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SIAP, haven't made it all the way through the thread, but quick question.

I have two F5s and a C5 for my front stage. I was originally running a Sony SLR 1080 but it seems to lack power for the speakers. I've switched to a Marantz sr5011. Will I have the same power issues, or will this properly drive the front channels?

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100W/ch should be more than enough for 2-ch. Maybe when cranking a movie you'll run a little thin, but not often.

So if you have the 5011 already whats your own take? I have the 7010 with UF5s and a UC5 in front and like it a lot.

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Was just on Amazon (answering a posted question) and see the Uni-Fi UF5's going for $399 ($100 off). Not sure how long that;s been or how long it'll last.
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Always wire to the receiver, set the speakers to small no matter what audyssey says, crossover at 80, maybe higher on the surrounds.
Perfect, thanks for the advice. I'll make these changes and check back in with my findings.
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I’m moving in a month, and while I don’t have measurements yet, I expect my home theater room will be around 300 square feet and I will be on the 2nd floor of a two story apartment

I purchased a Denon AVR-X4300 today, and plan to run a 9.1 setup using Elac Debut speakers. My old 7.1 system is going into the master bedroom.

So far my plan is:
F5 tower x 2
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B5 bookshelf surrounds x 4
A4 front Atmos x 2 (possibly adding 2 more down the road)
S10EQ with SVS SoundPath Subwoofer Isolation System

I am assuming the S10EQ should be sufficient for this size apartment. I’d step up to the S12EQ, but I have some concerns it might be too much for the apartment (and neighbors). I was also considering the B6 for surrounds, but after reading through this thread, they seem to be overkill.

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Excited after finding a great deal on a Debut setup consisting of F6 L/R, C5 center, and a pair of B5 surrounds. This will be replacing my Pioneer AJ FS52 towers and BS22 surrounds with a Philharmonic AA modified C22 center. I'm running them off a Denon X3300 with dual Klipsch R-115 subs.

Had the Pioneers for about a year and for what's it's worth, my take on them aligns with the typical online review. Really great setup for the money, kind of muddy/veiled top end. I cross over the center at 100hz for greater dialogue clarity and run my Audyssey on "flat" instead of "reference" because I understand he reference curve rolls off the top end more.

Do you guys think there will be a substantial difference with the Debuts? I know they have a similarly warm signature so I'm wondering if crossing over the center at 100hz and leaving the EQ curve as flat would apply to the Elacs nicely.

How does the C5 compare to the Philharmonic AA center? Is it possible the AA could outperform the C5?

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Elac adante as 61 standmount speakers

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Are the dealers supposed to be getting the Adante already? I called my local dealer but they said no...
Has anyone got the ELAC ADANTE standmount AS 61'S in their home yet?

How is the soundstage? How are you finding performance? What amp have you paired it with? Other comments?

I am wondering for a receiver how MARANTZ SR 6012 or sr 7012 would go with these speakers.
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A4 owners. I am thinking of getting A4's to mount to my ceiling. I know it is not designed for that, but can the speaker be removed to allow for screwing through the back?
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Has anyone got the ELAC ADANTE standmount AS 61'S in their home yet?

How is the soundstage? How are you finding performance? What amp have you paired it with? Other comments?

I am wondering for a receiver how MARANTZ SR 6012 or sr 7012 would go with these speakers.

I've heard them and really like them. Color is like his other products which is a very good thing.
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Super minor detail, but do ELAC bookshelves not come with any type of rubber feet? The B6 in particular. Not a huge deal, was just the first bookshelves of the last half dozen recently that didn't & will have to buy some on amazon. Or anyone else's B6's come with feet, and mine are just missing?

ANyway, they sound amazing, so smooth, so much nice full bass.



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Here's my B6 sitting on isolation foam pads and driven by the budget Nad C320BEE. I removed the tweeter grills ;D

Wonder if the Emotiva mini-X a-100 would sound better than the Nad?

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Sorry for not having these new speakers and electronics on our website yet. We are almost finished with a brand new website that has all of the new information. Should be up in the next week or so.

Here is the pricing on the new Uni-Fi Series Speakers.

UB5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Bookshelf Speakers $499 Pair - Available in April
UC5 3-Way 5/1"4" Concentric Center Speaker $349 Each - Available in April
UF5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Floorstanding Speakers $499 Each- Available in April

I will post a drop box link with press releases and images in another post.

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No rubber feet with my B6.
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Super minor detail, but do ELAC bookshelves not come with any type of rubber feet?
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No rubber feet with my B6.
Also no rubber feet with B6, nor with the A4 Atmos speakers -- which are designed to sit on top of other speakers. (EDIT - the later is incorrect, see below. Apologies)

My solution was to use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I42EOJE
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Also no rubber feet with B6, nor with the A4 Atmos speakers -- which are designed to sit on top of other speakers.

