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I've read some conflicting opinions on the Uni-Fi. Everything from "6.2 was clearly better I switched back" to "Uni-Fi is in a different league it's a huge upgrade."
While you can run the Debut 2.0 on entry level AVR's you likely need a better AVR (100 wpc) for the Uni-Fi so, with the Uni-Fi, you get a technically better speaker driven by a better amplifier so should result in better sound. With similar amplifier to the Uni-Fi the Debut sounds better as well and the differences may be slight. Also, the Debut has now gone thru 2 upgrades and should be getting better while the Uni-Fi is still an original design, now a few yrs old. Hoping to see a Uni-Fi upgrade this yr from Elac, unfortunately however also expecting a price increase.
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I've read some conflicting opinions on the Uni-Fi. Everything from "6.2 was clearly better I switched back" to "Uni-Fi is in a different league it's a huge upgrade."
Take every Uni-Fi review with a grain of salt if they don't reveal the amp that they are using.

And there is no way that the Debut 5.2/6.2 is even in the same class as the Uni-Fi...the Debut .2 is a noticeable step down in pretty much every aspect.
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Correct; the Kef R3 is the successor to the R300. My understanding is the R3 has more bass and a newer tweeter, but both models apparently sound quite similar.

I have a pair of older B&W DM601 S3's that I really like, so those are now in my bedroom. I also had B&W 684's for a bit, along with the UB5's too. For my ear and room, kept coming back to the older B&W 601's for whatever reason.

It's interesting you say you feel the B&W's may be a bit too bright for you, and that the ELAC's are more neutral or warm. I would say for myself, I'd flip that statement. But everyone hears different. Definitely test KEF for your brightness concerns, as the consensus is they are a brighter speaker. I can tell a difference with their grills on vs off, which may help your preference.

I hadn't tried out any KEF's until recently, as I didn't want LS50's... But I am glad I did. These R300's (higher price, better and beefier design) are in a different category than all the prior speakers I've tried. I could be happy with any of them... But now that I've experienced a true higher end speaker, there is no going backwards. I might bring in a pair of Adante's soon to compare, as I am really about vocals.
I took your advice and bought the Kef R3. Got a fantastic deal. I'm absolutely blown away by how they sound. Absolutely amazing. Gonna move the uni-fi's to the rears now. Thank you for your help!
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I took your advice and bought the Kef R3. Got a fantastic deal. I'm absolutely blown away by how they sound. Absolutely amazing. Gonna move the uni-fi's to the rears now. Thank you for your help!
Moving up to a higher end speaker, regardless of vendor... Pretty legit huh? I am very happy with my current setup now. Glad to hear you're stoked too! Enjoy!!
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Any experience with the Carina speakers ?

I'm anxious to hear some opinions on the Carina speaker line. In particular, how are they for HT ?
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Using 4 UB5s and a UC5 for a home theater. Plan to expand to 7.1, 7.1.2 or 5.1.4.
Trying to decide which Denon receiver to buy to run them. I plan to buy additional external amplification later, but would will only have the receiver for a while.

Considering the ohm rating of these speakers and their preference for more amplification, would the wattage difference between the AVR-X3600H and AVR-X4500H matter?

I ask because i had read that:
4500H pushes 250w @ 4ohms (stereo)
3600h pushes 175w @ 4ohms (Stereo)

That seems like a significant difference. Does is matter? Does the difference diminish when running 5 or more speakers?


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Using 4 UB5s and a UC5 for a home theater. Plan to expand to 7.1, 7.1.2 or 5.1.4.
Trying to decide which Denon receiver to buy to run them. I plan to buy additional external amplification later, but would will only have the receiver for a while.

Considering the ohm rating of these speakers and their preference for more amplification, would the wattage difference between the AVR-X3600H and AVR-X4500H matter?

I ask because i had read that:
4500H pushes 250w @ 4ohms (stereo)
3600h pushes 175w @ 4ohms (Stereo)

That seems like a significant difference. Does is matter? Does the difference diminish when running 5 or more speakers?


