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mrt2 11-29-2015 02:24 PM

Surround on a budget - Opinions on these speakers?
 
So I've limped along with a sound bar for quite some time now and I'm ready to upgrade to receiver/surround setup. The room I'm in is small - I'm about 9 feet from the TV. I happened upon this black Friday deal on Accessories for Less and I wanted to get an opinion on whether these are good enough for the price? Like I said the room is small and I don't want to blast my wife and I out the room - also I'm looking to do wha I can on the cheap. What do you think about these? Good enough for the price? Or can I get something significantly better for just a little more somewhere else? Thanks for your input :)

mdbrown 11-29-2015 03:43 PM

I have not heard those speakers but Boston Acoustics have a good reputation. I have Boston Acoustics component speakers in my car. If you have a good subwoofer those will do okay. They certainly will not blow you away with volume but when played moderately I'm guessing they will sound okay.

Socketman 11-29-2015 04:04 PM

Here is one review. I would say anything other than a soundbar will be a HUGE upgrade.


http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...U0FhSO5OBoS.97

Dom Di Stroia 11-29-2015 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39331474)
So I've limped along with a sound bar for quite some time now and I'm ready to upgrade to receiver/surround setup. The room I'm in is small - I'm about 9 feet from the TV. I happened upon this black Friday deal on Accessories for Less and I wanted to get an opinion on whether these are good enough for the price? Like I said the room is small and I don't want to blast my wife and I out the room - also I'm looking to do wha I can on the cheap. What do you think about these? Good enough for the price? Or can I get something significantly better for just a little more somewhere else? Thanks for your input :)

Great deal, but:

Are you going to use a subwoofer?

If so:

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Sources:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16886110016

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post39292890

Dom Di Stroia 11-29-2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Socketman (Post 39333986)
Here is one review. I would say anything other than a soundbar will be a HUGE upgrade.


http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...U0FhSO5OBoS.97


+1

(Seems like those 1" tweeters were designed to be paired with woofers that are larger than 3.5":

http://rdimitrov.twistedsanity.net/b...kshelf Speaker )

mdram 11-29-2015 04:50 PM

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honestly, if i was going that route i would add $100 and just get this one

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...e-black/1.html

you will nee a sub

Socketman 11-29-2015 04:51 PM

You would most definitely want to add a subwoofer to that package. The OP says the room is small so this set should suit his situation. If in the future the OP wants larger fronts the other speakers can be repurposed .

John Sully 11-29-2015 05:24 PM

I've owned lots of Boston Acoustics speakers both for home use and for car audio. The last set I had consisted of CR9 fronts, CR7 rears and a CR2 center. I did not like the center much at all because it did not blend well with rest of the system, but the center in this set is very much like the rest of the speakers, so that should not be a problem. Overall, my experience with Boston products has been positive. They sound good and generally represent good value at a given price point.

I would however do as a poster above suggested and get the set with the sub. You will need a sub and $299 for the whole shootin' match is a screaming good deal.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...e-black/1.html

mrt2 11-29-2015 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom Di Stroia (Post 39334058)
Great deal, but:

Are you going to use a subwoofer?

If so:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JBL SP150 10" 150-Watt Powered Subwoofer

Special savings, while supplies last

In stock. Limit 5 per customer.


Sold and Shipped by Newegg
  • 150-watt amplifier power
  • 10" (250mm) down-firing driver for deep, rich bass
  • LFE and line-level inputs for flexible connection opportunities
FREE SHIPPING AVAILABLE
Additional fees may apply for shipments to APO/FPO, AK, HI and PR.

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE


This product qualifies for Newegg's Price Match Guarantee. We'll match any qualifying competitor's price. Learn More
  • $149.99 149.99
  • $79.99 –
  • Save: $70.00 (47%)

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/...016-Z01?$S960$

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Sources:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16886110016

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post39292890

I'm sorry I wasn't clear - I definitely plan on buying a sub. I just saw this package for the fronts, center, and rears and figured it would be a great starting point without having to piece each piece together myself. I definitely plan on getting a sub to go along with it though. Thanks for the input! :)

Dom Di Stroia 11-29-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39335882)
I'm sorry I wasn't clear - I definitely plan on buying a sub. I just saw this package for the fronts, center, and rears and figured it would be a great starting point without having to piece each piece together myself. I definitely plan on getting a sub to go along with it though. Thanks for the input! :)


Theoretically, the JBL sub (nominal frequency range: Hz 35-180) would fill more of the sub-sat crossover gap (upper-bass region) than the Boston sub (nominal frequency range: Hz 35-150) would:

http://cdn.soundandvision.com/images/112bos.meas.jpg

Source:

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures

According to Mark Fleischmann:

"Unfortunately, there seemed to be a persistent upperbass disconnect between the 3.5-inch woofers of both the satellite and center and the sub’s down-firing 10-inch woofer. This is a common trait with small sat/sub systems."

