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Is there a back box option for the SCL-5, and any details on size?
Yes there is a back box. Here are pics and specs, this page was just put up today.

https://www.jblsynthesis.com/product...JBLSCL5AM.html

SCL-5 has a 6.5" woofer with high output capability (large motor system). It can be crossed over at 80 Hz and played at reference levels without strain.

They fit it into the same back box as the C763L, so it's a simple change out / upgrade. The back box is integral to the speaker.

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New from Arcam

Because Arcam is part of the Harman Luxury Audio Group (https://www.harmanluxuryaudio.com/), I thought folks on this thread might be interested to see what's new from them.


The new AV40 preamp has Harman DNA and is similar to the new JBL Synthesis SDP-55. It does not have Dante, Dirac bass management Auro and Logic 16. However, at $4,500 MSRP it is $1,500 less than the SDP-55 and will be available in December, the SDP-55 is not available until 2020.


The PA720 and PA240 power amps are similar to the new JBL SDA two and seven channel power amps. I'll post more when I know more, lol.
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Thank you.

If I am reading the model numbers correctly, I am assuming one of the towers has dual 8's and the other has dual 6's....
Also would be curious to know the wave guide info.

Correct on the model numbers re: woofer quantity and sizes. The wave guides are from M2 DNA. The new Revel F328Be and C426Be have new waveguides developed for those speakers. The JBL and Revel engineers have invested a lot of time and money in this technology.

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Damn, that's an expensive stand! So there wasn't an equivalent to the Studio 610 on-wall?

https://jp.jbl.com/on/demandware.sta...et_English.pdf
There is no on-wall in the HDI series and they are not the same as the Studio 6 series. The horns/waveguides in the HDI series are based on the M2.

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Correct on the model numbers re: woofer quantity and sizes. The wave guides are from M2 DNA. The new Revel F328Be and C426Be have new waveguides developed for those speakers. The JBL and Revel engineers have invesedt a lot of time and money in this technology.
Thank you for the information.
Have they announced when they will be available?
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Thank you for the information. Have they announced when they will be available?

You are welcome! Looks like early (January?) 2020.
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Spoiler!

Any idea on the pricing of the AVR's they announced?
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The new AV40 preamp has Harman DNA and is similar to the new JBL Synthesis SDP-55. It odes not have Dante, Dirac bass management Auro and Logic 16.[/IMG]

IOW, the Arcam is the Synthesis with literally all the good parts (and the intriguing but need a listen to judge part, Logic16) removed.

The forthcoming Monoprice is considerably better spec’ed (Auromatic) and likely cheaper. Arcam could’ve at least sprung for the Auro license to make it a relevant product. Did AudioControl announce pricing for their version?

Is there a Lexicon variant of the new pre-pro too, or will Lex soldier on with the old Lexicams for now?
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Any idea on the pricing of the AVR's they announced?

The processor and AVRs are priced as follows: AV40 ($4500), AVR30 ($6000), AVR20 ($4000), AVR10 ($2500).
The PA240 and PA720 amplifiers will be available in November 2019 for $3000 and $2500, respectively, and the PA410 in April 2020 for $1500.
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The AVR that was to the right of the AV40 is priced at 6,000.00. If that is what your asking.


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IOW, the Arcam is the Synthesis with literally all the good parts (and the intriguing but need a listen to judge part, Logic16) removed.

The forthcoming Monoprice is considerably better spec’ed (Auromatic) and likely cheaper. Arcam could’ve at least sprung for the Auro license to make it a relevant product. Did AudioControl announce pricing for their version?

Is there a Lexicon variant of the new pre-pro too, or will Lex soldier on with the old Lexicams for now?

Some folks may prefer the version with less stuff for less money. Haven't seen Lexicon yet but I think they put the new stuff in JBL and Arcam.

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Anyone know if the SDP-55 will be loaded with the appropriate dsp settings for BLU link required speakers such as the M2 and 708i?

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Don’t think so.

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@Rex Anderson @beastaudio @adidino - Does anyone know where to download the Harman target curve for the Lex MC10? I couldn't find it on Lexicon's website.
Arcam AV860 product page has them under download

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Seems that JBL Synthesis is introducing a "cheaper" surround processor which features Dante outout. I.e. a single ethernet cable for digital sound transfer between processor and DSP/amps. Personally, I think this is amazing news!
Speaking of Dante, am I reading this right that Dante even runs over your regular gigabit network alongside other network traffic, i.e. it's not a self-contained ring as BLU-link is?

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No, special network infrastructure is not required. Since Dante is based upon universally accepted networking standards, Dante-enabled devices can be connected using inexpensive off-the-shelf Ethernet switches and cabling.

Does Dante require a dedicated network infrastructure?

