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post #451 of 512 Old 08-23-2017, 03:00 PM
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I have them mounted but the rest of the theater is still apart. I did some other upgrades too. Got a pair of JTR Cap 1400's and Acoustimac panels that I have finally hung.

I had a bit of a set back literally with my back. I have fused ankles from a motocross wreck and i developed Sciatica over the years from the flat footed nature of a fused ankle. I had an MRI done recently cause ive been having some pain down my right leg and it showed my vertebrea is partially collapsing where I had a discectomy down about 3 years ago. Ive started traction therapy and im feeling better and better.

I will for sure report once I get the theater all back together. Heres a pic of the 9310's. Sorry for the low quality of pic from my iPhone.
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I have them mounted but the rest of the theater is still apart. I did some other upgrades too. Got a pair of JTR Cap 1400's and Acoustimac panels that I have finally hung.

I had a bit of a set back literally with my back. I have fused ankles from a motocross wreck and i developed Sciatica over the years from the flat footed nature of a fused ankle. I had an MRI done recently cause ive been having some pain down my right leg and it showed my vertebrea is partially collapsing where I had a discectomy down about 3 years ago. Ive started traction therapy and im feeling better and better.

I will for sure report once I get the theater all back together. Heres a pic of the 9310's. Sorry for the low quality of pic from my iPhone.
I am really sorry to hear about the health crap you are dealing with and hope you recover quickly.

The room looks nice and cozy for sure.

What are you running for LCR?
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Ya ill see after I get them going. They already are angled down but not as much angled down as the 8340a's where. Hard to see in picture. With them I had too much of an angle down so I got these up higher this time and angled so they fire a bit over my head when seated. My ceilings are low. An 6ft 11 in. I put a piece of birch on the wall in each surround location so I can move each surround up or down if needed.

Ill be doing lots of trial and error over the next months but I need to get my back in order first.

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I am really sorry to hear about the health crap you are dealing with and hope you recover quickly.

The room looks nice and cozy for sure.

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Thanks a lot Coach, I appreciate it. Dam nerve pain can be really debilitating.

Ya its super dark and cozy now that I just got a very large black shag rug that showed up today that goes from the seats to the front of room right under the screen for total black out. I have a little of my old carpet showing on the sides from screen to the seating so I think I will prolly get either some runners to fill up the small gap on the sides or carpet remnants or something.

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Heres a couple more pics to see how the backs are angled. And then my front end. I have stands I made and covered in black felt to put the 3677s on. It raises them up 2ft off the ground to about seated head height. Im very close to completion, at least for now lol.
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Thanks a lot Coach, I appreciate it. Dam nerve pain can be really debilitating.

Ya its super dark and cozy now that I just got a very large black shag rug that showed up today that goes from the seats to the front of room right under the screen for total black out. I have a little of my old carpet showing on the sides from screen to the seating so I think I will prolly get either some runners to fill up the small gap on the sides or carpet remnants or something.

Im using JBL 3677s for LCRs.
The 3677's are a great speaker. My buddy added those to his theater last year after enjoying the sound of my 4722's.

The darker the walls, the better. We added a TON of velvet to our room last Christmas. The result was pretty awesome!

In the pictures I have attached, the panels on the wall that look "gray" are actually Black GOM AT material...
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I have them mounted but the rest of the theater is still apart. I did some other upgrades too. Got a pair of JTR Cap 1400's and Acoustimac panels that I have finally hung.

I had a bit of a set back literally with my back. I have fused ankles from a motocross wreck and i developed Sciatica over the years from the flat footed nature of a fused ankle. I had an MRI done recently cause ive been having some pain down my right leg and it showed my vertebrea is partially collapsing where I had a discectomy down about 3 years ago. Ive started traction therapy and im feeling better and better.

I will for sure report once I get the theater all back together. Heres a pic of the 9310's. Sorry for the low quality of pic from my iPhone.
God bless. I pray you feel better soon.
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The 3677's are a great speaker. My buddy added those to his theater last year after enjoying the sound of my 4722's.

