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post #2221 of 2807 Old 07-18-2018, 08:55 AM
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I have decided to give these speakers a try, will be getting the 6.2 for L & R, and will either get the 6.2 or 5.2 for the C speaker. Will I be giving up much if I go with the 5.2 for the center?

My main purpose for these speakers (L & R) will be for listening to music, would the bookshelf or towers be better for that purpose? I see the towers have the open port in the rear and I will need to have these pretty close to a wall, about 8-12 inches, will that be an issue? I have a SVS subwoofer so I am not concerned with either of the speakers having to handle the low frequencies.

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I have decided to give these speakers a try, will be getting the 6.2 for L & R, and will either get the 6.2 or 5.2 for the C speaker. Will I be giving up much if I go with the 5.2 for the center?

My main purpose for these speakers (L & R) will be for listening to music, would the bookshelf or towers be better for that purpose? I see the towers have the open port in the rear and I will need to have these pretty close to a wall, about 8-12 inches, will that be an issue? I have a SVS subwoofer so I am not concerned with either of the speakers having to handle the low frequencies.

Thanks for your help.

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I'm using (2) B6.2's along with a C6.2 center as my fronts. The B6.2's are mounted on Monoprice Monolith speaker stands and are about 8" from the wall. The front ported design definitely works for close placement. These speakers sound great with home theater and music. Your question about whether the C5.2 would work well with the B6.2's or F6.2's, I think it would blend right in. Since you are already using a sub, the B6.2's should be all you need.



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I have decided to give these speakers a try, will be getting the 6.2 for L & R, and will either get the 6.2 or 5.2 for the C speaker. Will I be giving up much if I go with the 5.2 for the center?

My main purpose for these speakers (L & R) will be for listening to music, would the bookshelf or towers be better for that purpose? I see the towers have the open port in the rear and I will need to have these pretty close to a wall, about 8-12 inches, will that be an issue? I have a SVS subwoofer so I am not concerned with either of the speakers having to handle the low frequencies.

Thanks for your help.

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I really enjoyed the b6.2 and c6.2 I think its worth getting over the 5.2.

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C6.2 is a decently large speaker. Make sure you have enough room before you order it. I went C5.2 because I was limited in height.

But if you're running a sub, I think the B6.2's would be all that you need for your L/R fronts. You could do towers, but honestly not sure if you need them or not. The B6.2's sound good with both music and home theater if you have a sub.
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I have had the 6.2's for about a month now and I am very happy with them, I have the L+R and the center. I moved into a larger home with vaulted ceilings and was worried if they would fill the space, I have been pleasantly surprised. I run them with two 10" Klipsch subs.

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UNI-FI UF5's at 6 ohms or A4.2's at 4 ohms?

Hey everyone, just had a quick question regarding Elac's A4.2 atmos speakers...

I recently picked up a full UNI-FI set at Elac's B-stock sale. I also purchased a pair of Elac A4.2 atmos speakers. My receiver can drive speakers at 4 ohms without a problem. With that being said, is it better to set my receiver to 4 ohms, or to consider the atmos speakers and set everything to 6 ohms?

I am crossing everything over at 80hz except for the atmos speakers, which I am crossing over at 180hz.

Would I be hearing any sound quality loss with the uni's at 6 ohms, even though I'm not really using any of them at full range? Could I damage the atmos speakers if played below 6 ohms, even with that crossover point?

Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Hey everyone, just had a quick question regarding Elac's A4.2 atmos speakers...

I recently picked up a full UNI-FI set at Elac's B-stock sale. I also purchased a pair of Elac A4.2 atmos speakers. My receiver can drive speakers at 4 ohms without a problem. With that being said, is it better to set my receiver to 4 ohms, or to consider the atmos speakers and set everything to 6 ohms?

I am crossing everything over at 80hz except for the atmos speakers, which I am crossing over at 180hz.

Would I be hearing any sound quality loss with the uni's at 6 ohms, even though I'm not really using any of them at full range? Could I damage the atmos speakers if played below 6 ohms, even with that crossover point?

Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks!
I'd run them at 8, people worry too much about these speakers. The avrant podcast frequently discusses this. You should be able to find it on their Youtube channel.
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I'd run them at 8, people worry too much about these speakers. The avrant podcast frequently discusses this. You should be able to find it on their Youtube channel.
Thanks for your feedback! I will take a listen!!
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Was looking for the Elac Debut thread days ago to no avail to ask this question...

