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post #2131 of 2807 Old 06-09-2018, 12:35 PM
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Debut 2.0 5.2 vs. 6.2

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Attached some images of the room that speakers will be going in. Images are from zillow, so ignore furniture and tv on wall. None of that will be there.
The image of built in is a projected example of something I am having contractor build but can be altered to fit speakers, AVR, etc...

My question:
for this size room, and I will have either a monolith 10 or RSL 10S sub, should I go with 6.2 or 5.2
The few bucks difference doesn't matter to me.

Listening really only to tv and movies. Have kids, so likely won't really get to jack up volume that high very often.

Also, if for any reason someone says 5.2, than what center? Still a 6.2 or the C5.2?

Love an opinion as well how these speakers compare to polk signature S20.
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Hey all,
Attached some images of the room that speakers will be going in. Images are from zillow, so ignore furniture and tv on wall. None of that will be there.
The image of built in is a projected example of something I am having contractor build but can be altered to fit speakers, AVR, etc...

My question:
for this size room, and I will have either a monolith 10 or RSL 10S sub, should I go with 6.2 or 5.2
The few bucks difference doesn't matter to me.

Listening really only to tv and movies. Have kids, so likely won't really get to jack up volume that high very often.

Also, if for any reason someone says 5.2, than what center? Still a 6.2 or the C5.2?

Love an opinion as well how these speakers compare to polk signature S20.
I have (4) B6.2's and a C6.2 plus a Monolith 10 in a room smaller than yours. I've had this setup for about a month and a half. These guys are over-achievers. They are great with movies and music. I have never heard the RSL 10S nor the Polk Signature 20's, so I can't help you there. I know it's a tough choice without being able to actually audition them in your home.



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The B6 is considered best, though the B5 and B4 are outstanding in their own right. Also if you are using them for home theater with a sub you probably don't really need any more than the B5. Still amazed at how good my B4's sounded compared to my F5's, obviously the F5's were better sounding but the B4's have no right sounding so good in comparison considering how much smaller they are.
I had F5's and didn't really like them. I thought the B6 out-shined them in almost every circumstance, except for volume in the midrange. Musically, the B6 was far better. Even the B4 is more musical and I think sounds really good on certain songs because the tweeter shines through a bit more.

For a smaller room or area, the B4 is downright impressive. Next time the B5 goes on sale, I might pick up a set of those too.
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I had F5's and didn't really like them. I thought the B6 out-shined them in almost every circumstance, except for volume in the midrange. Musically, the B6 was far better. Even the B4 is more musical and I think sounds really good on certain songs because the tweeter shines through a bit more.



For a smaller room or area, the B4 is downright impressive. Next time the B5 goes on sale, I might pick up a set of those too.


Hmmm, I use my F5's for HT without a subwoofer so I love the extra low end, the B4 was obviously lacking in that department. I felt that way too on the music I had listened to.

Also you might want to hop on buying those B5's sooner rather than later as it seems all of the Debut 1.0 stock is drying up, as I'm guessing they aren't making any more of them.
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My question:
for this size room, and I will have either a monolith 10 or RSL 10S sub, should I go with 6.2 or 5.2
The few bucks difference doesn't matter to me.

Listening really only to tv and movies. Have kids, so likely won't really get to jack up volume that high very often.
I own a pair of the RSL 10S' and as much as I love them in my space am thinking that you may want to kick it up a notch (or two) to something bigger. I say this because my experience with the 10S' and from reading on the interwebs is that you may come up short with only a single unit used primarily for movies/TV. I picked these to compliment my Uni-Fi F5's and a heavier concentration on music over video sources. In a pair they punch pretty well for most movies but I can tell that for some of the "loud" releases I could do better with something bigger, even at lower volumes.
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Hmmm, I use my F5's for HT without a subwoofer so I love the extra low end, the B4 was obviously lacking in that department. I felt that way too on the music I had listened to.
B6's have more low end than the F5's, at least at moderate listening levels. When cranked the F5's may start to catch up, but I'm not a "crank it up" kind of person with my music. For home theater the F5 was ok, but it still needed a sub.

