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I can't even begin to imagine how amazing "Seeya" by Deadmau5 would sound in that stereo config with those 800 D3s. Reading that description really got me drooling for a pair, if only the funds permitted, but I can always dream.
I think you will be surprised at the fidelity of the recordings I managed to capture from each of the demos. I'll have them posted soon, just make sure to use good headphones or a subwoofer-equipped system.


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I'm surprised there is no Rotel gear in there since its both owned by same company? Or at least I always see Rotel gear with B&W in dealers.

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I'm surprised there is no Rotel gear in there since its both owned by same company? Or at least I always see Rotel gear with B&W in dealers.
That was a question that came up yesterday. Rotel is distributed, whereas Classé is owned by Bowers & Wilkins. I think in general 800 series gear gets paired with Classé. I did see some Rotel gear while I was there.

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That was a question that came up yesterday. Rotel is distributed, whereas Classé is owned by Bowers & Wilkins. I think in general 800 series gear gets paired with Classé. I did see some Rotel gear while I was there.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still using my rotel gear from 2004 and it is still kicking butt!
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We use Rotel routinely in all of our trainings, and I'm usually the lucky guy who gets to haul hundreds of pounds of it around the office. Wonderful equipment. However, Classé is on another level (as is the 800 Series.)

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PS: I'm looking forward to reading your review about how the B&W speakers sound in the cars, especially the BMW and the Volvo. The other two are a bit out of my price range as well!
We recently purchased the Volvo XC90, and my opinion the B&W system is the best sounding stock setup I've ever heard in a car.
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What is retail for a pair of speakers?

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We recently purchased the Volvo XC90, and my opinion the B&W system is the best sounding stock setup I've ever heard in a car.
Fantastic! The Volvo is on my list of cars to check out this Fall when I'll be ready to replace my current vehicle. Thanks for the feedback.
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Fantastic! The Volvo is on my list of cars to check out this Fall when I'll be ready to replace my current vehicle. Thanks for the feedback.
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New XC90 owner here with the B&W sound system. Unbelievable vehicle and I will echo the previous statement, best audio system I have heard to date. If you have rougher roads in your area, seriously consider the air ride suspension as well.
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I think you will be surprised at the fidelity of the recordings I managed to capture from each of the demos. I'll have them posted soon, just make sure to use good headphones or a subwoofer-equipped system.

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Can't wait to hear the 800 D3! The whole D3 series are some of the best speakers I've ever heard...and that's coming from someone who was never a fan of the previous-gen 800 series. If I'm not careful, I may black out and end up with a pair of 804D3 in my setup...

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If I had all the money to burn.


Those would be a dream speakers for a 7 set-up one,
Then what to use for the ceiling? if you want to go 11 or 13 set-up, not needed with those kind of speakers, but since you have money to burn, Why Not.


Since, I do not have the money, I do not have this problem


For the cars, the BMW 7 Series got my vote.


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There was a person on this forum that had older b&w (not sure model) in 5.1 layout. All towers all around. Heard he upgraded to something else? Maybe he will go back with b&w if he sees this?

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There was a person on this forum that had older b&w (not sure model) in 5.1 layout. All towers all around. Heard he upgraded to something else? Maybe he will go back with b&w if he sees this?
Are you talking about wse? He had 3 x 800D2 and 4 x 802D2 for a 7.2 surround but sold them off soon after D3 releases...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wha...le-set-up.html

Above is the link to his old thread with some pictures of the D2 series...

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The only problem I see with the 800 D3's is, how on earth do you mount six of them to the ceiling for Atmos duty?

Edit - On a more serious note, what are the acoustic treatments used in that listening room?

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The only problem I see with the 800 D3's is, how on earth do you mount six of them to the ceiling for Atmos duty?

Edit - On a more serious note, what are the acoustic treatments used in that listening room?
Good question... perhaps Patrick Butler can help.
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Are you talking about wse? He had 3 x 800D2 and 4 x 802D2 for a 7.2 surround but sold them off soon after D3 releases...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wha...le-set-up.html

Above is the link to his old thread with some pictures of the D2 series...
Yes thats him! I remembered him selling his speakers in classifieds for a good price (wish I could afford those speakers). Last time I heard from him was he was talking about trying out another brand such as focals or sonus faber, etc? Do you know if he replaced all with D3 line?