I'm looking to install 2 overhead speakers to create a 5.1.2 Atmos setup out of my existing Elac Debut speakers (F5 towers, B5 bookshelf surrounds, C5 center channel). Elac has a few in-ceiling Debut-branded speakers but they're $200-$250 each and make no mention of Atmos as their intended purpose.

Can in anyone chime in on this or what others have done? Would I be better served trying to track down a set of the now-discontinued A4 atmos add-ons that bounce sound off the ceiling instead?

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I'm looking to install 2 overhead speakers to create a 5.1.2 Atmos setup out of my existing Elac Debut speakers (F5 towers, B5 bookshelf surrounds, C5 center channel). Elac has a few in-ceiling Debut-branded speakers but they're $200-$250 each and make no mention of Atmos as their intended purpose.



Can in anyone chime in on this or what others have done? Would I be better served trying to track down a set of the now-discontinued A4 atmos add-ons that bounce sound off the ceiling instead?



https://www.elac.com/product/ic-d61-w/?r=us


In ceiling is really the best way to go, I mean I enjoy my A4's for sure but dedicated ceiling speakers are the ultimate way to enjoy Atmos and DTS X content.

The only reason not to do the ceiling speakers is due to complexity of install/if you rent like myself. But even then I think you'll have a real hell of a time trying to track down some original A4's, you could always use the new A4.2 but the styling/size doesn't match nearly as well, soundwise however they should be the same.

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Hey everyone, just had a quick question regarding Elac's A4.2 atmos speakers...

I recently picked up a full UNI-FI set at Elac's B-stock sale. I also purchased a pair of Elac A4.2 atmos speakers. My receiver can drive speakers at 4 ohms without a problem. With that being said, is it better to set my receiver to 4 ohms, or to consider the atmos speakers and set everything to 6 ohms?

I am crossing everything over at 80hz except for the atmos speakers, which I am crossing over at 180hz.

Would I be hearing any sound quality loss with the uni's at 6 ohms, even though I'm not really using any of them at full range? Could I damage the atmos speakers if played below 6 ohms, even with that crossover point?

Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks!
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A4.2 - As long as you crossover at 180hz the A4.2 should be fine. They are a 6 ohm speaker.

UF5 - If your receiver is not getting hot or clipping keep the settings at 8ohm.

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Hey Myrn,

A4.2 - As long as you crossover at 180hz the A4.2 should be fine. They are a 6 ohm speaker.

UF5 - If your receiver is not getting hot or clipping keep the settings at 8ohm.

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I recently picked up a full UNI-FI set at Elac's B-stock sale. I also purchased a pair of Elac A4.2 atmos speakers...

I really wanted to get a set of the Debut IC-DT61-W in-ceiling atmos speakers (angled at 30 degrees), but I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Anyone notice if these were in the B-stock sale?

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I really wanted to get a set of the Debut IC-DT61-W in-ceiling atmos speakers (angled at 30 degrees), but I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Anyone notice if these were in the B-stock sale?
There was a list on the wall with what they had available. I don't recall seeing that model number, but I could be wrong.
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Currently running B6 as rear speakers in this tight space (see pic).

Will ow4.2 placed on wall will be more ideal than this as sometimes I feel I am too close to sounds coming from surrounds... And my listening space is close to walls

I have B6.2 and c5.2 in fronts...

Hope the wide dispersion on the new debuts will take care of not having to slide the surrounds towards the MLP.

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In my main theater, I have my surrounds slightly in front of me angled away from the mlp. It's mostly for what I consider gratuitous surround sound, like sports clapping/cheering that I find annoying. I have 2 Atmos speakers overhead too, so that does some filling in.
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In my main theater, I have my surrounds slightly in front of me angled away from the mlp. It's mostly for what I consider gratuitous surround sound, like sports clapping/cheering that I find annoying. I have 2 Atmos speakers overhead too, so that does some filling in.
Hi...What surrounds you use?