Source:

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-system-page-2 (see "Driver Personality" section)

Also: the amp of the JBL sub is 50% more potent than that of the Boston.

Sources:

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/762...50.html?page=5

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Pr...stonAcoustics)

mrt2 11-29-2015 06:13 PM

Thanks for the input guys, it seems I should go for these speakers and perhaps the JBL sub instead of the BA sub. Dumb question since I'm new to this. I know these are bookshelf speakers but if I wanted to mount these on the wall or to a floor pedestal I could still do that with some sort of kit right?

mdram 11-29-2015 06:16 PM

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check amazon, stands and wall brackets can get pricey

its why i went with floor standers

Dom Di Stroia 11-29-2015 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39336946)
Thanks for the input guys, it seems I should go for these speakers and perhaps the JBL sub instead of the BA sub. Dumb question since I'm new to this. I know these are bookshelf speakers but if I wanted to mount these on the wall or to a floor pedestal I could still do that with some sort of kit right?

Don't know.

But, Boston markets the CS 23 II with a mounting bracket on the rear of the cabinet:

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Asset...Black_rear.jpg

Source:

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Asset...Black_rear.jpg

John Sully 11-29-2015 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39336946)
Thanks for the input guys, it seems I should go for these speakers and perhaps the JBL sub instead of the BA sub. Dumb question since I'm new to this. I know these are bookshelf speakers but if I wanted to mount these on the wall or to a floor pedestal I could still do that with some sort of kit right?

I'd go ahead and get the set with the Boston sub. You're getting the sub for only $100. Use a x-over frequency of 120Hz, I suspect the blend will be better although there will be some bass localization at that frequency. Like I said, $299 for the whole shootin' match is a great deal. Boston seem to think their sub is worth $300, the JBL sub lists for $150. At this price point you definitely get what you pay for.

mrt2 11-30-2015 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sully (Post 39338138)
I'd go ahead and get the set with the Boston sub. You're getting the sub for only $100. Use a x-over frequency of 120Hz, I suspect the blend will be better although there will be some bass localization at that frequency. Like I said, $299 for the whole shootin' match is a great deal. Boston seem to think their sub is worth $300, the JBL sub lists for $150. At this price point you definitely get what you pay for.

Thanks for the input. The reason I was thinking about the JBL's is because they were on sale for $75 instead of the list $150 and I could save like a bit instead of going with the all in one package of the Boston Acoustics. Looking at the reviews the JBL might be a better buy especially at the half off price. Just trying to think through and get the most bang for buck.

mrt2 11-30-2015 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom Di Stroia (Post 39337490)
Don't know.

But, Boston markets the CS 23 II with a mounting bracket on the rear of the cabinet:

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Asset...Black_rear.jpg

Source:

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Asset...Black_rear.jpg

Awesome, thanks for the find... I was wondering based on the fact that I want floor standing fronts, if I should maybe go for this Yamaha speaker set instead? Any idea what the quality theoretically would be like vs the BA's?

mdbrown 11-30-2015 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39344594)
Awesome, thanks for the find... I was wondering based on the fact that I want floor standing fronts, if I should maybe go for this Yamaha speaker set instead? Any idea what the quality theoretically would be like vs the BA's?

I would expect the Boston Acoustics set to be higher quality sound than the Yamaha speakers.

mrt2 11-30-2015 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdbrown (Post 39344930)
I would expect the Boston Acoustics set to be higher quality sound than the Yamaha speakers.

Thanks, I'll stick with BA's then. I just wish I knew whether or not it would be possible to affix these to a pedestal to make floor standing fronts out of them. Not sure If I want them sitting on the entertaining unit counter.

mdbrown 11-30-2015 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39346762)
Thanks, I'll stick with BA's then. I just wish I knew whether or not it would be possible to affix these to a pedestal to make floor standing fronts out of them. Not sure If I want them sitting on the entertaining unit counter.

Why wouldn't they be?

mdram 11-30-2015 07:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39346762)
Thanks, I'll stick with BA's then. I just wish I knew whether or not it would be possible to affix these to a pedestal to make floor standing fronts out of them. Not sure If I want them sitting on the entertaining unit counter.

open a chat with A4L and ask

mrt2 12-02-2015 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom Di Stroia (Post 39334762)
+1

(Seems like those 1" tweeters were designed to be paired with woofers bigger than 3.5":

http://rdimitrov.twistedsanity.net/b...kshelf Speaker )

Forgive my ignorance but what do you mean by this? You mean the tweeters in these speakers would be better served by something more than the woofers in the speakers themselves and that getting a dedicated sub would serve me well if I went with this package?

crazyrob425 12-02-2015 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39409506)
Forgive my ignorance but what do you mean by this? You mean the tweeters in these speakers would be better served by something more than the woofers in the speakers themselves and that getting a dedicated sub would serve me well if I went with this package?