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Yes thats him! I remembered him selling his speakers in classifieds for a good price (wish I could afford those speakers). Last time I heard from him was he was talking about trying out another brand such as focals or sonus faber, etc? Do you know if he replaced all with D3 line?
He went with Sonus Faber. I believe a pair of Elipsa's for his fronts.
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The acoustic treatments in the room are from Vicoustic.

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Are you talking about wse? He had 3 x 800D2 and 4 x 802D2 for a 7.2 surround but sold them off soon after D3 releases...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wha...le-set-up.html

Above is the link to his old thread with some pictures of the D2 series...
Unless I am mistaken, I read a post on his for sale page towards the end of May, that he still had them for up for sale.
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B&W has clearly made a conscious decision to go upscale, and I find myself put off by it. When I was in my 20s I bought a pair of 802S3 speakers to replace my original 603s. The 802s were $4K list, about $6K in today's dollars, and my dealers always gave me a discount off that. The model was just off the top of the line. I've gotten a few other (always 800 series) B&Ws over the years and always felt they were in a competitive place in the market, and therefore represented good value. Naturally, that's subjective, but competition usually means you get more for your money.

Starting with the diamond series one, B&W started to tick upmarket - even at the time, I felt this was a conscious choice. Prices since then have gone stratospheric. I feel vaguely disappointed in my adopted home brand, and for the first time in ever, I'm considering other options as I redo things.

It's their brand, and I have no hold on them, nor do they owe me anything. I'm sure they will make more money this way. I'm also sure they represent less value than they once did.
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When you look at other speaker lines B&W D3's are not that bad. $26,500 for a Magico Q3 Bookshelf speaker as compared to $30,000 for a full range 800 D3. The cost of the B&W makes it look like an entry level model price wise compared to the rest of the Magico line up.
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The acoustic treatments in the room are from Vicoustic.

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Good question... perhaps Patrick Butler can help.
I did the analysis and final recommendation for this room for Vicoustic. How did the room's sound turn out? Sounds like everyone was pretty happy with it!
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I like the overall balance, but might prefer a bit more soak and less diffraction. Really a personal preference.

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I did the analysis and final recommendation for this room for Vicoustic. How did the room's sound turn out? Sounds like everyone was pretty happy with it!
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Those 800D3 have to be the most beautiful speakers out there
Just goes to prove, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Hi qzak,

Since its inception, 800 Series has always been about performance. Internally, we've been very conscious of the need to offer greater performance with each new generation while attempting to restrain cost. However, you simply can't get from point A to point B in the performance of mechanical parts without incurring additional costs. While some companies very consciously use all of the most expensive approaches to achieving performance, we constantly ask whether or not a performance goal can be met by less expensive means.

So yes, the 802D3 is vastly more expensive than the 802S3, but it also performs on an entirely different level relative to the 802S3, and is a stellar value next to products it competes against. We still offer less expensive products that take advantage of the R&D that informs our 800 Series. As an example, our CM10S2 handily outperforms the 802S3 for less money when you adjust for inflation. That's a boon for people like me who have CM10S2 money, but can only dream of owning 802D3.

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B&W has clearly made a conscious decision to go upscale, and I find myself put off by it. When I was in my 20s I bought a pair of 802S3 speakers to replace my original 603s. The 802s were $4K list, about $6K in today's dollars, and my dealers always gave me a discount off that. The model was just off the top of the line. I've gotten a few other (always 800 series) B&Ws over the years and always felt they were in a competitive place in the market, and therefore represented good value. Naturally, that's subjective, but competition usually means you get more for your money.

Starting with the diamond series one, B&W started to tick upmarket - even at the time, I felt this was a conscious choice. Prices since then have gone stratospheric. I feel vaguely disappointed in my adopted home brand, and for the first time in ever, I'm considering other options as I redo things.

It's their brand, and I have no hold on them, nor do they owe me anything. I'm sure they will make more money this way. I'm also sure they represent less value than they once did.
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