The darker the walls, the better. We added a TON of velvet to our room last Christmas. The result was pretty awesome!

In the pictures I have attached, the panels on the wall that look "gray" are actually Black GOM AT material...
Dude that looks awesome! Great space you got there and looks great!! The blacker the better indeed. I have everything black but I had to compromise with my wife with the couple of red acoustic panels lol. Love your room tho! Totally awesome.

Ya I really love the 3677's. I have a local theater that has 4722N's in a few of their rooms and in their small rooms they have 3677s. So I got to "kinda" audition both. I say kind of cause we all know that until they are in your room who knows lol. Ive had them for about a year now and I really love them. My subs couldn't keep up with them, I had PSA XV-15s. I think the Caps should give me the headroom im looking for.

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Hey @COACH2369 . I had a question and was curious. How far back do you have your 4722's from your screen? Whats the distance between, say, the front of your center to the back of the screen?

I have mine about 6-7 inches for the center and my left and right are toed in towards about my left center seat arm rest for the left and the right center seat arm rest for the right. Thats the best it sounds from all ive tried. With my left and right toed in the edge of each speaker is pretty close to the screen. Once again through trial and error subjectively it sounds best with this toe in for my set up.

Ive tried different distances from the front of the center to the back of the screen and didn't hear a whole lot of difference. I need measuring equipment. I get a general idea from what Audyysey MultEQ32 shows but I think it sounds much more full and dynamic with it turned off used a bit of parametric EQ.

Whats your or any one else's thoughts on this topic. The proper distance surely has to do with both the screen material and type of speaker being used and maybe the speakers dispersion pattern? Just guessing. I don't see it discussed much but I have seen some talk here and there. I guest the best answer is probably trial and error and use what measures best. I need to get a laptop so I can use REW.

The screen material in my Elite electric drop down is woven and Elite called it 1080P2 at the time. Ive had it 3-4 years I think.

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Hey @COACH2369 . I had a question and was curious. How far back do you have your 4722's from your screen? Whats the distance between, say, the front of your center to the back of the screen?

I have mine about 6-7 inches for the center and my left and right are toed in towards about my left center seat arm rest for the left and the right center seat arm rest for the right. Thats the best it sounds from all ive tried. With my left and right toed in the edge of each speaker is pretty close to the screen. Once again through trial and error subjectively it sounds best with this toe in for my set up.

Ive tried different distances from the front of the center to the back of the screen and didn't hear a whole lot of difference. I need measuring equipment. I get a general idea from what Audyysey MultEQ32 shows but I think it sounds much more full and dynamic with it turned off used a bit of parametric EQ.

Whats your or any one else's thoughts on this topic. The proper distance surely has to do with both the screen material and type of speaker being used and maybe the speakers dispersion pattern? Just guessing. I don't see it discussed much but I have seen some talk here and there. I guest the best answer is probably trial and error and use what measures best. I need to get a laptop so I can use REW.

The screen material in my Elite electric drop down is woven and Elite called it 1080P2 at the time. Ive had it 3-4 years I think.

Whats your screen Coach?
I will attach a picture of my screen wall without the screen up. You will see that the area was designed to accommodate all three 4722's and my dual 24" DSS Marianas while keeping them behind the AT material.

The speakers are only a few inches from the screen and to my ears, everything has sounded amazing....especially since I upgraded the CD's in my 4722's and updated my room treatments. Zero complaints on my front sound stage. The 4722's are a two part speaker, so I was able to do minimally toe in the waveguide/horn every so slightly on the left and right....but not anything substantial.

Currently I am using a Falcon AT screen, Horizon material, but I am going to be switching it out for a Seymour XD screen very soon.
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I will attach a picture of my screen wall without the screen up. You will see that the area was designed to accommodate all three 4722's and my dual 24" DSS Marianas while keeping them behind the AT material.

