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Glad I stumbled upon this thread.
I'm thinking of adding front heights because frankly I don't feel like putting in ceiling speakers.
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I have a spare pair of Def Tech pm800's laying around and was thinking of using them for front heights. My question is should i swap those smaller 800's to rear surround duty and use the 1000's for the front heights, or just use the 800's?

Would it make any noticeable difference either way?
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As a DefTech person I can say that I think you will notice a difference and should swap them, even when comparing the Overhead layer to the Bed Layer, in general I would always try and use my better speaker in the more forward positions, simply because of the way human hearing works and we are much more likely to hear subtle differences in front or to the side of us than behind us.
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As a DefTech person I can say that I think you will notice a difference and should swap them, even when comparing the Overhead layer to the Bed Layer, in general I would always try and use my better speaker in the more forward positions, simply because of the way human hearing works and we are much more likely to hear subtle differences in front or to the side of us than behind us.
Thank you kind sir, easy enough to do so I'll go with that
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Ok, so I'll be installing the front heights tomorrow. Quick question, when watching a movie with native atmos, do you prefer the Neural:X upmixing or atmos?
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bumping this thread...

i currently have a denon x3300 and a 5.1 setup. i am planning to buy 2 bookshelf speakers and set them as freight height (only place i can put additional speakers since the living room is a 20+ ft. vaulted ceiling). will my existing 5.1 plus the 2 height speakers roughly 3-4 ft above the front towers be sufficient to gain additional use of the last 2 channels on my AVR?
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i currently have a denon x3300 and a 5.1 setup. i am planning to buy 2 bookshelf speakers and set them as freight height (only place i can put additional speakers since the living room is a 20+ ft. vaulted ceiling). will my existing 5.1 plus the 2 height speakers roughly 3-4 ft above the front towers be sufficient to gain additional use of the last 2 channels on my AVR?
I'm in the same boat. Although I was looking to install the front heights closer to the ceiling (not vaulted). My front heights would be around 36-48" higher than my L/R's. My receiver only supports two atmos speakers, so I would only be able to run the fronts.

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i currently have a denon x3300 and a 5.1 setup. i am planning to buy 2 bookshelf speakers and set them as freight height (only place i can put additional speakers since the living room is a 20+ ft. vaulted ceiling). will my existing 5.1 plus the 2 height speakers roughly 3-4 ft above the front towers be sufficient to gain additional use of the last 2 channels on my AVR?


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I'm in the same boat. Although I was looking to install the front heights closer to the ceiling (not vaulted). My front heights would be around 36-48" higher than my L/R's. My receiver only supports two atmos speakers, so I would only be able to run the fronts.

While only having 9' ceilings, I felt like having front heights was an improvement (I'm thinking the effect with a vaulted ceiling would be even more noticeable).
And then going from PLIIZ w/heights to Atmos with FH, and the same exact locations, was another step up from there, if for nothing else than the more discrete nature of Atmos and object placement.

When talking about using Heights only, the normal suggestion for a x.x.2 setup, would be use them as TM placed in the side wall, at ceiling height, within the plane of the TM angles.

But honestly, it's going to depend a lot on the content, while Side Wall (TM) placement will give you a better feeling of overall space and overhead effect, FH mounting will give you a more discrete placement of sounds that pan with the entire scope of the screen, up, down, across and diagonally. It may simply be a case of, if you can, experiment with both, before permanent mounting.

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While only having 9' ceilings, I felt like having front heights was an improvement (I'm thinking the effect with a vaulted ceiling would be even more noticeable).
And then going from PLIIZ w/heights to Atmos with FH, and the same exact locations, was another step up from there, if for nothing else than the more discrete nature of Atmos and object placement.

When talking about using Heights only, the normal suggestion for a x.x.2 setup, would be use them as TM placed in the side wall, at ceiling height, within the plane of the TM angles.