At moderate levels all of the original Debut bookshelves have a satisfying low-end. I did not experience this with the towers. I also did not think the towers imaged as well.

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Yeah, I've been keeping my eye out.
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I recently received the Adante center channel and really like it, even though I wasn't able to find many comments in terms of impressions. I'm not using them with Elac mains (using Cerious speakers), but am enjoying the quality so far with EMotiva XMC1 processor and an old 3 channel Acurus amp. I do use TAD Cr1's for stereo, so one day I'll have to use the Adante and TAD's together to see what synergy is there using all coincident drivers. Anyone in NYC who wants to hear them, msg me.
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Auditioned the f6.2 and the c6.2 today (among many other brands) and was blown away. Didn't listen to any surrounds but would 2 b6.2s behind the listener be overkill in a 5.1 system (16' x 16' room)?
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Auditioned the f6.2 and the c6.2 today (among many other brands) and was blown away. Didn't listen to any surrounds but would 2 b6.2s behind the listener be overkill in a 5.1 system (16' x 16' room)?
For rears I'd probably choose the B5.2's over the B6.2's. But if you have the space I suppose it doesn't really matter.

Curious what else you listed to though.
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Auditioned the f6.2 and the c6.2 today (among many other brands) and was blown away. Didn't listen to any surrounds but would 2 b6.2s behind the listener be overkill in a 5.1 system (16' x 16' room)?
I'm using four B6.2's and a C6.2 in a room smaller than yours. I've had them for about two months and just love them. I originally was going to go for the F6.2's up front but they were on back order so I went with the B6.2's all around. No regrets. These are very good speakers!



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Auditioned the f6.2 and the c6.2 today (among many other brands) and was blown away. Didn't listen to any surrounds but would 2 b6.2s behind the listener be overkill in a 5.1 system (16' x 16' room)?
For rears I'd probably choose the B5.2's over the B6.2's. But if you have the space I suppose it doesn't really matter.

Curious what else you listed to though.
Didn't get all of the model numbers but I listened to Klipsch references, two different DefTechs (one at the same price as the ELACs, and one significantly more), Sony, Bose and Sonos (neither of those held a candle to the first few). I didn't even want to listen to the MLs or B&Ws because I'd rather keep the whole 5.1 system plus AVR at around $3000.

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Auditioned the f6.2 and the c6.2 today (among many other brands) and was blown away. Didn't listen to any surrounds but would 2 b6.2s behind the listener be overkill in a 5.1 system (16' x 16' room)?
I'm using four B6.2's and a C6.2 in a room smaller than yours. I've had them for about two months and just love them. I originally was going to go for the F6.2's up front but they were on back order so I went with the B6.2's all around. No regrets. These are very good speakers!


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Sweet thanks! I'd like to listen to SVS speakers as well but don't know of a place to do that around me.
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Didn't get all of the model numbers but I listened to Klipsch references, two different DefTechs (one at the same price as the ELACs, and one significantly more), Sony, Bose and Sonos (neither of those held a candle to the first few). I didn't even want to listen to the MLs or B&Ws because I'd rather keep the whole 5.1 system plus AVR at around $3000.
In that price range and against those brands the Elac's are definitely going to stand out as the better speaker in a demo room.
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Didn't get all of the model numbers but I listened to Klipsch references, two different DefTechs (one at the same price as the ELACs, and one significantly more), Sony, Bose and Sonos (neither of those held a candle to the first few). I didn't even want to listen to the MLs or B&Ws because I'd rather keep the whole 5.1 system plus AVR at around $3000.
In that price range and against those brands the Elac's are definitely going to stand out as the better speaker in a demo room.
Any other brands around that price I should be listening to?
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Just picked up the B6.2's

My first "real" speakers. I always had cheap all-in-one systems. So I picked up an Onkyo TX-SR373 receiver and the new Elac Debut B6.2's. I'm a newbie but here are my first impressions...


