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post #391 of 2566 Old 12-11-2015, 06:18 PM
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Is that the Elac center?

If so, have you ever thought about getting a matching bookshelf and stand?
I have the B6 for Left and Right so I'm thinking the ELAC sub will be a good replacement for the Paradigm sub I now use.

For center, I have a huge Paradigm which I think would be tough to beat.
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I have the B6 for Left and Right so I'm thinking the ELAC sub will be a good replacement for the Paradigm sub I now use.

For center, I have a huge Paradigm which I think would be tough to beat.
I gotcha. Any reason to not have matching Paradigm bookshelves? What model is the center channel?

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Any updates on the debut F6 or the step up line yet?
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Hi All,

I'm pretty new to the speaker world and am looking to replace components of my current Energy Take Classic 5.1 System.

I plan to replace the front stage with 2 Elac B6's and a C5 keeping two energy's as surrounds for the time being. I eventually plan to get 2 B5's to replace the surrounds and will just live with the Energy sub as I live in a condo so don't feel that it's necessary to replace as I have it barely on as it is and will have everything hooked up to a Sony STR-DN1050 receiver.

In a lot of reviews that I see, including that speaker shootout thread on this site, people seem to review the B6's with music in a 2.0 or maybe 2.1 setup. Seeing as I use my system exclusively for Movies/TV/Video games in a 5.1 setting, I find it hard to relate these reviews. Does anybody have this setup, or a similar setup and use it for more home theater use? Or how can I take the info from these 2.0 reviews and apply them to my situations in using them in a 5.1 setup?

I know that almost anything would be better than my Take Classic setup, but just want to know if this would be an ideal setup for what I have in mind.

Thank you,
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Hi All,

I'm pretty new to the speaker world and am looking to replace components of my current Energy Take Classic 5.1 System.

I plan to replace the front stage with 2 Elac B6's and a C5 keeping two energy's as surrounds for the time being. I eventually plan to get 2 B5's to replace the surrounds and will just live with the Energy sub as I live in a condo so don't feel that it's necessary to replace as I have it barely on as it is and will have everything hooked up to a Sony STR-DN1050 receiver.

In a lot of reviews that I see, including that speaker shootout thread on this site, people seem to review the B6's with music in a 2.0 or maybe 2.1 setup. Seeing as I use my system exclusively for Movies/TV/Video games in a 5.1 setting, I find it hard to relate these reviews. Does anybody have this setup, or a similar setup and use it for more home theater use? Or how can I take the info from these 2.0 reviews and apply them to my situations in using them in a 5.1 setup?

I know that almost anything would be better than my Take Classic setup, but just want to know if this would be an ideal setup for what I have in mind.

Thank you,
I just set up my home theater with the B6's and C5. I replaced a Paradigm Cinema 70 system, which is similar is size/performance to the Energy's you have. I still use the Paradigm's for the rears since they had the dipole design. I really liked the Paradigm speakers but I've been thinking of getting a larger center for some time and when I read about the Elacs and saw the price I figured they'd be perfect, and they haven't disappointed. The sound is so much richer and dynamic with the B6's and C5. I do sometimes listen to just 2.0 and 2.1 stereo and they do a very good job, excellent really considering the price, but for HT I don't think you need much more than this. I originally started with B5's but Amazon had a returned pair of B6's come up so I exchanged them and I'm glad I did. The B5's were very good, but the B6's are much fuller sounding. I am using them with a Reaction Audio BPS212 subwoofer, which is a sub with dual opposed 12" drivers and I think 300w, and is a beast for my 12x16 room, so I have no issues with low end. I cross the speakers over at 80hz. I'm guessing your receiver is probably crossing your Energy's at around 110-120hz like I was with my Paradigms. The lower crossover point with the Elacs will give you more midrange sound effects and dialogue coming from your front stage and not the sub. Dialogue and effects will sound fuller and more present. Basically the movies will sound bigger. My kids actually get scared of the sound now. I think you'll notice a big difference in the sound and be very happy with them.
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F5s on the way....

So, Elac'ers, or wannabe Elac'ers (me). I've had a pair of Paradigm Titan v3s since 2002 or so? Had them paired with a Marantz 2215B for over 10 years. The Marantz is starting to be a crack rattling pot mess, so I've delegated it to phono stage/tuner status through the tape monitor for now. I replaced the amplifier section with a lovely Hegel H100 last year. A $3000 amp and 13 year old $275 speakers? It sounds pretty good actually. I looooove the Hegel. A little light on warmth vs the Marantz, but detail, detail, detail! Anyway, my plan was to drop $3K or so on my next set of speakers, soon. Life gets in the way and that's not going to happen for a while now...so, I decided to find something economical to tide me over a couple years. I know that nothing in the $500 price range that I've heard in store hasn't "jacked" me in any way...Elac F5s on the way, Tuesday. Review to follow.
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Any updates on the debut F6 or the step up line yet?
CES I was told.