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I have 2 sets, RBH/EMP downstairs and Elac Unifi upstairs. The EMP system is 5.4.4 and the Elac is 5.1. Someday I may bring the Elac downstairs, but the Unifi center is flat and my TV sits on top, the other is curved so I'd have to mount the tv. It's sort of a waste having Unifi as the surrounds, but I don't have anywhere else for them. The Elacs are far enough from the mlp that they don't annoy me, but the EMP bookshelves are about 2 feet from my head. They are pointed straight and just in front of the mlp.

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So I just picked up a Marantz 6012 AVR on sale and ran Audyssey Multeq XT32. It gives me the option off turning of midrange compensation on my speakers. Is it best to keep it on or turn it off on Elac Uni-Fi's?

I have a 5.1.4 setup with all uni-fi's (two floorstanding, one center, two bookshelf). The atmos speakers are the debuts.

Currently I have midrange comp off on everything except the atmos speakers.
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Well I'm not sure if my x4200 has it, but this explains what it's doing.

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-u...e-Compensation

Midrange Compensation

Midrange compensation is an intentional dip in the 2 kHz region where the vast majority of tweeter-to-midrange crossovers are. In that region the tweeter is at the low end of its range and the midrange at the high end of its range and the directivity of the speaker goes through major changes. We found that if that region is equalized to flat, the change in direct to reflected ratio that happens because of the directivity variations causes voices to sound harsh (among other things). So, we have this implemented in the Audyssey target curve. With MultEQ Pro you can choose to turn it off, but we don't recommend it. This notion was observed 40 years ago by BBC speaker designers in their studio monitors. They designed their speakers with this "BBC dip" intentionally in the speaker response.

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All the speakers have the same crossover, I have 5.1 ub/c5

Crossover frequency: 270 / 2,700 Hz
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where are the new Argo speakers? i am interested in the B51 and it has not been released yet!!!
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I really wanted to get a set of the Debut IC-DT61-W in-ceiling atmos speakers (angled at 30 degrees), but I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Anyone notice if these were in the B-stock sale?
They were making excellent deals on products that weren't on the last as well. I picked up two 3010 subs for a 3d less then the price of only one new. They didn't even have a make on them. I also picked up a cc stand at half price... none of these were on the list for the sale...
I heard rumors of another sale in November...
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Thought some folks might be interested in this, haven't got to watch it myself.

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I've been posting in a thread I started this weekend on an issue I'm having with my current setup. I currently have Elemental Design 6T6 3 Way Towers for the front and the 6T6 MTM for the center. Quite large speakers. I've never been happy with the center and recently, with a new Denon AVR-X3400H receiver, and a new calibration, I've realized how weak it sounds. Talking with folks on AVS over the last few days, it appears Elemental Designs had issues with Mid Range frequencies and a bad crossover. I'd like to upgrade, but will most likely just upgrade the Center channel first to get a little more "UMPH" to my system as the center sounds a little Tinny for now. I've done many of the suggestions from posters and nothing has improved it, so sounds like I need an upgrade.

My room is 13' Wide and 19' Long. It's a Dedicated HT room, yet a budget room. The Suspended ceiling is only 7'4" from front wall to about 11' back, then it drops down about 8" to get under Duct work and I have a riser there with a second row, so the ceiling would be less than 6' from 11' back to the back wall that is 19'. I have Absorption Panels at the first reflection points on my side walls. My PJ screen is a 120" screen. Due to low ceiling and a large screen, my center speaker sits low to the ground and is angled up. It's the only choice I have with the screen size I have.

I do NOT like bright sounding speakers or Harsh sounding speakers. I was told the Elac are "Neutral", is this correct?

I'd like to get the Debut 2.0 C6.2 Center Speaker. For those that have this Center, is the Dialogue clear and does it produce some umph to it with Deep voices?

Not sure if I should go with the Debut 2.0 F5.2 or 6.2 Towers. I listen fairly loud. Not quite to reference level, but depending on how the movie was mixed, I can get it close to Reference. Thoughts?
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Hi guys. I'm following up on recent discussions I've had at the KEF Owners Thread, as well as a thread I started myself asking for tips on a US$2k setup. After many, many hours reading up, and looking at options, ELAC is currently among the most competitive options I have available. I live in the Dominican Republic and will be ordering from the US - meaning I'll have to order blind (no way for me to test anything decent anywhere in the country), and I have no way of "auditioning" since return shipping would be super expensive. I have to get this right on the first try.

