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$2500 - $3000 Speakers & Sub Budget

I am a total newbie when it comes to AV stuff, so I need some assistance.

Anyway, I am finishing a basement and I have a 15' X 18' room that I can dedicate as a home theater. I am getting an Epson projector, a Stewart Cima screen and a Marantz receiver. I'm so confused about speakers. I went to Magnolia and listen to a bunch of speakers and they all sounded good. It is very likely that my ears are not all that refine to distinguish the subtleties and nuisances of the speakers I listen to. All I know is that they are better than what comes out of my tv.

The guy at best buy suggested bookshelf-type Sonance speakers at $400 a piece (L/R/C and 2 surrounds) and he suggested 2 subwoofers at $500 each (can't remember the brand). His suggested set up is about $3000. Is this a good set up? I would appreciate comments and recommendations.

Some info about the room and what we usually watch/listen to: Hardwood floor, no window and my builder plans on putting in Quietrock drywalls. We don't watch a lot of loud, explosive movies. I occasionally enjoy Jason Bourne, Mission Impossible, etc. But since my wife usually wins on what to watch, so lots of RomCom. I also listen to music that ranges from James Taylor to Green Day. So pretty mellow and tame. My kids play PS4 and Xbox.
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The subwoofers at bestbuy are junkers. They have a couple good speaker brands, but they are a bit pricey. I would be looking at a Hsu 7.1 Hybrid 15 setup, that is just a tad over $2k shipped and should outperform the bestbuy speakers. The Hsu speakers are very good and the sub is a beast. I would also be looking at a speaker set from EMP Tek Impression series or Ascend Acoustics. For subs I would stick with Hsu, Rythmik, or Reaction Audio. Those sub manufacturers are far beyond anything that bestbuy carries for the same dollar amount.
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My suggestion would be to go ID (internet direct companies), you will get a much better return for your money.


For the subs, look at these, for $500 x 2 you can get something very descent.
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers
http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html


This leave you with $1500-$2000 for 5 speakers.
A little company that got lots of good recommendation is
http://emptek.com/products.php
Bookshelf at $225 a pair
Center for $195-395 each
Towers for $700 a pair
Lots of room to decide for your budget


or
https://www.aperionaudio.com/speaker...y-series/verus
4 bookshelf VGB
1 matching center VGC
$107 over $2000


or
http://www.svsound.com/speakers/prime-series
Bookshelf for $249 pr
Center 349 ea
Towers for $1000 a pr
Again, lots of room to decide.


All of the above have some fan base as good speakers for the money.
All you have to do, is spend a little time to read some reviews and decide how much you want to spent.
There are many more, but those are the one that I am familiar with.


Good luck in your search


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Since you are not able to distinguish different types of sound well I would go for the pretty speakers!

Check these out!

EMPTek R55Ti ($695)
http://emptek.com/r55ti.php

EMPTek R56Ci ($395)
http://emptek.com/r56ci.php

EMPTek R55Wi ($349)
http://emptek.com/r55wi.php

SVS PB-1000 ($500)
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000

Total system cost = $1939!

With your room size there's no need for dual subwoofers.
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STAY AWAY FROM BEST BUY!!! worst place someone new and not very knowledgeable can go. they are salesman. and crappy ones at that. if you have a 2500-3000 budget i would go with internet direct companies. high efficiency speakers are most peoples preference for home theater. and it sound like you aren't buying an external amp. nothing wrong with that at all. i have two different theaters and neither have a dedicated amp. I've been there and done that and for high efficiency speakers they just aren't needed in my opinion.

will you be doing a acoustically transparent screen? i am guessing yes since you mentioned 4 bookshelf style speakers? if not maybe a pair of towers and a good center is gonna be what you are looking for.

i would always recommend two subs if your wife will allow it.

the above mentioned hsu 5.1 package and an additional vtf-15h mk2 would come in at 2500 shipped. that would be a killer setup.

if you wanted towers maybe a less efficient package like the svs prime package?

prime tower package is 1549 shipped and a dual pb or pc-2000 package is 1499 shipped comes right in at your 3000 budget. both would be killer setups and offer a great warranty.
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My suggestion would be to go ID (internet direct companies), you will get a much better return for your money.

I very much agree with this.

Ray has given you a lot of great advice. You ask 10 people on AVS what speakers you should buy and you'll get 18 different answers.