The speakers are only a few inches from the screen and to my ears, everything has sounded amazing....especially since I upgraded the CD's in my 4722's and updated my room treatments. Zero complaints on my front sound stage. The 4722's are a two part speaker, so I was able to do minimally toe in the waveguide/horn every so slightly on the left and right....but not anything substantial.

Currently I am using a Falcon AT screen, Horizon material, but I am going to be switching it out for a Seymour XD screen very soon.
Cool. Nice that looks great! Love those Marianas! Looks really cool. Ya I use a lot more toe in then you the 3677 just happen to sound better in my space that way. Great super dynamic looking setup.

I stayed up all night and just hours ago I finished my theater. I did a quick manual calibration and had to change some distance settings since I new surrounds and placed them a bit diffently and it was for the better. I can't express how happy I am at how good the acoustics are now and how amazing the JTR Cap 1400s are! My other subs from HSU and PSA were like toys compared. The Caps have incredible midbass and dig so deep in my cement basement and sound so tight and punchy. I knew they would have great output but they sound wonderful while doing it! Plenty of headroom too. Best subs ive ever owned bar none.

I only did up to round -20db volume fairly low level listening and the Caps are awesome and the new JBL 9310 surround are better at blending and coverage of the room better then my JBL 8340a's did and they timber match better to the 3677. I only did about an hour of listening but the theater has never ever sounded so good. The acoustic panels make the room sound so much bigger and open. Like a completley new room. I need to get some sleep but Im extremely happy with my system. Beats any of my other systems by a land slide. Excited to tune it up even more.

Gunna get some sleep as i have no therapy today lol. Its working im feeling better and better.

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Cool. Nice that looks great! Love those Marianas! Looks really cool. Ya I use a lot more toe in then you the 3677 just happen to sound better in my space that way. Great super dynamic looking setup.

I stayed up all night and just hours ago I finished my theater. I did a quick manual calibration and had to change some distance settings since I new surrounds and placed them a bit diffently and it was for the better. I can't express how happy I am at how good the acoustics are now and how amazing the JTR Cap 1400s are! My other subs from HSU and PSA were like toys compared. The Caps have incredible midbass and dig so deep in my cement basement and sound so tight and punchy. I knew they would have great output but they sound wonderful while doing it! Plenty of headroom too. Best subs ive ever owned bar none.

I only did up to round -20db volume fairly low level listening and the Caps are awesome and the new JBL 9310 surround are better at blending and coverage of the room better then my JBL 8340a's did and they timber match better to the 3677. I only did about an hour of listening but the theater has never ever sounded so good. The acoustic panels make the room sound so much bigger and open. Like a completley new room. I need to get some sleep but Im extremely happy with my system. Beats any of my other systems by a land slide. Excited to tune it up even more.

Gunna get some sleep as i have no therapy today lol. Its working im feeling better and better.

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I am happy to hear you are enjoying the sound of the 9310's. IMO, the 8340a's were not that good. They were better than my previous Klipsch surrounds and did a better job keeping up with my JTR's at the time. It was a bit of a shock how much better my surround performance was when I jumped into the SCS8's. Once those were installed, I realized what I was missing. Of course since I only paid $50 per 8340a, I couldn't complain too much.

Subs were another upgrade that made a bigger difference than I thought they would. When I had three of the HSU VTF-15H subs, I thought I was in LFE bliss.....wrong. LOL Those bad boys couldn't keep up with the rest of the system.

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I am happy to hear you are enjoying the sound of the 9310's. IMO, the 8340a's were not that good. They were better than my previous Klipsch surrounds and did a better job keeping up with my JTR's at the time. It was a bit of a shock how much better my surround performance was when I jumped into the SCS8's. Once those were installed, I realized what I was missing. Of course since I only paid $50 per 8340a, I couldn't complain too much.

Subs were another upgrade that made a bigger difference than I thought they would. When I had three of the HSU VTF-15H subs, I thought I was in LFE bliss.....wrong. LOL Those bad boys couldn't keep up with the rest of the system.

