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Thanks for the insight, abd1. And darn you also. You might have convinced me to sell one of my lesser-used headphone amps to justify the Peachtree Nova 220.
You won't regret it, especially when driving less efficient speakers like the Elac's.
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I don't think preorders are being taken yet. At least there's nothing on the ELAC America online store. Not even a mention of the Uni-Fi series.

http://elac.com/product-category/passive/uni-fi/


Saw this link in the comments section of a CNET article. Was posted Feb 15th, so looks like pre-orders have been quietly available for a while. Launch is April 4th.
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Saw this link in the comments section of a CNET article. Was posted Feb 15th, so looks like pre-orders have been quietly available for a while. Launch is April 4th.
Hi Everyone,

We did start accepting pre-orders at the link provided above. If you do not see the option to pre-order just refresh the page and it will appear (Small website bug we are working on).

The April 4th date is what we have right now. There is a chance it can slip a week or two. Andrew will be at the factory next week to oversee and test pre-production. If all goes well, production will start immediately.

Once I hear back from Andrew next week I will update the website. Anyone who has already pre-ordered will be notified via email with the new date.

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Hi Everyone,

We did start accepting pre-orders at the link provided above. If you do not see the option to pre-order just refresh the page and it will appear (Small website bug we are working on).

The April 4th date is what we have right now. There is a chance it can slip a week or two. Andrew will be at the factory next week to oversee and test pre-production. If all goes well, production will start immediately.

Once I hear back from Andrew next week I will update the website. Anyone who has already pre-ordered will be notified via email with the new date.

Thanks,

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for the update.
Is there any word on whether you'll ship to Europe (Germany), and if so, when?

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Will the uni-fi line be sold through amazon like the Debut line is?
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Does anybody see any issues driving these with a Sonos Connect:Amp? Looking for confirmation before I pre-order. Thanks!
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Does anybody see any issues driving these with a Sonos Connect:Amp? Looking for confirmation before I pre-order. Thanks!
Hum, a quick check of the specs of that amp indicates 55w into 8 ohm, no indication of 4 ohm performance, and a "bargain" price. I would be somewhat hesitant if I needed to fill anything more than a small room with sound (unless you meant "by these" the Debut line and not the Uni-Fi line - and even then...).

I think it really depends on the quality/robustness of Sonos gear and if it can "do" a 4 ohm load well. I don't have any Sonos gear so I don't know...
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What do you guys think would be better a F5 or a ub5 both will be crossed over to a sub?
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I had a question regarding the new unifi as well as the elac b6 and their use of the softdome tweeter vs the ribbon tweeter/kapton/folded ribbon. The ribbon tweeters allow for more higher range before rolling off than softdomes as andrew said in one of those videos but they he said that the soft dome he made can get to that level.

Is the reason he used soft dome vs ribbon tweeters a cost saving measure, or is it difference of opinion on what sounds better in a speaker? Would his speakers be even better with ribbon tweeters and is he not going that route due to wanted another line in the future that puts them in there at a higher price point?

Just curious. I'm choosing between a Elac B6, vs a HTD L3 at the moment. So I'm very curious.
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I had a question regarding the new unifi as well as the elac b6 and their use of the softdome tweeter vs the ribbon tweeter/kapton/folded ribbon. The ribbon tweeters allow for more higher range before rolling off than softdomes as andrew said in one of those videos but they he said that the soft dome he made can get to that level.

Is the reason he used soft dome vs ribbon tweeters a cost saving measure, or is it difference of opinion on what sounds better in a speaker? Would his speakers be even better with ribbon tweeters and is he not going that route due to wanted another line in the future that puts them in there at a higher price point?

Just curious. I'm choosing between a Elac B6, vs a HTD L3 at the moment. So I'm very curious.
I think what Andrew and others (who are honest) are saying is at this price point, you can make a soft dome that sounds quite good OR you can make a ribbon that does not sound so good. You need to spend more money on Ribbon's before their inherent design characteristics start to show through.
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I had a question regarding the new unifi as well as the elac b6 and their use of the softdome tweeter vs the ribbon tweeter/kapton/folded ribbon. The ribbon tweeters allow for more higher range before rolling off than softdomes as andrew said in one of those videos but they he said that the soft dome he made can get to that level.

Is the reason he used soft dome vs ribbon tweeters a cost saving measure, or is it difference of opinion on what sounds better in a speaker? Would his speakers be even better with ribbon tweeters and is he not going that route due to wanted another line in the future that puts them in there at a higher price point?

Just curious. I'm choosing between a Elac B6, vs a HTD L3 at the moment. So I'm very curious.
A lot of so called ribbon tweeters are in name only, they are not true ribbon tweeters, it's a compromised design and the result is they often have even greater mass than a good quality, well designed dome tweeters

Actually, a high quality dome tweeters will easily outperform the low-end fake ribbon tweeters and one common complain you hear from those low-end ribbons are harsh and fatiguing sound

A pair of true ribbon tweeters will cost at least a couple hundred dollars and you are not going to find them on the entry level speakers..