- Bass response is great for music! Daft Punk never sounded so good in my room.
- Bass doesn't quite go low enough for HT so you need a sub (but blends very well with a sub at 80hz crossover)
- Treble is NOT too bright. In fact I think it's on the mild side. I increased the treble a bit on my receiver to compensate. Debating on removing the metal grille from the tweeter but I don't want to scratch anything.

- Mids are very good but they don't blow my mind, just right.
- These speakers are a bit hard to push.
- Build quality is very good, no flaws. And it was packaged really well.


I'm guessing these speakers deserve a much more expensive receiver with more "clean power" to bring out their full potential, which kind of defeats the price point of these speakers. Just my initial thoughts.
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Has anyone placed the A4 Atmos speakers on top of B4s? I currently have A4s on top of my F5s. In another thread, some folks are moving their Atmos add-ons to the rear surrounds.

I realize the A4s have a slightly larger footprint than the B4s, just wondering if it would look silly or not. (my current rear surrounds are very small Mirages, so I don't yet have the B4s for reference)
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In another thread, some folks are moving their Atmos add-ons to the rear surrounds.
I have a 5.1.2 setup in a small room, and never thought about Atmos on the rear speakers. Now I'm intrigued if it might work well in my setup.

Would you point me to that thread, please?
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I have a 5.1.2 setup in a small room, and never thought about Atmos on the rear speakers. Now I'm intrigued if it might work well in my setup.

Would you point me to that thread, please?
Certainly. Luckily it's toward the end of the thread, so only a page or so of posts. It started here I believe:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post56363976
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Curious if other owners of the B6, and like ELAC speakers, remove the tweeter grill or keep it on?
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Curious if other owners of the B6, and like ELAC speakers, remove the tweeter grill or keep it on?
I remove the regular grill cover but I see no reason to attempt to remove the tweeter protection cover. You would be flirting with disaster. Just the right size for investigative little fingers!



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Curious if other owners of the B6, and like ELAC speakers, remove the tweeter grill or keep it on?
I remove the regular grill covers on my B6.2's. I don't want to tempt fate by removing the the tweeter covers. It would be the perfect size opening for inquisitive little fingers!



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Has anyone placed the A4 Atmos speakers on top of B4s? I currently have A4s on top of my F5s. In another thread, some folks are moving their Atmos add-ons to the rear surrounds.



I realize the A4s have a slightly larger footprint than the B4s, just wondering if it would look silly or not. (my current rear surrounds are very small Mirages, so I don't yet have the B4s for reference)

Excuse the mess, just kind of drug these over for a quick few shots, but feel free to judge for yourself. I will say it obviously doesn't look as slick as on my F5's (or a B5 for that matter since they are the same size, minus height of course)


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@reallynotnick - thanks for doing that, much appreciated! Hmm, that's not too bad actually. I guess I'd have to step up to the B5s if I really wanted it to match. I still need to determine if the B4s/5s will be too imposing in the corners, they would be pretty close to the listening positions.
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@reallynotnick - thanks for doing that, much appreciated! Hmm, that's not too bad actually. I guess I'd have to step up to the B5s if I really wanted it to match. I still need to determine if the B4s/5s will be too imposing in the corners, they would be pretty close to the listening positions.


No problem! Yeah even the B4's are pretty big for the rears, but I quickly got used to them and they sound great. The only reason I really wanted B5's for the rear was maybe to do 5.0.4 but the A4's have already become incredibly rare, I knew by the time I upgraded to a 9 channel receiver they would be impossible to find, so no real loss with the B4's there. Also running an additional pair of speaker wires to the rear of my room wasn't too appealing since my receiver is up front. Can't say I would know the benefits of doing just two Atmos in the front or two in the back, but not sure how much longer the Debut 1.0 speakers will be around (besides second hand models) so best to figure out what you want sooner than later.

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Curious if other owners of the B6, and like ELAC speakers, remove the tweeter grill or keep it on?

