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I will be using Monitor Audio BX1's as on ceiling speakers mounted with some DIY brackets.

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Any luck with OWM3 as Atmos? Do you like them performing DA duty? Please also let me know the mounts you used for OWM3 speakers. Thanks!
OK, so I've had my Atmos setup running for about a week now, using the OWM3's as front/rear heights. The AVR is a Denon X4200W, with an added two-channel amp to power the rear heights.

I'm still experimenting and adjusting the trim levels to find the right balance with the rest of my system. Without a basis for comparison, it's hard to know how to rate them, but my opinion so far is they do an adequate job as Atmos speakers in my room, keeping in mind that where I have the rear heights mounted doesn't truly follow Atmos guidelines (they're supposed to be directly above surround back speakers, which I obviously don't have, since I'm running a 5.x.4 configuration with my seating directly against the back wall). Audyssey calibration set the crossover for the OWM3's to 80hz for the front pair and 90hz for the rears, probably because the front pair are pointed more directly towards the MLP, whereas the rears are a pointed a couple of feet in front of the MLP, so its measuring the speaker's off-axis response.

Both pairs of speakers are flush-mounted using the bottom key-hole slots, so they're both pointed 45° downwards (more or less, I made sure there was a bit of an air gap so I could add some padding directly over/under the mounting point to very slightly tilt the speaker a few degrees towards the MLP.

Listening to Atmos and DTS:X demo material, it sounds quite impressive - DTS:X/Neural:X in particular employs the height speakers in a very aggressive manner, so you really hear a difference. DSU upmixing is more subtle. So far, I've only watched two Atmos blu-rays: 13 Hours and In the Heart of the Sea, both good films, but I didn't find either used Atmos in a very active way. I obviously could hear the overhead effects in loud/action sequences, but I didn't get that feeling where you're immersed in a 3-dimensional cacoon of sound that some people have described.

My verdict so far - it makes a difference, but it's not a night and day difference. I'm thinking better speaker placement might help, and possibly better speakers as well, but I'm not going complain, considering the price I bought the OWM3's for (if you're in the US, I very recently saw the OWM5's drop to $99 on Amazon, so it may be worth considering if you want to stay with the OWM form-factor, but want something a little more capable than the OWM3).

As I mentioned, I'm still in the tweaking the setup. I'll be re-running Audyssey in the next day or two; when I first ran it last week, both of my cats were in crazy mode running around all over the place, so I don't think I got the most reliable calibration that first time around
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OK, so I've had my Atmos setup running for about a week now, using the OWM3's as front/rear heights. The AVR is a Denon X4200W, with an added two-channel amp to power the rear heights.

I'm still experimenting and adjusting the trim levels to find the right balance with the rest of my system. Without a basis for comparison, it's hard to know how to rate them, but my opinion so far is they do an adequate job as Atmos speakers in my room, keeping in mind that where I have the rear heights mounted doesn't truly follow Atmos guidelines (they're supposed to be directly above surround back speakers, which I obviously don't have, since I'm running a 5.x.4 configuration with my seating directly against the back wall). Audyssey calibration set the crossover for the OWM3's to 80hz for the front pair and 90hz for the rears, probably because the front pair are pointed more directly towards the MLP, whereas the rears are a pointed a couple of feet in front of the MLP, so its measuring the speaker's off-axis response.

Both pairs of speakers are flush-mounted using the bottom key-hole slots, so they're both pointed 45° downwards (more or less, I made sure there was a bit of an air gap so I could add some padding directly over/under the mounting point to very slightly tilt the speaker a few degrees towards the MLP.

Listening to Atmos and DTS:X demo material, it sounds quite impressive - DTS:X/Neural:X in particular employs the height speakers in a very aggressive manner, so you really hear a difference. DSU upmixing is more subtle. So far, I've only watched two Atmos blu-rays: 13 Hours and In the Heart of the Sea, both good films, but I didn't find either used Atmos in a very active way. I obviously could hear the overhead effects in loud/action sequences, but I didn't get that feeling where you're immersed in a 3-dimensional cacoon of sound that some people have described.

My verdict so far - it makes a difference, but it's not a night and day difference. I'm thinking better speaker placement might help, and possibly better speakers as well, but I'm not going complain, considering the price I bought the OWM3's for (if you're in the US, I very recently saw the OWM5's drop to $99 on Amazon, so it may be worth considering if you want to stay with the OWM form-factor, but want something a little more capable than the OWM3).