But honestly, it's going to depend a lot on the content, while Side Wall (TM) placement will give you a better feeling of overall space and overhead effect, FH mounting will give you a more discrete placement of sounds that pan with the entire scope of the screen, up, down, across and diagonally. It may simply be a case of, if you can, experiment with both, before permanent mounting.
cool, i'll give it a shot, if i was crazy and wanted to do side mounting it would take more effort to wire cables, etc. for non-Atmos, i assume my x3300 can take standard 5.1 DD from Directv broadcasts and simulate atmos, or at least a PLII to make use of front height?
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cool, i'll give it a shot, if i was crazy and wanted to do side mounting it would take more effort to wire cables, etc. for non-Atmos, i assume my x3300 can take standard 5.1 DD from Directv broadcasts and simulate atmos, or at least a PLII to make use of front height?
I'm not familiar with the x3300, but yes, if it's not Atmos capable then it should have PLIIZ w/Heights, if it is Atmos or DTS-X capable, their upmixers will make use of those speakers with non Atmos/DTS-X content.

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While only having 9' ceilings, I felt like having front heights was an improvement (I'm thinking the effect with a vaulted ceiling would be even more noticeable).
And then going from PLIIZ w/heights to Atmos with FH, and the same exact locations, was another step up from there, if for nothing else than the more discrete nature of Atmos and object placement.

When talking about using Heights only, the normal suggestion for a x.x.2 setup, would be use them as TM placed in the side wall, at ceiling height, within the plane of the TM angles.

But honestly, it's going to depend a lot on the content, while Side Wall (TM) placement will give you a better feeling of overall space and overhead effect, FH mounting will give you a more discrete placement of sounds that pan with the entire scope of the screen, up, down, across and diagonally. It may simply be a case of, if you can, experiment with both, before permanent mounting.
My current setup could not use side placement height speakers. That is unless they are only around a foot in front of my surrounds and angled toward the middle of the room or my MLP. I think front heights would overall work better as I typically mix everything up using Neural X.

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Tagging for future reference/questions. So glad I found this thread, as I've been trying to decide just how I'm going to install additional speakers to take advantage of Atmos/DTS-X on my new Marantz SR7010. Was going to start with Atmos add-on up-firing speakers, but after reading this thread, I'm going with front (and eventually rear) heights. I currently have a 7.1 setup. Until I get a separate 2-channel amp in order to run 11 speakers, would it be better to run 7.1.2 or 5.1.4 with my existing 9-channel AVR?
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Tagging for future reference/questions. So glad I found this thread, as I've been trying to decide just how I'm going to install additional speakers to take advantage of Atmos/DTS-X on my new Marantz SR7010. Was going to start with Atmos add-on up-firing speakers, but after reading this thread, I'm going with front (and eventually rear) heights. I currently have a 7.1 setup. Until I get a separate 2-channel amp in order to run 11 speakers, would it be better to run 7.1.2 or 5.1.4 with my existing 9-channel AVR?
If you're going to end up with x.x.4, I would start with 5.1.4, while 4 overheads is usually always preferred over 2, it's esp. so with Height speakers.
And even more so with the approved FH/RH combo. You need the 4 to fill in the overhead center area above you.
That, and the overheads actually get used more than the rears in most situations.
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didn't realize height speakers near the ceiling would actually work enough. i have vaulted ceilings and i have only one prime spot for atmos. 2 feet behind the listening position and 6 feet straight up on the ceiling beam. front speakers for atmos is a bit tricky. i have only four feet of space above my front towers which i don't think is optimal since they'd be way too low compared to the ones above the head on the beam. my question is this.

would it work having atmos in a 50/50 manner? two above the couch but slightly behind and two speakers mounted a few feet ahead five feet up near the ceiling? i think it would sound weird but not sure. i have four JBL S36 wall mountable three way speakers.
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didn't realize height speakers near the ceiling would actually work enough. i have vaulted ceilings and i have only one prime spot for atmos. 2 feet behind the listening position and 6 feet straight up on the ceiling beam. front speakers for atmos is a bit tricky. i have only four feet of space above my front towers which i don't think is optimal since they'd be way too low compared to the ones above the head on the beam. my question is this.

would it work having atmos in a 50/50 manner? two above the couch but slightly behind and two speakers mounted a few feet ahead five feet up near the ceiling? i think it would sound weird but not sure. i have four JBL S36 wall mountable three way speakers.
I'm picturing a been that runs from side wall -to- side wall, over the top of you but slightly behind your seats, correct?
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Which configuration can your receiver do, x.x.4 or x.x.2?

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I have read a few other threads and i still am a bit confused so any help would be appreciated.
I have a Denon AVR X1300 Definitive tech 600 series 5.1 HT speakers and an X Box one S and a SAMSUNG KS8000 TV.