Thanks
@Viche - I've been using a seven speaker set of Uni-Fi's with a Denon 3500H for about a year and half now. Mostly used for movies and shows, with volume ranging from -25 to -10. No issues to report.
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Using 4 UB5s and a UC5 for a home theater. Plan to expand to 7.1, 7.1.2 or 5.1.4.
Trying to decide which Denon receiver to buy to run them. I plan to buy additional external amplification later, but would will only have the receiver for a while.

Considering the ohm rating of these speakers and their preference for more amplification, would the wattage difference between the AVR-X3600H and AVR-X4500H matter?

I ask because i had read that:
4500H pushes 250w @ 4ohms (stereo)
3600h pushes 175w @ 4ohms (Stereo)

That seems like a significant difference. Does is matter? Does the difference diminish when running 5 or more speakers?


Thanks
Just curious, but why not go to a 5.1.2 as a first step and use your existing avr ? Next step, add a power amp (Outlaw ??), then expand to the new avr down the road (maybe they'll come down in price or add new features ... one can only hope) and then a 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 speaker setup.

BTW - how does the Elac UC5 do for HT dialog ?
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Just curious, but why not go to a 5.1.2 as a first step and use your existing avr ? Next step, add a power amp (Outlaw ??), then expand to the new avr down the road (maybe they'll come down in price or add new features ... one can only hope) and then a 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 speaker setup.

BTW - how does the Elac UC5 do for HT dialog ?
That's what I had before Atmos, then I got a Denon X4200 and external amp and went 5.4.4. Then I went to an X6400 and the 4200 went into the bedroom where the Elacs are. No need for anything beyond 5.1 there. The x2100 I had before that has plenty of power for ub/c5, but others insist they don't....
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@Viche - I've been using a seven speaker set of Uni-Fi's with a Denon 3500H for about a year and half now. Mostly used for movies and shows, with volume ranging from -25 to -10. No issues to report.
Thanks...good to know

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Just curious, but why not go to a 5.1.2 as a first step and use your existing avr ? Next step, add a power amp (Outlaw ??), then expand to the new avr down the road (maybe they'll come down in price or add new features ... one can only hope) and then a 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 speaker setup.

BTW - how does the Elac UC5 do for HT dialog ?
Because I don't have an AVR at all right now
So I also don't know how it holds up for dialogue. I hope it does well!

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That's what I had before Atmos, then I got a Denon X4200 and external amp and went 5.4.4. Then I went to an X6400 and the 4200 went into the bedroom where the Elacs are. No need for anything beyond 5.1 there. The x2100 I had before that has plenty of power for ub/c5, but others insist they don't....
The thing that confuses me is that when you ask about receiver power differences on this forum....for example 100 vsd 150 watts, people will say: a 50% power increase only equals a 1db increase (or whatever minimal value). But then they claim that external amplification is a great addition to your set up. Assuming the 3600/4500 puts out 80 watts per channel in 7.1 mode, and an external amp boosts that to even 160 watts, wouldn't the same argument hold true? Won't even doubling your power result in minimal differences?
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The thing that confuses me is that when you ask about receiver power differences on this forum....for example 100 vsd 150 watts, people will say: a 50% power increase only equals a 1db increase (or whatever minimal value). But then they claim that external amplification is a great addition to your set up. Assuming the 3600/4500 puts out 80 watts per channel in 7.1 mode, and an external amp boosts that to even 160 watts, wouldn't the same argument hold true? Won't even doubling your power result in minimal differences?

Because the db increase isn't necessarily wrong, but it also doesn't tell the entire story. It takes a lot of (reserve) power to make a small 4ohm bookshelf speaker with 85db sensitivity belt out a bass note. These are the dynamics that are lacking from low-powered AVR's with a speaker like the Uni-Fi.

