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HA!! I can see that. I hope it sounds as big as it is.
Actually to me most centers I've had that have 6 1/2 drivers all sound "big" just different sound signatures. 5 1/4 centers don't do it for me. Except for the chane a2.4 that didn't sound small to me at all. Actually wish I would of kept it just to go back and forth with the c2. But the "biggest" sounding center I ever had was a paradigm 5se speaker laid on it's side. Just had a nice thick over the top presentation. The 8 inch woofer in that speaker would outshine any other center I've had as far as sheer punch and "big" sounding. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like it though. Everything was big and exaggerated . Not accurate at all as far as dialog. But I never had to bump the center level up at all. Lol

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Quite the review and comparisons!

I'll quote your review here for posterity if that's ok:

"I've been looking for a front pair for about 6 months now, finally got my T-Zero pair and really couldn't be happier.

I tried the B1 first, and while my wife and I were both positively blown away by how real everything sounded, I felt that they didn't offer quite as much "oomph" as I wanted my fronts to offer, so naturally I returned them and picked up the T2. The "oomph" had arrived, but somehow neither of us were as "wow"-ed by the towers as we had been by the B1, and I'm wondering if it has something to do with the height of the tweeter relative to our seating position. It didn't help that the speakers were absolutely monstrously large and overwhelmed our basement (12 x 24 x 7-ish). So they went back, and I decided to try out some KEF speakers. I went with the Q350 first, and while they were pretty decent, that "wow" was still missing. So I upgraded to the R300, which have been on sale for some time now because of their replacements. They added some pretty stellar imaging + soundstage tricks, but still that "wow" we had with music the B1 just wasn't quite there.

I kept the R300 for a few months, then I saw the announcement for the T-Zero and they looked like kind of exactly what I'd been wanting from the T2, namely tweeter at about the same height as our B1 stand-mounted, more power handling than the B1 (this was an assumption based on the additional driver, I never bothered to verify in the specs), and significantly more svelte-looking than both the T1 and T2. Sold.

The T-Zero arrived today, and while it's obviously very soon to say much definitively, I can confirm that for us the magic has returned. There's just something about these that makes everything sound more like a live show than even the R300, which retailed for significantly more. And from what I can tell so far, imaging seems rock solid as well. If anybody has specific questions about how something sounds, I'd be happy to take a listen myself and try to explain. And if anybody's in the northern Indiana area (South Bend), I'd be open to demoing.

Every speaker I've been through has been powered by my trusty old 51-lb Boston Acoustics AVR-7120 receiver, which definitely has an adequate amount of power, and paired with the SVS PB13-Ultra."
Nice glad to read this , cause I' thinking of trying (getting ) the B1's..
You said the B1's wowed you but didn't oomph you , and the T1 oomphed you but didn't wow you?
What is the difference between ''wow'' and ''oomph'' exactly ...?
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If any one wants to sell there B1's used speakers , * maybe to upgrade to towers or other reason, pm me..I can give cash + 100$ amazon gift card.
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Nice glad to read this , cause I' thinking of trying (getting ) the B1's..
You said the B1's wowed you but didn't oomph you , and the T1 oomphed you but didn't wow you?
What is the difference between ''wow'' and ''oomph'' exactly ...?
That was a quote from a review link provided earlier so not my words.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Nice glad to read this , cause I' thinking of trying (getting ) the B1's..
You said the B1's wowed you but didn't oomph you , and the T1 oomphed you but didn't wow you?
What is the difference between ''wow'' and ''oomph'' exactly ...?
That's a quote from a post I did, I think on Emotiva's forums.

The B1 "wow"ed us by sounding very, very, very realistic. Like, scary realistic, specifically with acoustic guitar (Hotel California on "Hell Freezes Over" album). It was with louder/busier stuff that it didn't quite deliver enough "oomph" (slam, punch, impact, that sort of thing). When I switched to the T2 (not the T1), obviously those 8" woofers deliver the punch I was talking about, but that realistic sound was gone, hence the "no wow". I think the difference there was because the tweeter on the T2 is higher than the B1 (and T-Zero, and T1) and it wasn't quite hitting us in the right place. Either that or it really needs a beefier amp, which is possible. So, there was "oomph" but no much less "wow".
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That's a quote from a post I did, I think on Emotiva's forums.