As some one else asked and I did not see the answer...
with two speaker positions left on the Denon, the front height speakers are basically my only option.

would two additional definitive 600 series book shelf speakers identical to what i have now work as the atmos enabled speakers or would some one be so kind as to point me to a pair of small book shelve speakers that are atmos enabled that will do the trick?
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I have read a few other threads and i still am a bit confused so any help would be appreciated.
I have a Denon AVR X1300 Definitive tech 600 series 5.1 HT speakers and an X Box one S and a SAMSUNG KS8000 TV.

As some one else asked and I did not see the answer...
with two speaker positions left on the Denon, the front height speakers are basically my only option.

would two additional definitive 600 series book shelf speakers identical to what i have now work as the atmos enabled speakers or would some one be so kind as to point me to a pair of small book shelve speakers that are atmos enabled that will do the trick?
First off don't confuse Atmos enabled speakers with Height or Overhead(top) speakers, they are different.

Atmos enabled speakers are strictly the upfiring speakers that are either modules that sit on top of the speaker or are built into the top of a speaker to give you reflected sound off the ceiling.
Heights and Tops are separate individual speakers that mount either high on the wall or in/on ceiling for direct sound.

As far as Height speakers, yes another pair of 600's would work just fine. I personally believe that you should do your best to match your or come close to matching your surrounds if you can, when it comes to Heights or Tops.
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So Denon tell me the 600's are atmos enabled due to the up firing speakers .
Another set of duplcate bookshelves will give me the opportunity to set up the Denon as truly atmos then?
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So Denon tell me the 600's are atmos enabled due to the up firing speakers .
Another set of duplcate bookshelves will give me the opportunity to set up the Denon as truly atmos then?
The first part of this post is confusing, my guess is that what your seeing is the Denon, "asking" you if the 600 are Atmos enabled, which they are not, they're just regular speakers.

And yes, another pair of 600's will allow you to set up the x1300w as 5.1.2 with either Front Heights (mounted on the front wall, above your mains, at ceiling height) or Top Middles (mounted on the side walls, at ceiling height, between 75-110° from your seat)
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I believe that Atmos speakers have built in circuits that give a boost to frequencies near 7.2khz followed by a notch. This is also included in the Atmos signal on a bluray disk. So their will probably be a slight difference using non-Atmos speakers to process an Atmos BluRay.

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I believe that Atmos speakers have built in circuits that give a boost to frequencies near 7.2khz followed by a notch. This is also included in the Atmos signal on a bluray disk. So their will probably be a slight difference using non-Atmos speakers to process an Atmos BluRay.
Here's what that is about,
Officially licensed Dolby enabled speakers and upfiring modules are built to a certain spec, which includes a crossover that frequency limits the signal to aid in the reflection of the sound. That same limitation is placed on the signal itself when the Dolby enabled setting is used in your AVR for that channel.
Also the Dolby enabled setting uses a different algorithm than the normal one for that upper channel.
There is no limitation in the sound on the disc at all, all channels get a full range signal on it.

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There is such a lack of information on google about this topic.

Im in england, im using a 7.1 set up with heights ..mainly I use Dolby PLIIz 7.1 with front heights.

i found it so much better than usual 5.1 due to the greater depth..

Now, here is my sito,,, my speakers are good enough, IM changing the amp to a atmos/dts X amp.

i cannot change the speakers nor do I want to and anthing in the roof..no chance.


Will atmos be ok or upconverison of atmos using this exact system of 7.1 heights.

I dont want to add another up firing pair...seems pointless.
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There is such a lack of information on google about this topic.

Im in england, im using a 7.1 set up with heights ..mainly I use Dolby PLIIz 7.1 with front heights.

i found it so much better than usual 5.1 due to the greater depth..

Now, here is my sito,,, my speakers are good enough, IM changing the amp to a atmos/dts X amp.

i cannot change the speakers nor do I want to and anthing in the roof..no chance.


Will atmos be ok or upconverison of atmos using this exact system of 7.1 heights.

I dont want to add another up firing pair...seems pointless.
Yes, it would be better IMO, I original experimented with this exact thing and I found the more discrete nature of Atmos and it's upmixer to be far superior to PLIIz w/ heights.
Only thing is that you can't use a Yamaha receiver for this, with a x.x.2 setup, Yamaha only allows for the 2 to be TM, nothing else. Other than that I think you'll really like it.