If you are crossing them over at 80Hz or so to a sub, then likely you might not notice (as much) the lack of dynamics, but the Uni-Fi tends to get "shouty" and shrill when pushed hard with too little power. It still gets loud, but not a good loud.

The Uni-Fi likes power and needs it to really sound its best, period.
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Sorry to cut in but I'm currently trying different bookshelf speakers in my new small 12' x 16' x 8' dedicated home theater. After several listening sessions I've so far narrowed my choices down to the JBL Studio 530s and Elac Debut 2.0 B6.2. I'm currently running one SVS PB-2000 sub however plan on going dual very soon. The amplifier I'm using is a Denon X3600h so I'm not too concerned about impedance of 6 to 4 ohms. Since I'm running dual 12" subs I will not need towers for the LCR which will keep the cost inline with my budget. My question is does the Elac Uni-Fi UB5 sound similar to either or is it a completely different sounding experience altogether. I heard they are much better than the Elac Debut 2.0 series but how different exactly? I realize everyone's opinion may be different but felt it was worth asking. I'm thinking about demoing a pair just to be sure.
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The Uni-Fi is a true 3-way bookshelf with a concentric high/midrange. It definitely sounds better than the Debut 2.0's in terms of soundstage, imaging, etc. Bass is way better (with a stout amp), but since you're crossing over to sub that might not matter.

How many Uni-Fi's will you be driving with the AVR though?

For the record, I own both the Uni-Fi tower and bookshelf. While both sound much the same, the tower more effortlessly fills/pressurizes a room with sound and has a much larger presence.
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Right now I'm trying to pick out decent enough speakers for my LCR without going over $1,500. I'm not expecting to spend nearly as much for my surrounds and ceiling for Atmos. So I would only be running two of them with a matching center. This will be used in a 5.2.4 setup for movies only. Going with towers would be nice but the bookshelf speakers are good enough for right now. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if the Uni-Fi's are more engaging than the Debut 2.0's. From what I'm hearing they seem to be. I've already demoed the Klipsch R-51M and felt they were too bright for my taste when it came to vocals and dialog. However I did enjoy the detail I was hearing in the sound effects which is why I eventually favored the JBL Studio 5 series. The Debut 2.0 though not as engaging to my ears as the JBL's sounded amazing also.
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Hi everyone -

I'm currently building out my basement and I plan to purchase a projector for movies/sports. Along with the projector I need a new AVR and speaker system. I currently have a pair of Energy RC-10's that I purchased a 6-7 years ago, but I was hoping to buy all new.

One set of speakers that I have my eye on are the discontinued Elac F6's. Frye's is selling these for $199 each which I feel is a great price. I would use these along with an Elac center channel for a 3.0 system. I figure with the towers, I could get by without a sub for now. Thoughts on the F6's at that price? Thoughts in general?

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I figure with the towers, I could get by without a sub for now.
Movies always require subs unless you’re watching silent films. Two subs is better than one. Four subs is better than two.
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I have 4 in my main theater 5.4.4, one where the Elacs are 5.1, not bad for a bedroom!.
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I'm currently building out my basement and I plan to purchase a projector for movies/sports. Along with the projector I need a new AVR and speaker system. I currently have a pair of Energy RC-10's that I purchased a 6-7 years ago, but I was hoping to buy all new.

One set of speakers that I have my eye on are the discontinued Elac F6's. Frye's is selling these for $199 each which I feel is a great price. I would use these along with an Elac center channel for a 3.0 system. I figure with the towers, I could get by without a sub for now. Thoughts on the F6's at that price? Thoughts in general?

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I'm not a huge fan of the original Debut's for home theater. But, they absolutely kick @ss for music. The Debut .2's are the better home theater speaker. Honestly you'd probably be better off waiting for the F5.2 towers to go back on sale again as I've seen them for $199/piece. But you'll absolutely need a sub with those as they have very little bass presence under 60Hz or so.

And Fry's still has some new in box original F6's available?