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I have been looking to replace my 1999 Infinity RS5s that work perfectly and sound fine for years. Looking at specs there is nothing under 1000 per that exceeds them (very hard to believe considering they were 400 for the pair in 1999 but the specs are good:
Frequency Response35Hz - 20kHz Sensitivity92dB (2.83 volts/1 meter) Impedance8 ohms Output LevelMAX - 115dB spl Recommended Power Amplifier Range15 - 200 watts Woofer6.5" (160mm)co-injected Tweeter1" (25mm) neodymium soft dome

I pulled the trigger although I feel like the lower sensitivity & bass will be a concern but figure I can return them to Amazon if I don't love them.

Can someone explain the discrepancy?


3-way, bass re ex 42 to 20,000 Hz
6 Ω
85 dB at 2.83 v/1m 100 Hz / 3,000 Hz 140 Watts

1-inch cloth dome
3 x 5.25-inch woven aramid- ber cones with oversized magnet and vented pole piece CARB2 rated MDF
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7.87 in / 200 mm
38 in / 965 mm
8.75 in / 222 mm
32.8 lb / 14.9 kg
36.3 lb / 16.5 kg

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I have been looking to replace my 1999 Infinity RS5s that work perfectly and sound fine for years. Looking at specs there is nothing under 1000 per that exceeds them (very hard to believe considering they were 400 for the pair in 1999 but the specs are good:
Frequency Response35Hz - 20kHz Sensitivity92dB (2.83 volts/1 meter) Impedance8 ohms Output LevelMAX - 115dB spl Recommended Power Amplifier Range15 - 200 watts Woofer6.5" (160mm)co-injected Tweeter1" (25mm) neodymium soft dome

I pulled the trigger although I feel like the lower sensitivity & bass will be a concern but figure I can return them to Amazon if I don't love them.

Can someone explain the discrepancy?


3-way, bass re ex 42 to 20,000 Hz
6 Ω
85 dB at 2.83 v/1m 100 Hz / 3,000 Hz 140 Watts

1-inch cloth dome
3 x 5.25-inch woven aramid- ber cones with oversized magnet and vented pole piece CARB2 rated MDF
Black brushed vinyl
3 x dual ared
5-way metal
7.87 in / 200 mm
38 in / 965 mm
8.75 in / 222 mm
32.8 lb / 14.9 kg
36.3 lb / 16.5 kg
I've never listened to your infinity's, but their measured frequency response and sensitivity is impressive. I have B6's and initially had B5's for a couple of weeks. The overall sound, in particular the bass, is impressive. IMO you don't need a subwoofer if just listening to music, unless you really love bass. Their bass response sounds and feels like it goes lower than the listed 42hz. A big difference with your infinitys is the sensitivity. The B5's are much less sensitive than the infinity's so it will take more power for them to play as loud and depending on your amp, increasing output could lead to more distortion. If you like to listen to music loud this could be a big difference in speakers. Not that the Elacs can't play loud, they certainly can, just it takes more power since they aren't as efficient. What amp or receiver are you using? That could make a difference. Other than that the specs are just that - specs. They can't tell you about imaging, detail, soundstage, etc. You have to listen to both. I would say that you should give the Elacs some break in time. I ran mine everyday for a week while I went to work. I sat down this weekend to listen to the B6's hooked up to a Peachtree Nova 125 without my sub and they were excellent. The bass is very abundant, detailed and precise for a speaker this inexpensive. They made the windows rattle but never sounded bloated. The rest of the sound was excellent but I was blown away by how detailed the bass sounded. I didn't even have the sub hooked up, but I still almost checked to see if it was on. I'm curious to see what you think of these compared to the infinitys.
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Thanks for the response, I have a Harman Kardon AVR3700, it was a replacement for an AVR 7550HD that kept failing I knew it's output sucked so got an Emotiva UPA 500. The Emotiva is running L/R/C and the AVR the surrounds.

The Emotiva is rated at 140x5 @4 & 80x5 @ 8 ohms, since I am running 3 channels and the ELAC are 6 I assume 100+ is logical. I never get near 2/3 without being too loud (no distortion) so power should not be an issue.

I have 2 subs so my main concern is a problem with blending.

The more I looked for new speakers (a want not a need) the more shocked I am at the specs & sound of these ancient Infinitys.

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Your emotiva will have no problem with the Elacs. Looking forward to hearing your impressions.
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They are here and so far so good!