As I mentioned, I'm still in the tweaking the setup. I'll be re-running Audyssey in the next day or two; when I first ran it last week, both of my cats were in crazy mode running around all over the place, so I don't think I got the most reliable calibration that first time around
Please keep us posted. I want to get the X4200W as well. Maybe I'll hold until black friday to see if I can find a good deal. I'm currently running an S910W with front heights. I have a pair of white Kef T101 that I might use as top middle on-ceiling. Since my surrounds are already kind of high (tweeter about 2-3 feet above ear level), then I'm not sure about rear heights making a big difference. I'll try the Kefs as top middle instead of front heights until I can get the 5.2.4 receiver and keep front heights and top middle, while leaving the surrounds kind of high. My couch is against the wall too. If your front/rear heights work good enough, then I might install my surrounds lower and go that route. Kind of like Auro 3D setup, I guess.
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Here's one example of using SVS Prime Elevation speakers for Atmos GARY (SVS PRESIDENT) IN NEW MARKET, MD

To be honest, I was expecting a better-looking setup for someone who's the president of SVS. The ceiling installation does look clean, but if someone can run the wiring inside the ceiling, then chances are, they would probably do in-ceiling speakers.
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I pulled the trigger and use Klipsch AW-650s (not the THX speakers) for Atmos and they keep up fine with three Behringer B215XLs upfront and Klipsch Professional KPT-8001 for side and rear surrounds. I think just about any horn loaded speaker would be fine for Atmos if the other speakers are compression driver horns - there isn't all that much that comes out of them and it doesnt seem I am missing anything by using horn dome tweeters for Atmos. They are aimable also. That entire set up cost less than $1,500 and it completely energizes my 14 x 20 x 12 dedicated room to beyond reference with a relatively modest amount of watts.

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I pulled the trigger and use Klipsch AW-650s (not the THX speakers) for Atmos and they keep up fine with three Behringer B215XLs upfront and Klipsch Professional KPT-8001 for side and rear surrounds. I think just about any horn loaded speaker would be fine for Atmos if the other speakers are compression driver horns - there isn't all that much that comes out of them and it doesnt seem I am missing anything by using horn dome tweeters for Atmos. They are aimable also. That entire set up cost less than $1,500 and it completely energizes my 14 x 20 x 12 dedicated room to beyond reference with a relatively modest amount of watts.

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I like it! Nice space. Your photos aren't that bad really.
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Any thoughts about using klipsch quintet 5 speakers for the rear height surrounds?

The front heights can be in ceiling, and, for aesthetics, I will likely use in ceiling aimable klipsch speakers. I have klipsch RS-10s for surround in 7.1 configuration and mains are bigger klipsch floor speakers but I need something that I can hang on the ceiling because HVAC ducting runs above the ceiling where I need to put the rear height speakers.

I appreciate any thoughts!
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If you look in the "Best Speakers for Atmos Thread" you'll have your answer immediately. An ex-Dolby Engineer used Tannoy Di6DC speakers.............I can personally vouch for these speakers as I was able to visit Roger's room. Wide dispersion, solid FR, and can be aimed due to yoke/ceiling attachment.

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Another vote for Tannoy....though I currently do not have Tannoy as my height speakers. I am using Tannoy DC 12i for my LCR and Tannoy ams 8dc for my sides and rear speakers. I already have two pairs of the Klipsch ic 650 t for my in-ceiling height speakers. I now have my eye on some Tannoy in-ceiling to replace them down the road.

I have found the Tannoy to have a wide soundstage, very detailed and neutral sounding. My dealer really took care of me and would be happy to pass along his contact info if anyone is interested.

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I pulled the trigger and use Klipsch AW-650s (not the THX speakers) for Atmos and they keep up fine with three Behringer B215XLs upfront and Klipsch Professional KPT-8001 for side and rear surrounds. I think just about any horn loaded speaker would be fine for Atmos if the other speakers are compression driver horns - there isn't all that much that comes out of them and it doesnt seem I am missing anything by using horn dome tweeters for Atmos. They are aimable also. That entire set up cost less than $1,500 and it completely energizes my 14 x 20 x 12 dedicated room to beyond reference with a relatively modest amount of watts.

