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Atmos aside, I don't wan't to be the person living in the apartment below that system. Who puts 2 12" subs in an apartment?
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Atmos aside, I don't wan't to be the person living in the apartment below that system. Who puts 2 12" subs in an apartment?
Those are 15" subs: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...um-review.html

Here's what they look like in my space...


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Those are 15" subs: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...um-review.html

Here's what they look like in my space...

I stand corrected, I don't won't to be in the apartment two floors below that guy. Great looking setup.
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Finally, the new RP-140SA Elevation Speaker ($500/pair) is an Atmos module that lets you add reflected overhead sound to existing speaker systems—Klipsch or not. It is a 2-way sealed design with a 4" aluminum woofer and a Tractrix-horn tweeter.
I can't see why anyone would want to mess up their sound by adding Klipsch to their system.
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I can't see why anyone would want to mess up their sound by adding Klipsch to their system.
You trollin boy?
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You trollin boy?
or probably you took the comment the wrong way ?

probably he don't like to the idea of mixing his speakers with the klipsch module ,Personally I prefer speakers from the same manufacture.
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Isn't this a bit ridiculous? Shooting soundwaves into the ceiling and having it reflect back down onto the listener?
Perhaps Mr. Bose & Mr. Klipsch were actually long lost cousins and today, Mr. Bose is snickering in his grave.

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Atmos aside, I don't wan't to be the person living in the apartment below that system. Who puts 2 12" subs in an apartment?
Same person who puts horns in there?

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They certainly look nice, but I just don't see how that's going to cut it when Dolby Atmos is supposed to require full range speakers all around. I was imagining/hoping that, at any point in a well mixed Atmos movie, the amount of output for any given scene would be the same in the surrounds/ceilings as it is in the mains. Those modules definitely wouldn't be able to keep up with the towers they are mounted to. I don't mean to sound like a naysayer, but I think it's a legitimate concern.
i asked this very thing on the klipsch forum and got the run around. they said they passed dolby tests requirements. i dont think there is any way a angled rb-41 basically is gonna keep up with a set of rf-7ii's. i think they are kind of gimmicky myself. i am usually one of the guys that always buys klipsch stuff as it comes to to try it. but these i think i am gonna skip.
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This is quickly devolving into a guide to being the worst apartment neighbor.

On the atmos topic, I really need to hear atmos in a normal room. I am currently in the process of having blueprints drawn up for a new home. I am hoping to have enough budget to make room for a dedicated theater or least space that can be later converted into one. I totally buy into the idea of speakers in the ceiling, but bouncing sound off the ceiling is a bit of a hard sell. If the ceiling was made of material that bounced sound sufficient to improve ambient or directional sound, it would impair the sound of all the other speakers. Then again, I have been completely wrong about acoustics in the past, so I need to find a demo studio or someone that already dumped the money on this.
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On the atmos topic, I really need to hear atmos in a normal room. I am currently in the process of having blueprints drawn up for a new home. I am hoping to have enough budget to make room for a dedicated theater or least space that can be later converted into one. I totally buy into the idea of speakers in the ceiling, but bouncing sound off the ceiling is a bit of a hard sell. If the ceiling was made of material that bounced sound sufficient to improve ambient or directional sound, it would impair the sound of all the other speakers. Then again, I have been completely wrong about acoustics in the past, so I need to find a demo studio or someone that already dumped the money on this.
If I were in your situation (new build), there's no way in hell I'd even consider speaker modules as an option for 3D sound. I'd pre-wire your room for 9.1.6, as I really feel that's all that is needed in your average sized room with two rows of seating. One row of seating? 9.1.4. Done. I will state that my opinion is based upon zero real world experience, but a boatload of research on this forum.
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This is so much easier than trying to drill speakers in your ceiling.

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How would these modules differ from a pair of bookshelf speakers, angled towards the ceiling on say, a foam wedge?

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Atmos aside, I don't wan't to be the person living in the apartment below that system. Who puts 2 12" subs in an apartment?
Dude, I live in an apartment with four PSA XS15se subwoofers. I just put Auralex sound isolation platforums under all my subs. Never had any complaints from my neighbors or my landlord.

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I have a 7.1 theater and might be upgrading the speakers. My side and rear surrounds are higher up due to placement issues in my room and was wondering what you all thought about using the Atmos RP-140SA speakers for my side and rear surrounds as they are angled downward when mounted on the wall. What do you all think about the RP-140SA vs the RP-240S for my side and rear surrounds?
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I have a 7.1 theater and might be upgrading the speakers. My side and rear surrounds are higher up due to placement issues in my room and was wondering what you all thought about using the Atmos RP-140SA speakers for my side and rear surrounds as they are angled downward when mounted on the wall. What do you all think about the RP-140SA vs the RP-240S for my side and rear surrounds?
In that case, you might also want to look into klipsch cinema line speakers. Some of the surround models are around the same price for more speaker, and they feature a similar angle
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I really like Klipsch speakers but I do not see how using this type of configuration is a good viable solution for Atmos. First off I do not see how you wouldn't notice the sound coming out of the top of the cabinet? Second bouncing sound of hard surfaces introduces distortion and can not be the most accurate way to get sound to the listening position and make people think it is coming from above them. Besides in my room it would be right behind the two recliners and I am sure I would hear the sound coming from the top of the cabinet and it would sound like it was coming from behind me. Even with a bookshelf sized speaker mounted to the wall I do not see how it would work.
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Just what we needed. MORE upward firing speakers. Not to be a Negative Nancy or anything, but I foresee this being a very short-lived trend.