The B1 "wow"ed us by sounding very, very, very realistic. Like, scary realistic, specifically with acoustic guitar (Hotel California on "Hell Freezes Over" album). It was with louder/busier stuff that it didn't quite deliver enough "oomph" (slam, punch, impact, that sort of thing). When I switched to the T2 (not the T1), obviously those 8" woofers deliver the punch I was talking about, but that realistic sound was gone, hence the "no wow". I think the difference there was because the tweeter on the T2 is higher than the B1 (and T-Zero, and T1) and it wasn't quite hitting us in the right place. Either that or it really needs a beefier amp, which is possible. So, there was "oomph" but no much less "wow".
Yea that's a usual compromise when you switch from bookshelf to towers...Clarity vs impact ..etc..
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@swartzy.baby you live in South Bend, huh? I'm originally from there and still do come back every other year or so to visit family.
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@swartzy.baby you live in South Bend, huh? I'm originally from there and still do come back every other year or so to visit family.
Yep, good ol' South Bend Family's about the only thing keeping us here, but we're probably here for a while yet.
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I ran Audyssey this evening and then watched several scenes from different movies. The T1s and C2 sounded fine, but didn't blow me away. I'm not real sure if I can tell much of a difference compared to the Elemental Designs. Especially from the Center. Dialog was clear, but sounded sort of weak like my Ed sounded. I played with the crossovers, moved Audyssey from Reference to Flat, Dynamic EQ on and off, etc. Doesn't sound bad at all, but still something missing. I have learned quickly that by moving my subs to new locations, they don't sound great and maybe that's what I'm missing from the system as a whole. I don't have much thump anymore and maybe is why deeper voice males don't sound as deep as I think they should. Nor do gravely voices have that gravel to them. They do seem quite natural.....very laid back. I'm thinking that bad room acoustics may be a big part of my issue. I have velvet panels on the side walls with Bass Traps in front corners and Rigid Fiberglass at First Reflection Points. Maybe the Velvet and the fiber boards are too much absorption of the Highs.

I played movies for over an hour. Mostly around -17 to -10dB. I felt the Denon AVR after and it was no hotter than it was when I left it on for several hours. I plan to mess around with movies and settings more next week and watch a full movie and just sit back and relax.

I think my next big step is to buy a mic and run REW with subs in multiple spots to see where is the best in the limited places I have to test.

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I ran Audyssey this evening and then watched several scenes from different movies. The T1s and C2 sounded fine, but didn't blow me away. I'm not real sure if I can tell much of a difference compared to the Elemental Designs. Especially from the Center. Dialog was clear, but sounded sort of weak like my Ed sounded. I played with the crossovers, moved Audyssey from Reference to Flat, Dynamic EQ on and off, etc. Doesn't sound bad at all, but still something missing. I have learned quickly that by moving my subs to new locations, they don't sound great and maybe that's what I'm missing from the system as a whole. I don't have much thump anymore and maybe is why deeper voice males don't sound as deep as I think they should. Nor do gravely voices have that gravel to them. They do seem quite natural.....very laid back. I'm thinking that bad room acoustics may be a big part of my issue. I have velvet panels on the side walls with Bass Traps in front corners and Rigid Fiberglass at First Reflection Points. Maybe the Velvet and the fiber boards are too much absorption of the Highs.

I played movies for over an hour. Mostly around -17 to -10dB. I felt the Denon AVR after and it was no hotter than it was when I left it on for several hours. I plan to mess around with movies and settings more next week and watch a full movie and just sit back and relax.

I think my next big step is to buy a mic and run REW with subs in multiple spots to see where is the best in the limited places I have to test.
I wonder if there is a break in factor too?
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That's a quote from a post I did, I think on Emotiva's forums.