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Thanks COACH yes im having a similar experience as you had. I really enjoyed the 8340a's I had and told many people how I thought they were a great surround compared to when I had Chase Sho-10s as surrounds. Now I feel like I was really missing out. These are way less harsh and just sound more refined and a waaaay better waveguide. At least for my setup. I bet the SCS8's sound even better! I was looking at them but were a bit out of my price range to afford dual Caps and 4 of the 9310's.

Ya with the subs too. I guy thinks they are in bass heaven until they get some badboy subs and then its just like you say.....wrong LOL. What a difference a capable good sounding pair of big brawny subs can do. Ive been missing out on alot of midbass as well as the lower dual digits hz I think cause when I put in a test tone disc i was getting great response from 10hz on up past 100hz then I stopped. I think my cement basement gives me lots of room gain on the low end. Im using 80hz crossover for every speaker at the moment as a starting point and I will tweak it more and more.

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Hello fellow enthusiasts and happy Friday! I am strongly leaning towards upgrading my current set up with a pair of JBL 4722N's (and I blame this forum for that!). However, I came across these locally and emailed the seller for a comparison and he did not have much information as he was not familiar with the 4722N's. I would greatly appreciate and input on which is the "better" speaker. In regard to cost, the used price is comparable to the new price of a set of 4722-N's. Thanks in advance! I have also attached a pic of the used speakers in question.

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Hello fellow enthusiasts and happy Friday! I am strongly leaning towards upgrading my current set up with a pair of JBL 4722N's (and I blame this forum for that!). However, I came across these locally and emailed the seller for a comparison and he did not have much information as he was not familiar with the 4722N's. I would greatly appreciate and input on which is the "better" speaker. In regard to cost, the used price is comparable to the new price of a set of 4722-N's. Thanks in advance! I have also attached a pic of the used speakers in question.

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old horn, old cd, would avoid. get the 4722s and swap in the 2453h-sl
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Hello fellow enthusiasts and happy Friday! I am strongly leaning towards upgrading my current set up with a pair of JBL 4722N's (and I blame this forum for that!). However, I came across these locally and emailed the seller for a comparison and he did not have much information as he was not familiar with the 4722N's. I would greatly appreciate and input on which is the "better" speaker. In regard to cost, the used price is comparable to the new price of a set of 4722-N's. Thanks in advance! I have also attached a pic of the used speakers in question.

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Id go with the 4722Ns. Or go active with 4722s.

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Hello fellow enthusiasts and happy Friday! I am strongly leaning towards upgrading my current set up with a pair of JBL 4722N's (and I blame this forum for that!). However, I came across these locally and emailed the seller for a comparison and he did not have much information as he was not familiar with the 4722N's. I would greatly appreciate and input on which is the "better" speaker. In regard to cost, the used price is comparable to the new price of a set of 4722-N's. Thanks in advance! I have also attached a pic of the used speakers in question.

JBL 4648A-8 dual 15" VGC low frequency cabinets combined with 2352 Optimized Aperture horns outfitted with the powerful 2447H titanium diaphragm compression drivers.

Thank you very much for the replies! I am going with your suggestions. Last request, with a show of hands, who is willing to call and break the news to my wife?

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I'll do it. Just put her on the phone. I will inform her that you are not getting the 5000 series you talked to me about over the weekend. Then she will be relieved how small the 4722's are and you will be golden.
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I'll do it. Just put her on the phone. I will inform her that you are not getting the 5000 series you talked to me about over the weekend. Then she will be relieved how small the 4722's are and you will be golden.
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I wonder if JBL will come out with new cinema speakers. The new VTX A12 is getting a rave response from anyone who's listening to them, even from those who generally dislike JBL. However, JBL's cinema speakers are not exactly preferred by many people (except maybe here on AVS). Many pro installers prefer QSC over JBL. I wanted to know if JBL is planning to change that around. If they can make the new VTX A12 sound so good, I wonder if they can produce new cinema speakers with a similar improvement in sound quality.
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The 120 deg conical dispersion for the SCS-8s may be too much for the front LCR. It's generally better to have tighter dispersion for the LCR channels, especially in the vertical dimension, and maybe a max of 90 deg horizontal L/R channels.
Crawling around the speaker forum, I've kind of latched onto the idea of using 11 of these for a 7.4 channel setup. What would be the tangible negatives of using such a wide-dispersion speaker for LCRs?