No, a dedicated network infrastructure is not required. Dante-enabled devices can happily coexist with other equipment making use of the network, such as general purpose PCs sending and receiving email and other data.
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The new JBL lline HDI also sounded quite nice. But they do have that typical JBL edge.
Sorry for posting this here after already posting the question in the Revel forum, but how would the JBL HDI 3800 compare to the Revel f208? They're priced the same. Are they designed for different uses?
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Sorry for posting this here after already posting the question in the Revel forum, but how would the JBL HDI 3800 compare to the Revel f208? They're priced the same. Are they designed for different uses?
The new HDI uses the m2 waveguide tech and a compression driver instead of a dome tweeter so your biggest difference between the two will be the amount of room interaction you get on the top end, where the f208 will sound more spacious and ambient, the HDI will likely have pinpoint accuracy and focus. It'll come down to personal preference IMO on which type of sound you appreciate more.
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Like it was mentioned above the HDI series has more in common with the M2.

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Seems like a waste of arguably the best upmixing ever.
I am hooked on Logic 7. What a fantastic presentation this codec provides. @sdurani had told me many times to try out multichannel audio. I had always loved native 5.1 audio but the codecs always seemed gimmicky to me. Not Logic 7, fan for life now.
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For the SCL-5 is the back box included or does it have to be purchased separately? looks like that the speaker is built into the box, i could be wrong.



Also regarding the JBL Pro 328c whats an ideal crossover for it as an atmos ceiling speaker? I have six installed in my ceiling with its back box.

with my new M2's and 708's i am listening more closer to reference, or even at reference sometimes.

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For the SCL-5 is the back box included or does it have to be purchased separately? looks like that the speaker is built into the box, i could be wrong.

Also regarding the JBL Pro 328c whats an ideal crossover for it as an atmos ceiling speaker? I have six installed in my ceiling with its back box.

with my new M2's and 708's i am listening more closer to reference, or even at reference sometimes.
Back box is integral to the SCL-5.

Specs on the 328 C say it is down 3 dB at 60 Hz, 10 dB down at 45 Hz. I would try crossover at 80Hz but you might need to go higher. Turn off all speakers except the 328 C's, play some torture tests and see what it can handle. If they crap out (I don't mean try to blow the speaker!), raise the crossover frequency until it can handle the material at the level at which you want to listen. Obviously, be very careful to not damage the speakers!

When we use Revel C 763L, we cross over between 120-140 Hz.

https://www.jblpro.com/www/products/...rol-328c#Specs

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Back box is integral to the SCL-5.


Specs on the 328 C say it is down 3 dB at 60 Hz, 10 dB down at 45 Hz. I would try crossover at 80Hz but you might need to go higher. Turn off all speakers except the 328 C's, play some torture tests and see what it can handle. If they crap out (I don't mean try to blow the speaker!), raise the crossover frequency until it can handle the material at the level at which you want to listen. Obviously, be very careful to not damage the speakers!


When we use Revel C 763L, we cross over between 120-140 Hz.


https://www.jblpro.com/www/products/...rol-328c#Specs

Thanks, amazing idea never thought of it! will try it on the weekend when i get a chance.
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Thanks, amazing idea never thought of it! will try it on the weekend when i get a chance.

I was a live sound and recording engineer for over 30 years. Early in my career when I was learning, I managed to blow a few speakers and fried an amp or two, lol. I learned to be cautious and had sine wave and pink noise generators, SPL meters etc. I liked to know what the limits were with my systems (PA's and studio monitors) to avoid the cost of repairs.
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I was a live sound and recording engineer for over 30 years. Early in my career when I was learning, I managed to blow a few speakers and fried an amp or two, lol. I learned to be cautious and had sine wave and pink noise generators, SPL meters etc. I liked to know what the limits were with my systems (PA's and studio monitors) to avoid the cost of repairs.
You were an engineer for nearly as long as i have been alive lol.

Always a pleasure to learn from the experienced. you are right, best to know the limits before exceeding them.

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I was a live sound and recording engineer for over 30 years. Early in my career when I was learning, I managed to blow a few speakers and fried an amp or two, lol. I learned to be cautious and had sine wave and pink noise generators, SPL meters etc. I liked to know what the limits were with my systems (PA's and studio monitors) to avoid the cost of repairs.
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New digital stuff is amazing. Most everything can connect over Ethernet.

It’s possible to mix from a tablet on the upper end.

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You'd laugh and be appalled to see what I had to deal with in 1976. Altec A-7's driven by Dynaco tube amps! The system was so not able to deal with the demands, when I tried to get the needed SPL the amps started on fire! And, they were located in the basement of the building! When I heard massive distortion, I had to turn off the console, ran to the amp room and put out the fire! Seriously, I could have burned down the building. Live and learn!
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