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I think what Andrew and others (who are honest) are saying is at this price point, you can make a soft dome that sounds quite good OR you can make a ribbon that does not sound so good. You need to spend more money on Ribbon's before their inherent design characteristics start to show through.
Agree, it is just not realistic to expect high quality true ribbon at this price point, but you can still make quality speakers with good dome tweeters!

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A lot of so called ribbon tweeters are in name only, they are not true ribbon tweeters, it's a compromised design and the result is they often have even greater mass than a good quality, well designed dome tweeters

Actually, a high quality dome tweeters will easily outperform the low-end fake ribbon tweeters and one common complain you hear from those low-end ribbons are harsh and fatiguing sound

A pair of true ribbon tweeters will cost at least a couple hundred dollars and you are not going to find them on the entry level speakers..



Agree, it is just not realistic to expect high quality true ribbon at this price point, but you can still make quality speakers with good dome tweeters!
While this is true, there is some entry level speakers that do the ribbon tweeter well.
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-th...shelf-Speakers
Or do you guys think these are lower end ribbon drivers they used?
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^^ Those are planar magnetic drivers, using a Kapton membrane, and not true ribbons.
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At the outset, let me first say that I have no commercial connection to Elac although after hearing the demo, I'm trying my damdest to get the line for my rep firm. Here's why: aside from the great people involved, not to mention Andrew, one of the world's few great speaker designers, I actually felt they had the best sound at CES! This is not hyperbole. I didn't hear every demo but to put things in perspective, they murdered the Vanderstein room with their Mercedes-level-of-cost system--positively murdered them, although the Vandersteins had incredibly deep bass. From the waist up, so to speak, no contest. Yes, I've heard these new vandersteins sound fabulous at a dealer but at the show, on that day, I was floored.

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^^ Those are planar magnetic drivers, using a Kapton membrane, and not true ribbons.
Ah I see. From research they are no match for true ribbons. Do you know if planars from level 3 htd's compare to the higher end soft domes used by the uni-fi or b6's?
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Ah I see. From research they are no match for true ribbons. Do you know if planars from level 3 htd's compare to the higher end soft domes used by the uni-fi or b6's?
I couldn't say. My understanding is that the Unifi tweeter has a more extended response than the B6 tweeter.

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I'm guessing these are for pre-order but musicdirect has the uni-fi speakers available on their site.

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-438070-...eakers-pr.aspx
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I'm guessing these are for pre-order but musicdirect has the uni-fi speakers available on their site.

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-438070-...eakers-pr.aspx
Yeah, no way that 3-7 days is accurate. Elac rep just said they haven't signed off yet on production but it could happen this week which would keep the early April date on track.

I locked in my pre-order earlier this month, this is my first ever pair of "nice" home speakers, I can't wait!!!
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Getting excited can't wait for amazon to get them!
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Hello, I am an AVSforum Noob here. I have been Prowling around to get Info on the Debut series when they were announced and Now I see the Uni Fi being announced. I have noticed some comparing the Debut to the Uni-fi . I just wanted to point out that I believe the Debut's are rated at 6 Ohms and the Uni-Fi are rated at 4 Ohms. I am not up on HT amps and gear as I mostly play in the 2 Channel Arena where many amps will work at 4 Ohms. Looking at the specs on some of the lower end Sony HT Amps there is really No Specs on Impedance or any of the typical specs I am used to with a 2 channel amp just a bunch of fluff about the massive amounts of things you can plug in or stream,. Pioneer does list "Guaranteed Impedance" at 6- 16 Ohms on their entry level receiver. Harmon Kardon Seems to list power specs at 6 and 8 Ohms. Oddly it seems they only mention max specs at 2 channels and not what the output of each channel is. Is this is the norm for HT receivers? If so that's fine. I find it odd though. In any Event it seems the Debut line Falls within the Range of some of these random entry level amps when it comes to impedance but the Uni Fi Does not. All my amps are rated at 4 ohm so this does not affect me if I can bring My self to sell the B6's I have to upgrade. I am curious however if the seeming lack of specs on the actual audio portions of these Home theater receivers and the focus on all of the new features and things you can plug in( from my point of view )can be misleading in that these amps may just play fine with 4Ohm Loads but it is just not stated.
The Pioneer Elite SC-91 is a 7.2 channel home theater receiver that's 4-ohm rated.
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I placed my preorder for the UB5 a while back. In the mean time, I was looking for an amplifier that is capable of driving these speakers and giving me everything they they have to offer.

I just purchased a pre-owned McCormack DNA 125 with modifications in the signal path & to the power supply.