My solution was to use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I42EOJE


My A4’s came with clear square rubbery feet you could attach to them. Personally I didn’t like the look of them as they made a gap between the A4’s and F5’s vs looking more like a single unit. I just wish the whole bottom had been like a thin black piece of rubber that went edge to edge as it is kind of slippery without the feet but looks a whole lot better. Obviously this isn’t how you put them on but just trying to give people an idea of the relative thickness of these.

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My B6's and C5 center didn't come with any feet, either. Chintzy.

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Oh I'm not complaining, for the value & performance of these speakers. I just wanted to make sure they weren't supposed to be in there. Just have to factor in the purchase into their price- unfortunately you have to buy way too many at once.
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My A4’s came with clear square rubbery feet you could attach to them.
Well how about that, I just dug into the box and found the feet hidden in one of the Styrofoam separators. Thanks for the correction.

But I like my Blu Tack solution anyway, holds firm and thin. The A4's really match your F5's nicely!
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In that picture above, how is this guy running the B6's on an isolation pad with the back of the speaker against the wall? That has to sound horrible, as these speakers ned a lot of space behind them. I wonder if he plugged the port?

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The A4's really match your F5's nicely!
Thanks, yeah I think they go really great together and so does the GF! I do however wish Elac made a single F5+A4 unit however to give it a fully cohesive look, plus then you could have two sets of speaker terminals on the bottom of the tower so you didn't have to run a pair of wires up to the top of the tower to further streamline the whole look. But all in all it looks a hell of a lot better than throwing a random pair of Atmos speakers on the top that don't match in style or dimensions.

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While it seems a consensus that the B6 is "warm", would that opinion extend to the Uni-Fi series as well? I have some Uni-Fi BS B5 at the moment, and while I sense more clarity, it is striking me as a little bright. I'm not sure if I'm just very sensitive to the treble (the Emotiva T1 was brighter yet).
I had the B6 for about 18 months and then upgraded to the UB5.

I'm overly sensitive to bright speakers and, adding insult to injury, have a bright room that's tough to tame. I thought the UB5 was really bright compared to the B6 and was getting discouraged but I think they smoothed out a great deal after 100 or so hours. I truly loved the B6 warmth but the UB5 are really in another league with their imaging and the low frequency detail.

I realize ELAC's official statement is the speakers don't need break-in but I disagree or maybe my ears somehow dramatically adapted and hear the speakers differently.
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Are either the Debut 6 or Uni 5 suitable for HT?

I have the 6's now and just demoing music ...

And what's the better speaker the Uni 5 or Debut 6? did anyone give up a 6 for the 5 and regret losing that bass?
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Are either the Debut 6 or Uni 5 suitable for HT?

I have the 6's now and just demoing music ...

And what's the better speaker the Uni 5 or Debut 6? did anyone give up a 6 for the 5 and regret losing that bass?
You're going to want all that bass.
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Are either the Debut 6 or Uni 5 suitable for HT?

I have the 6's now and just demoing music ...

And what's the better speaker the Uni 5 or Debut 6? did anyone give up a 6 for the 5 and regret losing that bass?
I didn't notice a huge difference in low end. If there's a subwoofer in the HT, I would think the Uni would offer more.
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Lots that these won't do, but what they do is not drive me nuts (short drive, btw). I really like these and I only have the B6s. Now that I'm on Tidal, they're on all day. I tried the B&W 685S2s in there for about 30 minutes one day and couldn't stand them so back to the Elacs.
Why didn't you like the 685? did you sell?
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I had the B6 for about 18 months and then upgraded to the UB5.

I'm overly sensitive to bright speakers and, adding insult to injury, have a bright room that's tough to tame. I thought the UB5 was really bright compared to the B6 and was getting discouraged but I think they smoothed out a great deal after 100 or so hours. I truly loved the B6 warmth but the UB5 are really in another league with their imaging and the low frequency detail.

I realize ELAC's official statement is the speakers don't need break-in but I disagree or maybe my ears somehow dramatically adapted and hear the speakers differently.
I bought another set of B6s as a Xmas gift late year for my brother. I got to hear a brand new out of the box set right next to my well broken in set, one set on speaker selector A and the other on B on the Yamaha integrated so BS to there being no break-in period. New set sounded a little nasty in that it was grainy and harsh, and I would have sent them back had I not had the broken it set right next to it. I felt the same when I first got mine. I came very close to sending them back.
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Why didn't you like the 685? did you sell?

The below is a review of the slightly smaller 686S2s that uses the same drivers. This also describes the 685S2s perfectly. I can't listen to them.


http://noaudiophile.com/Bowers_and_Wilkins_686_S2/


"The drivers sound super clean, another low distortion speaker from the Brits.

I'm hearing all kinds of stuff I've never heard in my music... this is always a bad sign as it means the speakers are doing something wrong. This is usually a rising response issue, but instead it sound like a more complicated issue.

Hall and Oats I can't go for that sounds like a remix. The vocals are completely different, there is almost nothing resembling the original recording.