I really like the idea of using 11 identical speakers, and the brackets that these come with offer a perfect solution for mounting the surround and Atmos speakers, all in a package price that would be relatively affordable. I figure that down the road I could always upgrade the front three if I'm not happy with them, but I don't want to spend the money if it'll lead to immediate disatification.

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I've been loving my 3677 LCRs so very much since I've got them. Had them a few months now. Them along with the 8340a surrounds are a dynamite combo. Got my dual PSA subs sounding great too.

It's such a joy having my theater sound the way I've wanted it to sound. Satisfaction after years of trial and error. My wife loves the upgraded system too and comments frequently how much better and exciting our theater sounds as a whole. We've been just gorgeing ourselves with movies in our free time. Life is good.😀
How would you compare JBL Pro 9310 vs 8340s vs 8320s for use as surrounds?
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I am happy to hear you are enjoying the sound of the 9310's. IMO, the 8340a's were not that good. They were better than my previous Klipsch surrounds and did a better job keeping up with my JTR's at the time. It was a bit of a shock how much better my surround performance was when I jumped into the SCS8's. Once those were installed, I realized what I was missing. Of course since I only paid $50 per 8340a, I couldn't complain too much.

Subs were another upgrade that made a bigger difference than I thought they would. When I had three of the HSU VTF-15H subs, I thought I was in LFE bliss.....wrong. LOL Those bad boys couldn't keep up with the rest of the system.

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Can SCS 8 be mounted in ceiling or in a column for surround/atmos use?
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Can SCS 8 be mounted in ceiling or in a column for surround/atmos use?


Sure,but they're about 13" deep with the mounting bracket. I have mine on the ceiling for Atmos and on the side walls for left and right surrounds,great sounding speakers that are becoming more and more difficult to find,I'm thinking about finding a extra pair just to have in case something happens.


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Can SCS 8 be mounted in ceiling or in a column for surround/atmos use?
You could also just use the Control 328c which is the same drivers, but designed to go in-wall...
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How would you compare JBL Pro 9310 vs 8340s vs 8320s for use as surrounds?
When I ordered the 9310's the JBL rep told me they are the replacement for the 8350a. They share the same woofer and have similar specs. In comparison I would say the 8340a and the 9310 sound more similar then different. I happen to like the way the 9310 blends with my 3677's better then when I had the 8340a's. They also have better seat to seat coverage in my space. I like the new 2520 mounting bracket better too as it has more adjustments.

Im not a fan of the 8320's as they use a horn loaded soft dome tweeter instead of a compression driver. Both the 8340a and 9310 are great surrounds IMO. For a higher resolution speaker the SC8's are a great surround from what I have heard from others. I have not heard them myself.

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How would you compare JBL Pro 9310 vs 8340s vs 8320s for use as surrounds?
8320 is a toy (small cone and dome), 8340 is oldschool. 9310 is in a different league. It's also much larger than the 8320. The closest in the 8 series would be the 8350, which shares the m110-8 woofer, except the 8350 has the 2408H-1 CD and the 9310 has a 2414H. They're also discontinued, the 9310 replaced it.

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Sure,but they're about 13" deep with the mounting bracket. I have mine on the ceiling for Atmos and on the side walls for left and right surrounds,great sounding speakers that are becoming more and more difficult to find,I'm thinking about finding a extra pair just to have in case something happens.


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Why are the SCS8 hard to find? I just ordered a set of 4 for a customer a couple of weeks ago. There were plenty in stock (at the time).
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Why are the SCS8 hard to find? I just ordered a set of 4 for a customer a couple of weeks ago. There were plenty in stock (at the time).


Cool,I had heard that they were being discontinued.


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