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I am and will be running a full Klipsch RP system with the RP160s at LR, 450c, and 250s. Was wondering if you think the AW-400 would be too small to add for atmos? My room is 10x15 and I would be running 4 of them aimed towards the MLP. I am trying to get as small and black as I can but still have good sound.
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I pulled the trigger and use Klipsch AW-650s (not the THX speakers) for Atmos and they keep up fine with three Behringer B215XLs upfront and Klipsch Professional KPT-8001 for side and rear surrounds. I think just about any horn loaded speaker would be fine for Atmos if the other speakers are compression driver horns - there isn't all that much that comes out of them and it doesnt seem I am missing anything by using horn dome tweeters for Atmos. They are aimable also. That entire set up cost less than $1,500 and it completely energizes my 14 x 20 x 12 dedicated room to beyond reference with a relatively modest amount of watts.

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Like the Black walls. If I had a dedicated room, it would be Black, too. With all the lights off, I bet it's really nice when watching movies.
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Has anyone used the Polk Atrium speakers for atmos?
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Has anyone used the Polk Atrium speakers for atmos?
I am using the Atrium 6's for front and rear ceiling mounted Atmos speakers and am pretty happy with them. However, I only had tried some Klipsch Quintet speakers prior to the Atrium speakers which didn't work as well.
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I am using the Atrium 6's for front and rear ceiling mounted Atmos speakers and am pretty happy with them. However, I only had tried some Klipsch Quintet speakers prior to the Atrium speakers which didn't work as well.
Thank you for the input. Sounds like I will go with polk instead. Im pretty sure the quntet are similar to the aw speakers.
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I am using the Atrium 6's for front and rear ceiling mounted Atmos speakers and am pretty happy with them. However, I only had tried some Klipsch Quintet speakers prior to the Atrium speakers which didn't work as well.
Looking for a little feedback on the Atrium. They won't be a timbre match to my current 5.1 set up, but nearly nothing will be as I am running an old set of Onkyo speakers that came with a HTIB in 2002. Would the size of the Atrium (4, 5, 6, 8) be dependent on room size? Our living room is 13 X 23, but we only use half the room for viewing.

Also, do the Atrium meet the recommended design requirements for Atmos speakers? Wide dispersion, concentric, etc?

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I used 4 Energy Take Classics along with monoprice wall mount brackets to put speaker on the ceiling. I went with the Energy's because of their small size and the rest of the speaker in my setup are Energy brand except the sub. So far I am very pleased with the results........





What did you use to hide the wires? Got a link?
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So is the Kef T101 considered a wide dispersion speaker??
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What did you use to hide the wires? Got a link?
I don't know what he is using.

I believe these would work very well and be cheaper (some finishes are on sale too):

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My apologies, I haven't been on here in awhile. I used wiremold from Home Depot. 5ft and 10ft sections, screwed to the ceiling with the U-shaped hardware. There is a silver track backing on the wiremold channel that can slide out so you don't have to fish the wire through the channels.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/700-Seri...BWH1/100203464

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Well since this thread has been rejuvenated, I use four of these puppies for Atmos: Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000 Bookshelf Speakers. Works well for me .

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There is a thread around that talks about small surround speakers. For those of you looking for a small discreet solution to on ceiling speakers (that almost disappear), I copied this post:
When we moved a few years ago, I remodeled a family room to add a HT. There were vaulted beamed ceilings in the only possible HT room.
In past HT set ups, I had always taken care to timber match all speakers. However, with modern AVRs that is no longer necessary, INMO. The Pioneer SC series uses an MCACC-Pro algorithm which does an amazing job of adjusting for differences in speaker size, design as well as room symmetry (or lack of).
We have custom made Salk MTMs for the front three channel soundstage. However, for the surrounds and Atmos, I needed a very small speaker that plays large. After studying the issue, I installed these:

https://www.parts-express.com/bic-ve...m_campaign=pla

The BIC AMERICA DV-32B are very small, but sound incredible (5 star reviews). Plus they are reasonably priced (read cheep).
They are discreet and easily aimable. They sit right on the ceiling beams and "disappear".
The only real downside is that they are so small, the dispersion pattern is pretty narrow. I used a laser pointer to aim them right at the main listening seating.