The B1 "wow"ed us by sounding very, very, very realistic. Like, scary realistic, specifically with acoustic guitar (Hotel California on "Hell Freezes Over" album). It was with louder/busier stuff that it didn't quite deliver enough "oomph" (slam, punch, impact, that sort of thing). When I switched to the T2 (not the T1), obviously those 8" woofers deliver the punch I was talking about, but that realistic sound was gone, hence the "no wow". I think the difference there was because the tweeter on the T2 is higher than the B1 (and T-Zero, and T1) and it wasn't quite hitting us in the right place. Either that or it really needs a beefier amp, which is possible. So, there was "oomph" but no much less "wow".
You are selling your T1’s and T-Zeroes. Is there an issue with them? I have a pair of T1’s and a C2 coming soon and am wondering why you are selling what appears to be highly rated speakers. I noticed you also have T2’s but it sounds like you preferred the T1’s.
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I ran Audyssey this evening and then watched several scenes from different movies. The T1s and C2 sounded fine, but didn't blow me away. I'm not real sure if I can tell much of a difference compared to the Elemental Designs. Especially from the Center. Dialog was clear, but sounded sort of weak like my Ed sounded. I played with the crossovers, moved Audyssey from Reference to Flat, Dynamic EQ on and off, etc. Doesn't sound bad at all, but still something missing. I have learned quickly that by moving my subs to new locations, they don't sound great and maybe that's what I'm missing from the system as a whole. I don't have much thump anymore and maybe is why deeper voice males don't sound as deep as I think they should. Nor do gravely voices have that gravel to them. They do seem quite natural.....very laid back. I'm thinking that bad room acoustics may be a big part of my issue. I have velvet panels on the side walls with Bass Traps in front corners and Rigid Fiberglass at First Reflection Points. Maybe the Velvet and the fiber boards are too much absorption of the Highs.

I played movies for over an hour. Mostly around -17 to -10dB. I felt the Denon AVR after and it was no hotter than it was when I left it on for several hours. I plan to mess around with movies and settings more next week and watch a full movie and just sit back and relax.

I think my next big step is to buy a mic and run REW with subs in multiple spots to see where is the best in the limited places I have to test.
Sounds like a good plan. My C2 and it sounds pretty much exactly like my CLR-3000 did, and that had a 10" integrated subwoofer. I'm sure I could have cranked up the sub and it would have outpaced the C2, but for a realistic setup they're basically equivalent and the C2 has the edge in 'natural' and spaciousness to my ear.
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You are selling your T1’s and T-Zeroes. Is there an issue with them? I have a pair of T1’s and a C2 coming soon and am wondering why you are selling what appears to be highly rated speakers. I noticed you also have T2’s but it sounds like you preferred the T1’s.
The T1s are awesome, you're getting great sounding speakers, especially considering their price. I did prefer the T1 over the T2, but as I mentioned I think that had more to do with the height of the tweeter relative to our listening position.

I made a whole post about this somewhere, but honestly the reason I'm selling them is because I got it in my head that I wanted a pair of B&W speakers and was willing to up the budget to get them. So that happened, and now I've just got too many speakers sitting around in a space that's becoming smaller by the day.
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I wonder if there is a break in factor too?
There may be, even though there is a big debate on speaker break in....is it the speakers breaking in, or just our ears changing as we get used to a new sound.

I'm going to keep playing with them. I did put on a few scenes of the Hobbit and the Ed Sheeran song at the end sounded way better than my last set of speakers. Right now, I think my issue is with my Sub placement. My Denon set the crossovers of the T1s and C2 at 40Hz. I moved them to 80Hz, but am going to do some testing with them at 40Hz. My speaker is placed fairly low, but during dialogue of a movie, I moved my head from the ground and stood up and I could not hear any difference. The C2 must have a good vertical dispersion

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There may be, even though there is a big debate on speaker break in....is it the speakers breaking in, or just our ears changing as we get used to a new sound.

I'm going to keep playing with them. I did put on a few scenes of the Hobbit and the Ed Sheeran song at the end sounded way better than my last set of speakers. Right now, I think my issue is with my Sub placement. My Denon set the crossovers of the T1s and C2 at 40Hz. I moved them to 80Hz, but am going to do some testing with them at 40Hz. My speaker is placed fairly low, but during dialogue of a movie, I moved my head from the ground and stood up and I could not hear any difference. The C2 must have a good vertical dispersion
i think your issue is probably sub placement as well.. keep after it ..

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i think your issue is probably sub placement as well.. keep after it ..
I've been reading up on REW so I can test with my Subs in different locations. Because I have a Low ceiling, and can't get my Screen closer to the ceiling with my current PJ, my SVS Sub is too tall to fit in the front under my screen. So both are on opposite side walls. I never wanted a sub woofer on my riser in the back of the room, but I will use it as one of the test locations just because I'm limited with spots to place them.
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I've been reading up on REW so I can test with my Subs in different locations. Because I have a Low ceiling, and can't get my Screen closer to the ceiling with my current PJ, my SVS Sub is too tall to fit in the front under my screen. So both are on opposite side walls. I never wanted a sub woofer on my riser in the back of the room, but I will use it as one of the test locations just because I'm limited with spots to place them.
Will it fit if you lay it on its side?