The 5.1 ELAC setup I'm eyeballing right now is 2x Uni-Fi UB5 pairs (FL/FR/SL/SR) + a Uni-Fi UC5 Center, paired with an Emotiva SubX 8 and a Denon x3400H.

I know the subwoofer is on the weak side, but this is for a 120 sq ft room in an apartment, and I can't go nuts with the bass without upsetting neighbors. The other big contender I'm considering is a similarly-priced 3.1 KEF Q350 + Q650 with the same sub and AVR.

My big concern with the ELAC Uni-Fi 5.1 option is, I keep hearing about how demanding these things are in terms of power because of the 4 ohm nominal impedance. I've read numerous sources claiming that this is significantly less of an issue if you have a subwoofer and cross over the power-thirsty low frequencies to it. That being said: do you wager an x3400H would handle 4x UB5 + 1x UC5?

Also, I figure I could save about US$200-250 if I go with a Debut 2.0 B6.2 (or even SVS Prime Satellites) pair as Surround Left/Right. Would this be a significant compromise? My usage is split fairly evenly between gaming, music and streamed movies/TV. And I'm coming from a world of TV audio and cheap soundbars/bluetooth speakers, so it's not like I have any decent baseline to compare this to when I eventually go for it.
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The Elac Uni-Fi...a $350 speaker that needs a $3500 amp.

I was reading your other thread too. With your setup and decor, I'm not sure why you're not taking the Wharfedale recommendation.
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Hi guys. I'm following up on recent discussions I've had at the KEF Owners Thread, as well as a thread I started myself asking for tips on a US$2k setup. After many, many hours reading up, and looking at options, ELAC is currently among the most competitive options I have available. I live in the Dominican Republic and will be ordering from the US - meaning I'll have to order blind (no way for me to test anything decent anywhere in the country), and I have no way of "auditioning" since return shipping would be super expensive. I have to get this right on the first try.

The 5.1 ELAC setup I'm eyeballing right now is 2x Uni-Fi UB5 pairs (FL/FR/SL/SR) + a Uni-Fi UC5 Center, paired with an Emotiva SubX 8 and a Denon x3400H.

I know the subwoofer is on the weak side, but this is for a 120 sq ft room in an apartment, and I can't go nuts with the bass without upsetting neighbors. The other big contender I'm considering is a similarly-priced 3.1 KEF Q350 + Q650 with the same sub and AVR.

My big concern with the ELAC Uni-Fi 5.1 option is, I keep hearing about how demanding these things are in terms of power because of the 4 ohm nominal impedance. I've read numerous sources claiming that this is significantly less of an issue if you have a subwoofer and cross over the power-thirsty low frequencies to it. That being said: do you wager an x3400H would handle 4x UB5 + 1x UC5?

Also, I figure I could save about US$200-250 if I go with a Debut 2.0 B6.2 (or even SVS Prime Satellites) pair as Surround Left/Right. Would this be a significant compromise? My usage is split fairly evenly between gaming, music and streamed movies/TV. And I'm coming from a world of TV audio and cheap soundbars/bluetooth speakers, so it's not like I have any decent baseline to compare this to when I eventually go for it.
You'd be fine. These aren't the most efficient speakers in the world, but otherwise easy to drive, 4 ohm or 8 ohm.
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The Elac Uni-Fi...a $350 speaker that needs a $3500 amp.

I was reading your other thread too. With your setup and decor, I'm not sure why you're not taking the Wharfedale recommendation.
Hey! I checked the Wharfedale options listed in the thread but they all seemed to be Towers. I can't fit those with the room setup, I have to go for bookshelves. I was also pointed towards Q Acoustics Concept 20 but those aren't available at all on Amazon.

Looking through the Diamond bookshelves available on Amazon, I see 10.2, 10.2, 210, 220, and 225 as the listed options (but only the 220C as a Center option). I admit I could have made a bigger effort in studying this option rather than ignoring it, but the vast number of options and limited Amazon reviews made me kind of put it on the back burner.

I'll start reading up and looking for reviews about these!
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You'd be fine. These aren't the most efficient speakers in the world, but otherwise easy to drive, 4 ohm or 8 ohm.
For home theater, and going Elac, I'd think the B6.2 might be the sweet spot powered by the Denon 3400 he's thinking of getting, no?

https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Bo.../dp/B07B4Q5587

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