Now I have to find a suitable preamplifier to pull it all together because the NR1402 isn't going to get it done. The 1402 is fine for HT, but I'm looking to put together a dedicated 2-channel set up.

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Hum, a quick check of the specs of that amp indicates 55w into 8 ohm, no indication of 4 ohm performance, and a "bargain" price. I would be somewhat hesitant if I needed to fill anything more than a small room with sound (unless you meant "by these" the Debut line and not the Uni-Fi line - and even then...).

I think it really depends on the quality/robustness of Sonos gear and if it can "do" a 4 ohm load well. I don't have any Sonos gear so I don't know...

In an effort to answer my own question here, it does appear that the Connect:Amp is indeed 4 ohm capable (see: https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answe...bWgxVnUxTW0%3D )

It looks like the power output jumps to 110w a channel at 4ohms, so I think I'll be ok with the Unifi B5's. Anybody disagree?
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In an effort to answer my own question here, it does appear that the Connect:Amp is indeed 4 ohm capable (see: https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answe...bWgxVnUxTW0%3D )

It looks like the power output jumps to 110w a channel at 4ohms, so I think I'll be ok with the Unifi B5's. Anybody disagree?
The ability to double into a 4 ohm load (from 8 ohm) is usually an indicate of a certain "robustness", ability to deliver current, and is usually found only on higher quality (and priced) gear. It also usually comes with a bit more THD also (can be a downside if audible). So as long as Sonos is not playing a spec game here (i.e. fudging the numbers), then you should be fine. How big of room are you trying to fill with sound? As long as your not trying to fill a large room with dance club SPL you will will probably be pleasantly surprised by how loud this combo will go...
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Anyone have thoughts on the Marantz NR1604 pushing a pair of UB5's? Says 6ohms min but from what Andrew said there appears to be some leeway.
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I grabbed a emotiva upa-500 just in case my receiver runs into any issues. It's an older Yamaha v567 but looking to grab a ATMOS receiver when the next year models drop these current ones down

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Does the Yamaha have pre-outs? The Emotiva will have plenty of power for the UB5 speakers

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Lol nope just realized my old amp did the but this one doesn't. I am going to grab a cheap older receiver from Amazon to fill in the gap or just wait till I finish home theater room and get a ATMOS one with preouts. I'm sure it can handle just the two 4ohm speakers in my living room till I finish.

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Lol nope just realized my old amp did the but this one doesn't. I am going to grab a cheap older receiver from Amazon to fill in the gap or just wait till I finish home theater room and get a ATMOS one with preouts. I'm sure it can handle just the two 4ohm speakers in my living room till I finish.

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Anyone have thoughts on the Marantz NR1604 pushing a pair of UB5's? Says 6ohms min but from what Andrew said there appears to be some leeway.
I run a very similarly rated Marantz 1504 with some Infinity primus 360's for the living room for TV (95% - I occasionally will stream some music to it), which are 93db sensitive and 8 ohms. This 50W Marantz unit drives these speakers better than the Best Buy Sony STDNR or something that was supposedly rated at 100 watts I had before, and is much more accurate and "musical" (these speakers leave a lot to be desired for music however). That said, take the volume into the "moderately loud" category and you can hear the Marantz unit straining, and the sound gets thin and flat in that cheap class D sort of way.

Marantz makes some good amps, but these "budget" class AVR receivers I think might be a bit stressed by an only moderately efficient 4 ohm speaker like the UniFi I would think (only a semi-educated guess at this point however). Of course, if you live in an apartment and/or have a small room the Marantz might be more than enough...
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I run a very similarly rated Marantz 1504 with some Infinity primus 360's for the living room for TV (95% - I occasionally will stream some music to it), which are 93db sensitive and 8 ohms. This 50W Marantz unit drives these speakers better than the Best Buy Sony STDNR or something that was supposedly rated at 100 watts I had before, and is much more accurate and "musical" (these speakers leave a lot to be desired for music however). That said, take the volume into the "moderately loud" category and you can hear the Marantz unit straining, and the sound gets thin and flat in that cheap class D sort of way.

Marantz makes some good amps, but these "budget" class AVR receivers I think might be a bit stressed by an only moderately efficient 4 ohm speaker like the UniFi I would think (only a semi-educated guess at this point however). Of course, if you live in an apartment and/or have a small room the Marantz might be more than enough...
Thanks for the info. Of course, I'll try it out first before I go drop some money. Funny, I had the same experience as you in that I replaced an older Onkyo 5.1 which was rated at 100 watts/ch and the 50W rated Marantz was louder and much better sounding IMO.

I have a good sized living room that's open to the kitchen and I occasionally crank it, so I do need some volume. But I'll have these crossed around 80hz which should help some. I'll report back when I get the speakers. I see eventually upgrading to an external amp. I'm a little worried though as I just recently read a comment where someone went from a Marantz AVR to an Emotiva external and actually preferred the sound of the Marantz.
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