Imaging is more like headphones than speakers, with vocals being so far forward they are almost behind or in the head.

These speakers are an addictive poison to the ear. Like a loudness button on a receiver that ends up always pressed. I can see why people like these, but it ain't right.

Phil Collins is a disaster, there are no words for how bad this sounds. No more 80's stuff, these just slaughter that entire era.

The speaker is off so much tonally that it's actually pushing vocals up octaves, and the 10kHz range is boosted to the point of sizzle only balanced out because of the boosted bass response.

Boosted bass on the speaker means that Deadmau5 stomps with extra umph, with the low point of the speakers output sounds like it's somewhere around 50Hz.

Unlike the KEF, B&W speakers do sound different. These sound way worse than the 800 Diamonds I heard at RMAF which were at least passable as hifi speakers.

The 686 is the kind of speaker you make when you don't respect the average consumer enough to trust them to like music the way it was recorded. "
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The below is a review of the slightly smaller 686S2s that uses the same drivers. This also describes the 685S2s perfectly. I can't listen to them.


http://noaudiophile.com/Bowers_and_Wilkins_686_S2/


"The drivers sound super clean, another low distortion speaker from the Brits.

I'm hearing all kinds of stuff I've never heard in my music... this is always a bad sign as it means the speakers are doing something wrong. This is usually a rising response issue, but instead it sound like a more complicated issue.

Hall and Oats I can't go for that sounds like a remix. The vocals are completely different, there is almost nothing resembling the original recording.

Imaging is more like headphones than speakers, with vocals being so far forward they are almost behind or in the head.

These speakers are an addictive poison to the ear. Like a loudness button on a receiver that ends up always pressed. I can see why people like these, but it ain't right.

Phil Collins is a disaster, there are no words for how bad this sounds. No more 80's stuff, these just slaughter that entire era.

The speaker is off so much tonally that it's actually pushing vocals up octaves, and the 10kHz range is boosted to the point of sizzle only balanced out because of the boosted bass response.

Boosted bass on the speaker means that Deadmau5 stomps with extra umph, with the low point of the speakers output sounds like it's somewhere around 50Hz.

Unlike the KEF, B&W speakers do sound different. These sound way worse than the 800 Diamonds I heard at RMAF which were at least passable as hifi speakers.

The 686 is the kind of speaker you make when you don't respect the average consumer enough to trust them to like music the way it was recorded. "


Yeah but that’s only one bad review from a guy who isn’t an industry guy.


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Other than my many very similar bad reviews of them.
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The below is a review of the slightly smaller 686S2s that uses the same drivers. This also describes the 685S2s perfectly. I can't listen to them.


http://noaudiophile.com/Bowers_and_Wilkins_686_S2/


"The drivers sound super clean, another low distortion speaker from the Brits.

I'm hearing all kinds of stuff I've never heard in my music... this is always a bad sign as it means the speakers are doing something wrong. This is usually a rising response issue, but instead it sound like a more complicated issue.

Hall and Oats I can't go for that sounds like a remix. The vocals are completely different, there is almost nothing resembling the original recording.

Imaging is more like headphones than speakers, with vocals being so far forward they are almost behind or in the head.

These speakers are an addictive poison to the ear. Like a loudness button on a receiver that ends up always pressed. I can see why people like these, but it ain't right.

Phil Collins is a disaster, there are no words for how bad this sounds. No more 80's stuff, these just slaughter that entire era.

The speaker is off so much tonally that it's actually pushing vocals up octaves, and the 10kHz range is boosted to the point of sizzle only balanced out because of the boosted bass response.

Boosted bass on the speaker means that Deadmau5 stomps with extra umph, with the low point of the speakers output sounds like it's somewhere around 50Hz.

Unlike the KEF, B&W speakers do sound different. These sound way worse than the 800 Diamonds I heard at RMAF which were at least passable as hifi speakers.

The 686 is the kind of speaker you make when you don't respect the average consumer enough to trust them to like music the way it was recorded. "
I've read this guy's reviews. He has an irrational dislike of first order cross-overs and generally drinks a case of beer during testing and analysis. However, his testing seems pretty thorough. The part about hearing things that weren't there before and shouldn't be gave me a good chuckle. If I remember correctly he ripped on KEF speakers pretty hard as well but that EQ made everything better.

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I've read this guy's reviews. He has an irrational dislike of first order cross-overs and generally drinks a case of beer during testing and analysis. However, his testing seems pretty thorough. The part about hearing things that weren't there before and shouldn't be gave me a good chuckle. If I remember correctly he ripped on KEF speakers pretty hard as well but that EQ made everything better.

His subjective opinion of these sure match mine, and for what's it's worth, measurements aren't anything to write home about either.
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His subjective opinion of these sure match mine, and for what's it's worth, measurements aren't anything to write home about either.
Oh, did you drink a case of beer while listening to them as well? Sorry, couldn't resist.

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