Don't worry about the size of the tweeter. It was designed to work with that speaker as well as other speakers. You have nothing to worry about. Its size matters much less compared to the mid range drivers in the BA. the 3.5inch mid range drivers allows for a lower crossover point of 120hz which is much better.

The BA speaker package for the price is a great deal and better than the Yamaha's you were looking at.

Just add a subwoofer and receiver and you will be happy camper. When setting up your system make sure that you set all your speakers toe 'SMALL' and Crossover to 120hz! Read your receivers manual cover to cover these electronics are not as intuitive as your smart phone so reading a manual really helps. Subwoofer is mandatory these days for an enjoyable home theater experience no matter your speaker size in my opinion.

mrt2 12-04-2015 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyrob425 (Post 39411082)
Don't worry about the size of the tweeter. It was designed to work with that speaker as well as other speakers. You have nothing to worry about. Its size matters much less compared to the mid range drivers in the BA. the 3.5inch mid range drivers allows for a lower crossover point of 120hz which is much better.

The BA speaker package for the price is a great deal and better than the Yamaha's you were looking at.

Just add a subwoofer and receiver and you will be happy camper. When setting up your system make sure that you set all your speakers toe 'SMALL' and Crossover to 120hz! Read your receivers manual cover to cover these electronics are not as intuitive as your smart phone so reading a manual really helps. Subwoofer is mandatory these days for an enjoyable home theater experience no matter your speaker size in my opinion.

Thanks for this info, that's very good to know. I didn't even you could set your speakers to 'small' or about the crossover frequency - as I said, I'm very new to this. My main goal in getting rid of my sound bar was so that I could hear dialogue and have clean sounding audio so I could hear what's going on in the movie without having to turn the volume way up and also to have some bass to add ambient accent to what I'm watching and not booming sounds that are unpredictable. I'm hoping it's not hard to tune all this new stuff to accomplish this being that I'm so new. Would setting the speakers to small and making the crossover frequency 120hz accomplish at least some of this?

Zorba922 12-04-2015 10:27 AM

Better option given your price range might be these, currently 1/3 of MSRP and definitely wall-mountable:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-006-_-Product

Dom Di Stroia 12-04-2015 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorba922 (Post 39472962)
Better option given your price range might be these, currently 1/3 of MSRP and definitely wall-mountable:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-006-_-Product


+1

(Didn't even know that they were still available.)

Pro review (from 2004!):

http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...olk/index.html

mrt2 12-07-2015 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorba922 (Post 39472962)
Better option given your price range might be these, currently 1/3 of MSRP and definitely wall-mountable:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-006-_-Product

So you're saying use these instead of the 2 front channles? Or you suggesting buying 2x these for front and back? I'd still need a center no?

Zorba922 12-07-2015 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt2 (Post 39537858)
So you're saying use these instead of the 2 front channles? Or you suggesting buying 2x these for front and back? I'd still need a center no?

Yes, at this price you might as well use them for surrounds too although that's a little bit of overkill. You could get the matching Polk CS10 center for $100 shipped here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-106-_-Product

Or, you could get a 3rd pair of RTi4 for the same price and use one of the speakers as the center and one of them as an extra surround speaker for a 6-speaker setup...supposedly having 3 identical speakers up front is ideal.

Personally, I would use a mismatched center to ensure maximum voice clarity since the center handles 70-80% if the output during HT, and voice clarity can be had on the cheap from a horn-loaded tweeter speaker in my experience...this is what I use:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm

The nice thing about that speaker is, you can order it shipped free to your nearest Walmart so that you'd have a very easy time returning it for a refund in case you don't like it.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-LC...eaker/10298559

Of course, there would be a visual mismatch in your case since the BIC only comes in black, and your Polks at that $100/pair price only come in Cherry. So you could get their the Polk CS10 or an extra pair of the RTi4, and keep the BIC in mind as a last-resort backup option just in case.

crazyrob425 12-09-2015 07:54 AM

I have Polk RTi4's for my front left and right and I love them.

The matching center channel for the RTi4's is the Polk CSi3 or newer CSi A4's

The CSi3 is still available from Polk from their eBay store.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-C...sAAOSwAYtWH9vP
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-C...sAAOSw5VFWH9sN


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