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Will it fit if you lay it on its side?
I just measured. Yes, yes it will!! Will that have any negative effect on the Subwoofer performance by lying it on its side? Not that it would be worse than now.

My other is a Cylinder Sub, so it will have to remain on one of the side walls. I need to test it with both Subs on and just the Box Sub up front.

Is Rule of Thumb to have the Speaker aimed towards the listeners, the front wall, or towards the center or main? I know it's best to try all and re-run Audyssey for each....but just wondering if there is a rule of thumb.

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I just measured. Yes, yes it will!! Will that have any negative effect on the Subwoofer performance by lying it on its side? Not that it would be worse than now.

My other is a Cylinder Sub, so it will have to remain on one of the side walls. I need to test it with both Subs on and just the Box Sub up front.

Is Rule of Thumb to have the Speaker aimed towards the listeners, the front wall, or towards the center or main? I know it's best to try all and re-run Audyssey for each....but just wondering if there is a rule of thumb.
Well, this guy wrote to SVS to see if his cylinder sub was OK on its side and they said "yes"!

https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...ts-side.77516/

I've read some on AVS pointing the sub's woofer towards the wall with good results but I've always had mine pointing straight forward, not even toed in like front left and right are and that works fine as well.
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Well, this guy wrote to SVS to see if his cylinder sub was OK on its side and they said "yes"!

https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...ts-side.77516/

I've read some on AVS pointing the sub's woofer towards the wall with good results but I've always had mine pointing straight forward, not even toed in like front left and right are and that works fine as well.
Super. I'm so glad you brought this up. I wouldn't have though about lying my sub on its side. Especially not that tall cylinder. LOL. If I did the Cylinder like that, it would have to come out perpendicular to the front wall as it's too long to place between the Center and either L/R. But hey, it's a dedicated room and always dark, why not
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Super. I'm so glad you brought this up. I wouldn't have though about lying my sub on its side. Especially not that tall cylinder. LOL. If I did the Cylinder like that, it would have to come out perpendicular to the front wall as it's too long to place between the Center and either L/R. But hey, it's a dedicated room and always dark, why not
Subwoofers, unlike main speakers, seem perfectly happy in many orientations!

I certainly can't take credit for that little bit of advice as I too learned it here on AVS.

But not the Cylinder sub on its side; never seen that discussed here before though I'm sure it has.

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@tonybradley keep the crossovers at 80 imo
I didnt care at all for what Audyssey assigned to my system. Just manually made the changes to what I liked based on my room

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The T1s are awesome, you're getting great sounding speakers, especially considering their price. I did prefer the T1 over the T2, but as I mentioned I think that had more to do with the height of the tweeter relative to our listening position.

I made a whole post about this somewhere, but honestly the reason I'm selling them is because I got it in my head that I wanted a pair of B&W speakers and was willing to up the budget to get them. So that happened, and now I've just got too many speakers sitting around in a space that's becoming smaller by the day.
I received my T1’s and C2 a few days ago and have been testing them with various content. I have a small 10x14 room so the T2’s seemed to be overkill. Very impressed so far with everything I have heard. Vocals are spot on with the C2. The T1’s sound great in 2 channel with subs. And for Home theater use I am also very impressed. I went from Acoustech to Aperion to Onix Rocket and the Emotiva’s are definitely a winner. The highs are wonderful without being fatiguing. The midrange and bass are excellent. I couldn’t be happier. Not sure what I could upgrade to near this price point that would be as good for music and HT. To me the center channel is the key. I went from the Onix Rocket Bigfoot to the C2 and the C2 did not disappoint at all. Airmotiv’s are the best speaker bang for the buck overall in my opinion.
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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best. I like the sound of the T1s and the C2 just fine. The C2 produces clearer dialogue during Action Scenes than any other Center I've had. But, for as big as it is, I was looking for it to sound "bigger" than it does. I found that listening at -15dB or so on my Denon X3400H, I still have a lack of punch with the sub. With Dynamic EQ on, it definitely provides much better LFE at that volume, but during any scene with minimal LFE, there is a constant Low Frequency rumbling the entire time and it makes my ears hurt. Doesn't sound natural. I turned off Dynamic EQ and that constant LFE went away and was much more pleasing to my ears. However, the amount of LFE then dropped and many scenes just sounded to weak to me. Still have more trial and error, but due to time, it will have to be little by little.
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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best. I like the sound of the T1s and the C2 just fine. The C2 produces clearer dialogue during Action Scenes than any other Center I've had. But, for as big as it is, I was looking for it to sound "bigger" than it does. I found that listening at -15dB or so on my Denon X3400H, I still have a lack of punch with the sub. With Dynamic EQ on, it definitely provides much better LFE at that volume, but during any scene with minimal LFE, there is a constant Low Frequency rumbling the entire time and it makes my ears hurt. Doesn't sound natural. I turned off Dynamic EQ and that constant LFE went away and was much more pleasing to my ears. However, the amount of LFE then dropped and many scenes just sounded to weak to me. Still have more trial and error, but due to time, it will have to be little by little.
turn off dynamic eq.. turn up the sub level (after calibration ) in the settings.. this may help...turn down the sub level for regular use (music, reg. tv)
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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best. I like the sound of the T1s and the C2 just fine. The C2 produces clearer dialogue during Action Scenes than any other Center I've had. But, for as big as it is, I was looking for it to sound "bigger" than it does. I found that listening at -15dB or so on my Denon X3400H, I still have a lack of punch with the sub. With Dynamic EQ on, it definitely provides much better LFE at that volume, but during any scene with minimal LFE, there is a constant Low Frequency rumbling the entire time and it makes my ears hurt. Doesn't sound natural. I turned off Dynamic EQ and that constant LFE went away and was much more pleasing to my ears. However, the amount of LFE then dropped and many scenes just sounded to weak to me. Still have more trial and error, but due to time, it will have to be little by little.
What are you crossing the C2 over at? Also, what subs are you running? The better the sub(s) the higher you can set the crossover and still get quality "oomph". I've tried various settings with mine, 40hz, 60hz, 80hz. And am spending time now with it at 80hz, but 60hz sound really good as well.