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Yes, it would be better IMO, I original experimented with this exact thing and I found the more discrete nature of Atmos and it's upmixer to be far superior to PLIIz w/ heights.
Only thing is that you can't use a Yamaha receiver for this, with a x.x.2 setup, Yamaha only allows for the 2 to be TM, nothing else. Other than that I think you'll really like it.
Im looking at Pioneer as my previous amp is Pioneer so looking at simply changing it to a decent 2016 atmos amp.
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anyonce care to share their opinions on this one.....

Im going from a pioneer vsx 924

to pioneer vsx 1131 ....or maybe

denon 2300 or

onkyo txnr656.



Which one would you guys get?
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Im looking at Pioneer as my previous amp is Pioneer so looking at simply changing it to a decent 2016 atmos amp.
I'm not familiar with the Pioneers, your best advice would be to either find the owners thread in the receiver section and ask there. Our look up the manual online and see if it allows for FH or TF in a 5.1.2 setup.

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Got the vsx 1131 and using a 7.1 set up with front heights which are high anyway...3-4 foot above left and right channel.

Using the amp on 5.1.2 it is much better than dolby PLIIz even with pcm 2.0 upconversion on dolby surround,

The tv shows input pcm 2.0 output dolby surround 5.1.2.

Obv dolby 2.0 in converts better ...tried 7.1 in and 5.1.2 out on blu ray, amazing.

Just ordered mad max fury road blu ray to test atmos, I want to hear the real deal.
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For anyone still in doubt as to whether Heights work well for Atmos, check out HTG #337 and Scotts comments on the Wolf Cinema demo at CES done with all heights (about 1:07:20), not only did he think it wss very good, later on he puts it in his picks for one of the best sounds at the show.

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I'm going the heights route also as I cannot install in ceiling.

I'm just trying to debate on how I want to do it. My AVR can do full 7.X.4 though I'm not sure if I want to do the wire runs for it and have just mass amounts of speakers all over the wall.

I can do just fronts, or I can do fronts and rears, or I can just do top middle. Then comes into play what speakers to use for it. I have landed in between SuperSat3's on a mount that can be angled, or I can just do Prime elevation speakers but they just seem so big.

basically I have to make the decision as to which route I'm going to take so I can either get 14/4 or 14/2 speaker cables since I'm running the surrounds and rears to be wall mounted I can do it all at the same time.

I'll probably do back heights and just run something for the front, then I would need to buy even more speakers lol ugh damn this hobby.
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I'm going the heights route also as I cannot install in ceiling.

I'm just trying to debate on how I want to do it. My AVR can do full 7.X.4 though I'm not sure if I want to do the wire runs for it and have just mass amounts of speakers all over the wall.

I can do just fronts, or I can do fronts and rears, or I can just do top middle. Then comes into play what speakers to use for it. I have landed in between SuperSat3's on a mount that can be angled, or I can just do Prime elevation speakers but they just seem so big.

basically I have to make the decision as to which route I'm going to take so I can either get 14/4 or 14/2 speaker cables since I'm running the surrounds and rears to be wall mounted I can do it all at the same time.

I'll probably do back heights and just run something for the front, then I would need to buy even more speakers lol ugh damn this hobby.
While x.x.2 will be nice, x.x.4 is really what you want to do, it is considerably better.
FH & RH if you can, simply for the accuracy, but if you can't, any mix of 4 (FH/TM for example) will still be better than 2.

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I just ordered the tsr 7810 yamaha receiver, currently I have a 7.1 set up with rear surrounds behind the listening area in a vaulted ceiling and side surrounds left and right of listening area in wall. I am not able to get front heights or front ceiling speakers, I want to keep current set up, I dont want to cut anymore holes in wall. My question is, would this set up work with dolby atoms or im better off keeping it as 7.1 when setting up new receiver. I am also using pre outs of this receiver if that means anything.
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While x.x.2 will be nice, x.x.4 is really what you want to do, it is considerably better.
FH & RH if you can, simply for the accuracy, but if you can't, any mix of 4 (FH/TM for example) will still be better than 2.
Without a doubt I agree. I'm just factoring in WAF lol.

Which brought me to the supersat high mounted at an angle.

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