When they were tested it was said that best to leave the cover off, but leave the metal tweeter grill on (this is for the original Debut's).
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No problem! Yeah even the B4's are pretty big for the rears, but I quickly got used to them and they sound great. The only reason I really wanted B5's for the rear was maybe to do 5.0.4 but the A4's have already become incredibly rare, I knew by the time I upgraded to a 9 channel receiver they would be impossible to find, so no real loss with the B4's there. Also running an additional pair of speaker wires to the rear of my room wasn't too appealing since my receiver is up front. Can't say I would know the benefits of doing just two Atmos in the front or two in the back, but not sure how much longer the Debut 1.0 speakers will be around (besides second hand models) so best to figure out what you want sooner than later.
I somewhat regret not going for a 9 channel receiver, but it was a pretty big price jump and I couldn't quite rationalize it. I do have an old set of Polk bookshelf speakers that are similar in size to the B4s, I might try those and moving the A4s to see if it's worth it. Kind of wish Andrew Jones had done a similar all-in-one Atmos enabled bookshelf for Elac, like in the Pioneers.

Wiring is also an issue for me. Right now the wires for the 2 surrounds run along the floor. I've yet to determine if it's feasible to go install keystone jacks in the wall and run the wires through the basement.
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No problem! Yeah even the B4's are pretty big for the rears, but I quickly got used to them and they sound great. The only reason I really wanted B5's for the rear was maybe to do 5.0.4 but the A4's have already become incredibly rare, I knew by the time I upgraded to a 9 channel receiver they would be impossible to find, so no real loss with the B4's there. Also running an additional pair of speaker wires to the rear of my room wasn't too appealing since my receiver is up front. Can't say I would know the benefits of doing just two Atmos in the front or two in the back, but not sure how much longer the Debut 1.0 speakers will be around (besides second hand models) so best to figure out what you want sooner than later.
I use B6 as rears , over kill yes, but it's blending well with B6.2 and C5.2 in fronts. The audyssey though sets always at 0 or +1 whether its in fronts or rears.

I may slightly turn it towards the MLP instead of facing the other end of the speaker

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Hey Elac owners. I've been lookng at the 6.2 bookshelves and the 6.2 center. I'm coming from the Polk RTiA line which I feel is too bright. Does anyone here have thoughts on if this would be a lateral move for me? I'm looking for a warmer sound. I listen at pretty high volumes.

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Hey Elac owners. I've been lookng at the 6.2 bookshelves and the 6.2 center. I'm coming from the Polk RTiA line which I feel is too bright. Does anyone here have thoughts on if this would be a lateral move for me? I'm looking for a warmer sound. I listen at pretty high volumes.
this is probably a better match for dual use than the wharfedale's you posted about.. these are more towards neutral than any WD i have listened to..

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Hey Elac owners. I've been lookng at the 6.2 bookshelves and the 6.2 center. I'm coming from the Polk RTiA line which I feel is too bright. Does anyone here have thoughts on if this would be a lateral move for me? I'm looking for a warmer sound. I listen at pretty high volumes.
I have three setups, Polks, Monitor Audio, and ELAC. Granted, the low-end line for each, so I'm not a big spender.

Of the three, I found the ELAC to be the darkest, which took some time to get used to. But after the break-in and adjustment period, it's my favorite of the three. A very comfortable, non-fatiguing listen. And ELAC is not really lacking in any brightness, it just doesn't highlight the very high frequencies like other speakers.
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Hey Elac owners. I've been lookng at the 6.2 bookshelves and the 6.2 center. I'm coming from the Polk RTiA line which I feel is too bright. Does anyone here have thoughts on if this would be a lateral move for me? I'm looking for a warmer sound. I listen at pretty high volumes.
this is probably a better match for dual use than the wharfedale's you posted about.. these are more towards neutral than any WD i have listened to..
I can pick up and return the elacs locally, so I think I'm going to go pick them up today and listen to them at home.
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