly HT, very rarely I'll throw a CD in.
In that case I'd say just upgrade the center...since the CSi A6 is already Polk's top center before the LSi line, I'd jump brands and try a massive 3 way design like the Ascend Sierra center or one of the SVS centers (nice thing about SVS is the free return shipping).

Oh, but make sure to toss a handful of salt over your shoulder in order to ward off the vengeful spirits who'll be out to punish you severely for defying the "Thou shalt not mix and match the front stage" holiest of holies commandment!
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LOL! He "clearly" didn't!
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LOL! He "clearly" didn't!
It's in the very first post.
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Reading AND comprehension is fundamentally important when replying to a post. You might try it. Makes the forum process much more enjoyable.
At this point you are just trolling.

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EDIT...I need some sleep. I apologize (publicly to zpatter1, blue wizard and jumuo...and MrGuru as well. I was the one that didn't realize the OP was indeed Mr. Guru and when I replied, and Mr. Guru was apologizing for resurrecting an old thread, I very mistakenly thought he was new to the discussion.

Again, I apologize.
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Apparently, zpatter1, as well as blue wizard (I honestly expected more from this cat), and now jumuo don't understand forum etiquette I guess. Or am I the only one that doesn't have a clue as to what's going on?

EDIT...I need some sleep. I apologize (publicly to zpatter1, blue wizard and jumuo...and MrGuru as well. I was the one that didn't realize the OP was indeed Mr. Guru and when I replied, and Mr. Guru was apologizing for resurrecting an old thread, I very mistakenly thought he was new to the discussion.

Again, I apologize.
You're good. You generally give pretty solid advice on here so I was surprised but I'm glad it's just lack of sleep. I hope the thread isn't derailed too much.

Hey @MrGuru did you end up with a decision or a shortlist?

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Subwoofer: Dual Sealed SI-HT 18" with iNuke 3000dsp
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post #29 of 52 Old 10-11-2015, 02:36 PM
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Unfortunately (?) that's the exact reason. I have a great sounding setup (imo), but have the upgrade itch. I do listen to mostly HT, very rarely I'll throw a CD in.
Define "great sounding"? (rhetorical)

Polk are good speakers, but they have their flaws. An upgrade should bring you more noticeable Clarity and Detail, and perhaps a better balance or perceived balance across the spectrum.

Next, what is it you are really hoping to gain? Larger Floorstanding speakers can give a better sense of impact above the Subwoofer Crossover.

Also, what characteristics are you looking for in a speakers, do you want Laid Back, or would you prefer a crisper more present sound?

Is $2000 the absolute ceiling for speakers?

Here is an alternative approach -

Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 Floorstanding - $800/pr ($1300 retail) -


http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15494-w...eakers-pr.aspx

Wharfedale Diamond 10.CM 3-way Center (2x6.5") $300/ea ($450 retail) -


http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15503-w...peaker-ea.aspx

There are definite advantages to a 3-way Center. Note the Diamond 10.CM is a very large speaker with 2x6.5" bass drivers. If you consider it, make sure you have room for it, otherwise, try they 2-way Diamond 10.CS with 2x5" bass drivers.

The Retail cost on these speakers is about $1750, not far from your budget.

Some would classify the Diamond as laid back and very smooth.

Stereophile Review - Diamond 10.7 Floorstanding Speaker -

http://www.stereophile.com/content/w...07-loudspeaker

Another approach to more impact is larger Front Speakers -

The Monitor Audio Silver 2 are bookshelf speakers with 8" bass drivers, and should kick pretty hard. The Monitor Audio Silver Series are highly rated.

Monitor Audio Silver 2 (8") bookshelf - $1050/pair -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MRSS2

The matching Center speakers is -

Monitor Audio Silver Center - $725/each -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MRSSC

Again, TOTAL - $1775, close to your budget.

Many claim the Monitor Audio are bit crisper and more present.

But, again, depending on your needs and limitations, the Monitor Audio Silver 6, Silver 8, and Silver 10 are nothing to sneeze at -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MRSS6

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MRSS8

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MRSS10

Prices are EACH, so a bit above your price range, but the SIlver 6 and the Silver Center would only be a bit over your price range.

$1500/pr = Monitor Audio Silver 6
$_750/ea = Monitor Audio Silver Center
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$2250 = Total


Of those listed the most intriguing to me are the JADE 3 and the Monitor Audio Silver, though for me, the Monitor Audio Silver 10 ... not that I can actually afford them.

The Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 are intriguing because of the substantial discounts on a very good speaker. I have the Wharfedale DIamond 9.6, very silky smooth, and a trace laid back. I would expect the 10 series to be an improvement.

Given that the Polk RTi-A3 are only about $300/pr, the speakers mentioned in this thread should be a real upgrade.

Bare in mind that with the exception of the massively large Premium Wharfedale Speakers, the JADE series are their Flagship models - Top of the Line.

Wharfedale does make a premium line of old-school speaker but they cost about the price of a new car -

Wharfedale Airedale -


http://wharfedale.co.uk/product.php?pid=2

The point is, with the exception of the crazy expensive Airedale, the JADE are the Flagship, top of the line, speakers. And ... very close to your stated budget.

Steve/bluewizard

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If your still interested in Polk, NewEgg has Polk Monitor 70 Series II for $200.00 each.
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