I second his suggestion of SVS:

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http://www.svsound.com/speakers/prime-series
Bookshelf for $249 pr EACH
Center 349 ea
Towers for $1000 a pr
Again, lots of room to decide.

This is pretty much exactly what I would recommend as well, albiet the one minor correction above.

  • Then add a PB1000 subwoofer ($500) puts you at $2,350. This beats your posted low-end budget.
  • You specifically mentioned that you don't watch a lot of bassy movies, so the PB1000 should be all (and more, and then some) than you need.
  • You have to have a sub in your system, so do it right the first time and at least get an SVS sub no matter which company you purchase from. The sub is the one speakers that really doesn't need to match the rest.

A few things about SVS:

  • They've been in business for a lot of years selling Internet Direct only.
  • They have free shipping. With the weight of their subs, freight is the difference between making your mortgage payment or not. These are the best built subs I've ever owned (Pioneer, Klipsch, Mirage)
  • Free 45 day in-home audition. You don't like them for some reason, they will pay to have them picked up and returned. But you won't.
  • Their customer service is second to none.
  • 5 year unconditional warranty

I'm not affiliated with SVS in anyway, other than being a satisfied customer. I had a 10" SVS, added a second, bought their center channel, then upgraded to dual PB2000's. All 4 subs are currently in use in my house. Not at the same time, I don't have earthquake insurance.

Good luck on your quest!

BTW- Where are you located blindpilot?
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prime tower package is 1549 shipped and a dual pb or pc-2000 package is 1499 shipped comes right in at your 3000 budget. both would be killer setups and offer a great warranty.
^This...and what I said lol

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My head is beginning to spin....
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My head is beginning to spin....
http://www.tektondesign.com/products.html

http://rslspeakers.com/product-categ...eater-systems/

I would check out these 2 brands, tekton speakers are very efficient and allow for lower power amps/save money. Tekton would be the bigger speakers route and RSL the smaller speakers option. They both offer in home trial period and if for some reason your not happy you can send them back.

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http://www.tektondesign.com/products.html

http://rslspeakers.com/product-categ...eater-systems/

I would check out these 2 brands, tekton speakers are very efficient and allow for lower power amps/save money. Tekton would be the bigger speakers route and RSL the smaller speakers option. They both offer in home trial period and if for some reason your not happy you can send them back.
rsl...never heard of them. but 4" mains and a 10" sub? for 2000+$$$

NO WAY!! sorry but this just doesn't seem like they would be even close to worth that kind of money.
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When talking about speakers and subwoofers, it’s easy to get the head spinning. There are a LOT of very nice and affordable speakers on the market. The brands mentioned so far are all very good and sport very positive professional and amateur reviews. And there are a dozen more that would be just as good or better! Take a look at the websites of those that have been mentioned. If nothing hits you, also take a look at JBL, Wave Crest, ELAC (big hit at this year’s audio show) and Chane. Everyone has their favorites, and for good reasons.

Your choices for subwoofers are also many, but if you want a dramatic home theater, I’d be narrowing it down to the $1,000 plus range. One of the top bang-for-the-buck subs is the Hsu VTF-3 Mk 5. Extremely positive professional reviews. But there are also very high quality subs from Rythmik, Reaction Audio, PSA and SVS. I suggest you visit each website and note the ones that interest you. Then call each company and talk to the owners/designers to help you get a feel for their product and services they provide.
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rsl...never heard of them. but 4" mains and a 10" sub? for 2000+$$$

NO WAY!! sorry but this just doesn't seem like they would be even close to worth that kind of money.
For people who dont want big speakers. The sub blends with the satellites. Better if he actually demoed speakers for himself.
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Here's another option for you -

2x Infinity Primus P363 for LR
Primus PC351 or P163 for center
4x Primus P163 for surrounds

PB-2000 or Outlaw X-12 or any sub from SVS/HSU/PSA

Should come in well under budget and these are good speakers even though they are not considered high end.
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Here's another option for you -

2x Infinity Primus P363 for LR
Primus PC351 or P163 for center
4x Primus P163 for surrounds