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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best. I like the sound of the T1s and the C2 just fine. The C2 produces clearer dialogue during Action Scenes than any other Center I've had. But, for as big as it is, I was looking for it to sound "bigger" than it does. I found that listening at -15dB or so on my Denon X3400H, I still have a lack of punch with the sub. With Dynamic EQ on, it definitely provides much better LFE at that volume, but during any scene with minimal LFE, there is a constant Low Frequency rumbling the entire time and it makes my ears hurt. Doesn't sound natural. I turned off Dynamic EQ and that constant LFE went away and was much more pleasing to my ears. However, the amount of LFE then dropped and many scenes just sounded to weak to me. Still have more trial and error, but due to time, it will have to be little by little.

I know this is all subjective, but normally subs will only really kick in and stand out for certain sequences if you're dealing with movie soundtracks. Some have even been bass filtered/neutered for a strange reason (probably the mixer felt he or she needed to be soundbar friendly or some such nonsense). For music, it all depends on what instruments are being reproduced. If someone is speaking or a door shuts or some scenario like that, I wouldn't expect the sub to do much of anything if your cross-over is set correctly and not too high.
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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best. I like the sound of the T1s and the C2 just fine. The C2 produces clearer dialogue during Action Scenes than any other Center I've had. But, for as big as it is, I was looking for it to sound "bigger" than it does. I found that listening at -15dB or so on my Denon X3400H, I still have a lack of punch with the sub. With Dynamic EQ on, it definitely provides much better LFE at that volume, but during any scene with minimal LFE, there is a constant Low Frequency rumbling the entire time and it makes my ears hurt. Doesn't sound natural. I turned off Dynamic EQ and that constant LFE went away and was much more pleasing to my ears. However, the amount of LFE then dropped and many scenes just sounded to weak to me. Still have more trial and error, but due to time, it will have to be little by little.
As suggested try raising the subwoofer trim in the AVR menu.

Dynamic EQ with a 15 or 10db offset may also work for you.

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I know this is all subjective, but normally subs will only really kick in and stand out for certain sequences if you're dealing with movie soundtracks. Some have even been bass filtered/neutered for a strange reason (probably the mixer felt he or she needed to be soundbar friendly or some such nonsense). For music, it all depends on what instruments are being reproduced. If someone is speaking or a door shuts or some scenario like that, I wouldn't expect the sub to do much of anything if your cross-over is set correctly and not too high.
i agree with this .. if a person can feel the bass , that's about as good as it gets for most of us .. and that's in a small % of content..

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I moved my Sub to the front, and laid it on its side to fit under the screen. I then ran Audyssey again. Definitely sounds better than it did, but still not the best.
Remind us what subs you are using and how large the space is.

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