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A Pioneer SC-97 handles the heavy lifting and outboard Marantz amps help with Atmos.
The MCACC-Pro system takes about 20 min to line everything up, then I season to taste (+2db on LFE and Atmos).

The sound is amazing. The WAF factor (equally important) passes muster.

For those of you on the fence about Atmos, take a hint from the Nike adds and "Just do it!". I feel as if it's the best addition to our HT since we went to a front projector many years ago. IMO, there is not that much great Atmos/DTS:X content available but the "presence" added by Dolby/Neural processing adds a lot to most muti-channel source material.
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This has been a great thread for somebody looking to get into Atmos and can't do in ceiling. I have one question which is not directly related. I'm a complete noon when it comes to drilling and mounting and such. How do I get started with that? Plenty of speaker recommendations here. But literally no clue how to make holes in the ceiling so that the speaker does not fall on my head.

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This has been a great thread for somebody looking to get into Atmos and can't do in ceiling. I have one question which is not directly related. I'm a complete noon when it comes to drilling and mounting and such. How do I get started with that? Plenty of speaker recommendations here. But literally no clue how to make holes in the ceiling so that the speaker does not fall on my head.

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Check youtube.. There are many videos like the one below that show how to install ceiling speakers.

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This has been a great thread for somebody looking to get into Atmos and can't do in ceiling. I have one question which is not directly related. I'm a complete noon when it comes to drilling and mounting and such. How do I get started with that? Plenty of speaker recommendations here. But literally no clue how to make holes in the ceiling so that the speaker does not fall on my head.

Here is the photo of my ceiling with lights in place.
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Easy ones would be SVS Prime Elevation speakers with ceiling mounts. You would ideally look for the ceiling joists and at least screw two of the bolts to them and then use ceiling drywall anchors for the other two and screw the other bolts to those.

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Easy ones would be SVS Prime Elevation speakers with ceiling mounts. You would ideally look for the ceiling joists and at least screw two of the bolts to them and then use ceiling drywall anchors for the other two and screw the other bolts to those.
You could use Drywall anchors. Those Elevation speakers are so light that a couple of Drywall anchors or toggle bolts should be enough and you can place them wherever you want!
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So been googling all night and found this thread. The Klipsch RP-140D are so far the sleekest looking I've found, though on the expensive side. From camelcamelcamel.com, there was a big sale in September where they went down to $109 so that's something to consider. Another thing is although I haven't known Klipsch to exaggerate a lot on the specs, I find it hard to believe that a speaker that size with a 3.5" woofer can go down to 69Hz ±3dB.

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I'm really surprised this thread isn't more popular. I would think lots of people can't do in-ceiling, but like me, after going round the houses with every other possible solution, still come back to the notion that ceiling speakers are always going to sound better for atmos and then try to find a work-around.

So when only using 2 atmos ceiling speakers, the official atmos site recommends placing the 2 speakers just in from of the main viewing position. Aren't they supposed to be facing straight down? Why do I see people angling their speakers back at the viewer, if the official site says to place them in front of the viewer? Just wondering..

Any other new developments for good on-ceiling speakers? Ones that don't look so "boxy" hanging from the ceiling and have good, wide sound dispersion?

Really surprised more people aren't doing this...
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Does anyone know of ceiling speakers that don't have to go into the ceiling and instead can just be mounted to it? I'd love to put Atmos speakers on my ceiling as long as I don't have to cut holes for them.
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I too have a vaulted ceiling, and ended up buying some used JBL N24 and mounted them on the center beam. With the JBL mount, they can be aimed. I also went ahead and ordered a 2nd pair to replace my surrounds. It all sounds great.

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Outdoor speakers with a built-in bracket are a good choice for on-ceiling installations. They can be swiveled (before permanent installation) and angled to direct the sound as needed. Far better coverage than the typical vertically-oriented in-ceiling option. Polk Atrium or RSL Outsider II come to mind as good and inexpensive options in this category.

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Does anyone know of ceiling speakers that don't have to go into the ceiling and instead can just be mounted to it? I'd love to put Atmos speakers on my ceiling as long as I don't have to cut holes for them.
What speakers are you planning on using at the base level with the overhead speakers you're looking for? And yes, there are on-ceilings available.

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