PB-2000 or Outlaw X-12 or any sub from SVS/HSU/PSA

Should come in well under budget and these are good speakers even though they are not considered high end.
The Infinity Primus speakers are excellent speakers for the price, don't be fooled by how inexpensive they are. As for the PB2000 and Ultra X12 subs, I would really try to make the stretch up to the Hsu VTF3 mk5. There is a big jump in performance between the VTF3 and all of the lesser priced subs. A lot of time people will say something about willing to spend a little more for a greater return, in terms of performance, well the VTF3 is that return. It's hard to recommend lesser priced subs because the VTF3 is so much more for the money, and I would only say get the cheaper ones if there is a hard cap on the budget that rules out the VTF3.
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The Infinity Primus speakers are excellent speakers for the price, don't be fooled by how inexpensive they are. As for the PB2000 and Ultra X12 subs, I would really try to make the stretch up to the Hsu VTF3 mk5. There is a big jump in performance between the VTF3 and all of the lesser priced subs. A lot of time people will say something about willing to spend a little more for a greater return, in terms of performance, well the VTF3 is that return. It's hard to recommend lesser priced subs because the VTF3 is so much more for the money, and I would only say get the cheaper ones if there is a hard cap on the budget that rules out the VTF3.
Agreed. IMO the Primus line punches well above its weight, but they are also on sale which may cause some to dismiss them as 'cheap' and thus not good enough. OP of course has a rather big budget which easily covers a 7.1 and even dual subs with this setup, if he wants.
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+1 they are great for the price i love mine

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OP here.... my wife says that I can get whatever I want as long as I can hide everything in the wall.

Lots of great suggestions here but some may be too big to hide in the wall (like the freestanding ones).

Also, I have a wall on 3 sides of the wall (front and both sides but no wall on the back). I figured the L/R/C can be installed in the wall under the Stewart screen (or maybe even behind the screen if the Cima will allow it). I like the idea of a dual sub system if budget will allow. Can subs be hidden in the wall or do they really have to be freestanding? For the 2 surround speakers in the back, if I install/hide them in the ceiling, would I be compromising sound quality or overall sound effect?
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OP here.... my wife says that I can get whatever I want as long as I can hide everything in the wall.
Sigh...
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There are some decent in-wall speakers, but no good in-wall subs. Something I might look at is the Klipsch R-5650 speakers for the front stage. They have pivoting tweeters which might help. You might look at some R-2650 for in-ceiling speakers. Will they be a compromise, yes, but if you can't have stand-alone speakers, they are better than nothing. As for a sub, if you can have something really big but still want good bass, I would look at a Hsu ULS-15 mk2. Otherwise, I would be looking at the ported 15"s from Hsu, Rythmik, or Reaction Audio.
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rsl...never heard of them. but 4" mains and a 10" sub? for 2000+$$$

NO WAY!! sorry but this just doesn't seem like they would be even close to worth that kind of money.
One of several reviews that all say the same thing-

http://www.audioholics.com/surround-...speaker-review

The sub might not be the best value but the speakers can be bought separately.

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This is probably a stupid question... I am looking at a 7.2 Marantz receiver but only really going to set up a 5.1 speakers/sub. Is this okay or should I be looking at a 5.1 receiver (4K compatible)? If I can save money on a less expensive receiver, that would be great. Something less than $500 would be nice.
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This is probably a stupid question... I am looking at a 7.2 Marantz receiver but only really going to set up a 5.1 speakers/sub. Is this okay or should I be looking at a 5.1 receiver (4K compatible)? If I can save money on a less expensive receiver, that would be great. Something less than $500 would be nice.
You can have a 7.1/.2 receiver and "only" have a 5.1/.2 setup.

As for receivers, Accessories4Less has great deals

Yippee-ki-yay...
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OP here.... my wife says that I can get whatever I want as long as I can hide everything in the wall.

Oh snap, blank check. Build another wall and pickup the JTR 215's, JBL M2's. Id tell ya to get some Revels but they're to pretty to hide.
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Hmmm...a floor to ceiling AT screen counts as a wall right?

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BP,

Is the $2500 for speakers only?

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Sorry should have read the title better.

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My head is beginning to spin....

Breath in, breath out.
Take your time to read about all suggestion!


This not a race, you are going to live with the system you choice for a long time.
Unless you become anal like some us
But in general, do-it once and do-it right.


So take a few weeks to read reviews and treads about all suggestion.
Once you made a decision and if you like the results, don't look back and enjoy


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There are some decent in-wall speakers, but no good in-wall subs.
Not exactly.

I don't know OP's room, but if you have an separate part of the basement sealed from the HT, you can get a little sneaky and have a great in-wall sub system if you go IB.
Start with two IB318s + amp, and add a few more if you need more.

http://ibsubwoofers.proboards.com/

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Tell her she can have as many purses and shoes as she wants as long as they are all sealed inside the wall with your speakers where she can't get to them

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