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I'm not a huge fan of the original Debut's for home theater. But, they absolutely kick @ss for music. The Debut .2's are the better home theater speaker. Honestly you'd probably be better off waiting for the F5.2 towers to go back on sale again as I've seen them for $199/piece. But you'll absolutely need a sub with those as they have very little bass presence under 60Hz or so.

And Frye's still has some new in box original F6's available?
Yup, they have the F6's for $199 each and the F5's for $129 each.
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Yup, they have the F6's for $199 each and the F5's for $129 each.

F5's would be better for home theater than the F6's would be. Not as good as the .2's, but the dialogue comes through better on the F5's vs the F6's.

Then, take the money saved and buy a sub.

I don't have any Fry's local to me but it looks like they may ship them. Hmmm...
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At $199 per tower for my F6.2 and $139 for my C6.2, I would be hard pressed to find a more worthwhile deal. Upgrade sure, but I am pretty darn content with the setup I have.
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So I just noticed the prices on the recent Amazon sale. Did they increase the pricing of the ELAC Debut 2.0 speakers recently? They used to be a lot lower I feel like.
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So I just noticed the prices on the recent Amazon sale. Did they increase the pricing of the ELAC Debut 2.0 speakers recently? They used to be a lot lower I feel like.
CamelCamelCamel would have the answer.

No affiliation, but I use their "Camelizer" chrome extension to check Amazon price history.
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I’ve got a camel alert the next time the Uni-Fi floorstanders come down to $299 each.
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I am about to purchase Uni-Fi system in current sale. My Room dimensions 19Ft X 15Ft. 100% usage for movies in theater room with JVC NX7 Proj.

Planning to go for 5.1.4 (expand to 7.1.4) Fronts - Uni-Fi UF5, Center - Uni-Fi UC5, Rears - Uni-Fi UB5. Atmos - 4 InCieling spkrs IC-D61.

Any recommendations for Amp to drive all of 5.1.4? When I am ready to add the sides, will go for additional amp. Also appreciate any suggestions/advises.
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Any recommendations for Amp to drive all of 5.1.4? When I am ready to add the sides, will go for additional amp. Also appreciate any suggestions/advises.
The more power the better.

If you’re handy, then whichever DIY class D amp kit you like best (Hypex, ICEpower, etc.). So figure $300-$600 per channel times 9 channels = $2700-$5400 depending on power level, case and other details like wire and connectors.

If you don’t want a project, then look at ATI.
You could do the AT523NC 3-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) @ $2,595.00 for your L/C/R and then a AT526NC 6-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) @ $3,795.00 for your rear surrounds and overhead ($6,390 total).

https://www.ati-amp.com/AT52XNC.php

But if you don’t want to spend that kind of money on amplification or separates, then whichever AVR you like.
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The more power the better.

If you’re handy, then whichever DIY class D amp kit you like best (Hypex, ICEpower, etc.). So figure $300-$600 per channel times 9 channels = $2700-$5400 depending on power level, case and other details like wire and connectors.

If you don’t want a project, then look at ATI.
You could do the AT523NC 3-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) @ $2,595.00 for your L/C/R and then a AT526NC 6-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) @ $3,795.00 for your rear surrounds and overhead ($6,390 total).

https://www.ati-amp.com/AT52XNC.php

But if you don’t want to spend that kind of money on amplification or separates, then whichever AVR you like.
Thanks a lot for taking time. Appreciate your suggestion on ATI, it seems the right thing for these speakers. Right now I am looking for best possible Amp solution that can drive all channels in price below 2.5K.
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CamelCamelCamel would have the answer.

No affiliation, but I use their "Camelizer" chrome extension to check Amazon price history.
Thank you for that info. Appears the price hike took place 3/30/2020, so very recently!
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CamelCamelCamel would have the answer.

No affiliation, but I use their "Camelizer" chrome extension to check Amazon price history.
Thank you for that info. Appears the price hike took place 3/30/2020, so very recently!
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