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It's been a few days. I have watched several movies and listened to alot of music, they sound great!
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It's been a few days. I have watched several movies and listened to alot of music, they sound great!
For reference, what size is your TV?
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It's been a few days. I have watched several movies and listened to alot of music, they sound great!
Tile floors, glass coffee table, no rugs or acoustic treatments?

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It is a living room, not a theater.
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Understood, but you'd be amazed at what a nice thick area rug can do to absorb early reflections. Just sayin'.

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Understood, but you'd be amazed at what a nice thick area rug can do to absorb early reflections. Just sayin'.

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I don't have reflection issues. What I do have are two large dogs, two kids, a pool out the door to the left of the TV in a backyard that has lots of traffic which is why we have tile floors. (In summer an army of dripping people coming & going would not be ideal with anything but tile)

A rug=a mess.

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Here's my B6 sitting on isolation foam pads and driven by the budget Nad C320BEE. I removed the tweeter grills ;D

Wonder if the Emotiva mini-X a-100 would sound better than the Nad?

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Here's my B6 sitting on isolation foam pads and driven by the budget Nad C320BEE. I removed the tweeter grills ;D

Wonder if the Emotiva mini-X a-100 would sound better than the Nad?


What did removing the grill do?
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What did removing the grill do?
Simply put, removing the tweeter grills let the highs shine in my set up. With the grills on, the treble was a tad too laidback for me. Or perhaps the NAD isn't resolving enough in the high frequencies.

But one thing I really like about the B6 is that it never ever sounds fatiguing, even with tweeter grills off.
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Simply put, removing the tweeter grills let the highs shine in my set up. With the grills on, the treble was a tad too laidback for me. Or perhaps the NAD isn't resolving enough in the high frequencies.

But one thing I really like about the B6 is that it never ever sounds fatiguing, even with tweeter grills off.
You apparently don't have a 2.5 year old in your household who likes to touch stuff. Tweeter grills are a must in my home. :-)
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I recently started researching bookshelf speakers and came across all the rave reviews for the Elac Debut speakers. I've ordered the B5 and B6 to see which one works better in my living room.

I put away my floorstanding Klipsch speakers because of my toddlers.

I have an old set of energy take-5 set. I don't have a good feel for what mixing lesser speakers with nicer speakers does. I don't have a good feel if it is additive or would be like mixing good wine with cheap wine?


1) Would it be better to just use the ELAC in a 2.0 configuration, or should I include the old Take-5 powered subwoofer in the mix? What would be an appropriate crossover frequency?

2) Similar question. Should I include the old Take-5 center speaker in the mix? Or just remove it.

3) I'm considering buying the C5 center as well. Since I will be trying out the B5 and B6's at the same time, would using one of them as a center speaker give me a good approximation of what adding a C5 would be like?

4) How much of a benefit would I experience if I replaced the Take-5 subwoofer with one of the ELAC subwoofers?

Thanks so much in advance
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1) Would it be better to just use the ELAC in a 2.0 configuration, or should I include the old Take-5 powered subwoofer in the mix? What would be an appropriate crossover frequency?

2) Similar question. Should I include the old Take-5 center speaker in the mix? Or just remove it.

3) I'm considering buying the C5 center as well. Since I will be trying out the B5 and B6's at the same time, would using one of them as a center speaker give me a good approximation of what adding a C5 would be like?

4) How much of a benefit would I experience if I replaced the Take-5 subwoofer with one of the ELAC subwoofers?

Thanks so much in advance
1. I would keep the sub. Use 80hz crossover.

2. Again, I think keep it unless they really clash. Try with and without.

3. I don't think so the C5 is quite different from the other two.

4. Not sure, but I know you can get a lot better subs from an ID company for less money. ELAC's S12EQ is a 12" with 500W RMS for $700. There are plenty other options out there.
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Anyone who has these and the JBL LSR305's have any thoughts about how they perform and sound in comparison?
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I'm glad to see this thread is alive and well. I have updated the first post with two new reviews:

Part-time audiophile: REVIEW: ELAC DEBUT B6 AND F5 LOUDSPEAKERS

Reference Home Theater ELAC B6 Speaker Review

For the record, this is done pro bono for the AVS community. I have no connection with Elac.
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Another review by a German language print magazine:

Elac Debut Linie 5.1-Set (F5 / B6 / C5 / S12EQ)
audiovision magazine January 2016

„Plus: sehr musikalisches, mitreißendes Klangbild; Raumabbildung sehr griffig und dreidimensional; tiefer und sauberer Bass.
Minus: geringer Wirkungsgrad der Frontboxen.“

Positive: Very musical , rousing sound ; three dimensional and effective imaging; deep and clean bass
Negative: low sensitivity of the front speakers

More on testberichte.de in German.

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