The real problem: these things are hideous.


This will not gain public acceptance. It's tough enough to get people interested in moving the furniture to add high quality home theater speakers that are affordable - most have little or no fashion value. Even worse is to take an anonymous speaker box, and put a dunce cap this ugly on top of it.


There has got to be a better solution than this. It doesn't matter if it works or not - I doubt that it does, but that's neither here nor there. If it looks this clumsy, it will not be popular. At all.
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Perhaps Mr. Bose & Mr. Klipsch were actually long lost cousins and today, Mr. Bose is snickering in his grave.

That's Dr Bose to you.
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I have a 7.1 theater and might be upgrading the speakers. My side and rear surrounds are higher up due to placement issues in my room and was wondering what you all thought about using the Atmos RP-140SA speakers for my side and rear surrounds as they are angled downward when mounted on the wall. What do you all think about the RP-140SA vs the RP-240S for my side and rear surrounds?
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In that case, you might also want to look into klipsch cinema line speakers. Some of the surround models are around the same price for more speaker, and they feature a similar angle


Edit: But apparently the Atmos speakers can be used as surrounds as well:
https://community.klipsch.com/index..../#entry1903170


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Just what we needed. MORE upward firing speakers. Not to be a Negative Nancy or anything, but I foresee this being a very short-lived trend.
Right there with 3D and curved screens.
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For those that dislike the upfiring speakers, have you actually heard any? It seems like there's a lot of hate towards them, but I'm not sure if it's just a dislike for the concept or the actual performance.
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Optimal Atmos is run from ceiling mount speakers. Only as a last resort would I think to purchase an upward firing module (unless your renting or have no way to run 4 ceiling speakers)
OR, in quite a few situations, sold concrete ceilings. I have this in my current apartment HT. Moving to a house with dedicated HT room shortly though which will have ceiling speakers installed.
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Just duct tape a bookshelf speaker with a block of wood to angle it upwards to your current towers. You get custom, adjustable angles with the same hideous design for a fraction of the cost.
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The thing that makes me nervous is those speakers they use. So far, I've seen 3" full range single speakers (Def Tech) four 3" full range speakers in a square (Triad), a 4" concentric driver (Elac) and now Klipsch with a conventional two-way with horn. Quite the spread of designs so is there a spec from Dolby to guide you or...just flip a coin?

I'm on the fence, a very comfortable fence! It was there for Mini Disc, HD-DVD, SACD, Pono, and 3D TV...

My 5.1 is still running but hopefully the industry will figure it out before it dies.
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The thing that makes me nervous is those speakers they use. So far, I've seen 3" full range single speakers (Def Tech) four 3" full range speakers in a square (Triad), a 4" concentric driver (Elac) and now Klipsch with a conventional two-way with horn. Quite the spread of designs so is there a spec from Dolby to guide you or...just flip a coin?

I'm on the fence, a very comfortable fence! It was there for Mini Disc, HD-DVD, SACD, Pono, and 3D TV...

My 5.1 is still running but hopefully the industry will figure it out before it dies.
You pretty much need controlled directivity and an upward-facing design with a little tilt to it. And Dolby's blessing, of course. Klipsch is sending me a set of 4 for review.

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Castle had something a while back. Granted not two way, angled though

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You pretty much need controlled directivity and an upward-facing design with a little tilt to it. And Dolby's blessing, of course. Klipsch is sending me a set of 4 for review.
Let me know what you think about the RP-140sa speakers as I am thinking about using them as surrounds as well as rear surrounds. Could you compare them to the RP-150m and the RP-160m? Thank you.
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Let me know what you think about the RP-140sa speakers as I am thinking about using them as surrounds as well as rear surrounds. Could you compare them to the RP-150m and the RP-160m? Thank you.
I have two pairs of RP-140SAs on the way.

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You pretty much need controlled directivity and an upward-facing design with a little tilt to it. And Dolby's blessing, of course. Klipsch is sending me a set of 4 for review.
Just trying to wrap my head around the directivity they advise. A 3" full range has very wide directivity and a 4" concentric does as well. Then I see four 3" full ranges in the 2x2 format and they will interfere with each other which limits directivity. I'll assume the 2x2 configuration would beam at high frequencies but since it is bouncing off an unknown surface, it would not matter. Noting the love for full ranges and concentrics, I found it odd when I saw the Klipsch use a 2-way with horn.

In the DIY area, they are working on an Atmos test rig that will use four 2x2 configured full ranges and compare them to a 6" concentric and take measurements. Although I won't be doing Atmos anytime soon, I find the idea of bouncing sound around rather 901'ish so it should be interesting.

The 6" concentric driver has 93dB at one watt/one meter and handles hundreds of watts so it peaks my curiosity of what SPL would be required to operate if the mains are punching 115dB at one meter. These are interesting times.
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