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Very odd situation but hey its your ears, your room, and you gave them a shot but didnt like them.
Hope you find the right speakers for your upgrade.
Surprised you didnt like the C2 either.

I dont know if Fluance speakers are warm, but pretty much if you think Emotivas are super bright not too many speakers you will like so I would target very warm speakers.

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I would have liked to post my impressions of the Fluance Signatures when I get them but it may not be worth the effort.I
If you dislike treble brightness, the Fluance are very unlikely to please you---the one consistent complaint they get is precisely that. But with them paying for return shipping, no harm in trying them.

If you want VERY safe bets on NON-bright speakers that are consistently described as "warm" with a built in treble roll-off, here are some suggestions:

1. Wharfedale Diamond 230 or 240
2. Q Acoustics 3050
3. Hsu HB-1 or HC-1

Sadly, none of the above offer free return shipping.
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... I would have liked to post my impressions of the Fluance Signatures when I get them but it may not be worth the effort. I apologize to the folks that remained civil and helpful.
I don't see much here but folks reacting to an unexpected outcome, but even if you post in a non-owner's thread, I would be interested in seeing a link your impressions.

I have tinnitus in both ears (sometimes more noticeable than others*).
I like string music (acoustic, folk/Irish/bluegrass, blues, classical, basically anything with strings) as well as classic rock and more modern stuff.
Klipsh speakers have bothered me in the past.
I liked the MartinLogan Motion 15 more than the B&W in BB/Magnolia.
I have the Q-Acoustics BT3 not sure how they compare to the 3000i or 3050, but very happy for the TV (optical in, sub out, bluetooth for wife's phone, IR remote, simple operation).

I have been planning on Emotiva, MartinLogan, Chane, or the BMR Philharmonitor when I get to set up an actual listening room/system (on up to Golden Ear and such when I am day dreaming).

So I would be interested in your preferences -- and honestly, what/why your experience differs from the expectation. Because I was a little worried that although I really liked the clarity of the MartinLogan in the show-room (both me and the wife picked it in as best an A/B test as you can get with their set-up), I wondered if I would get the ringing with a longer exposure.


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* Ringing loud right now, but hardly notice most days. I can't understand most folks speech on first pass and always use captions. However I do pretty well at the beep type of hearing test and can usually "rewind" (both mentally and actual rewind trick-play) and figure out what folks said - so seems to be a processing issue. One theory is that I am adapting to ignore the ringing, so have to consciously turn those freq/(?) back on, but I think there is a lot of guessing around this area.
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Everything wired securely. I switched back between bi amping and a few times and I could never tell a difference. mpk1970 requested proof that I in fact even purchased these speakers. So here is a photo of them packed up and ready to go back to emotiva. I haven't closed them up yet in case i need to insert some paperwork. I'm sorry that my tin ears did not like these speakers but it's time to stop beating a dead horse and move on.



I would have liked to post my impressions of the Fluance Signatures when I get them but it may not be worth the effort.I apologize to the folks that remained civil and helpful.
The Fluance Signature speakers have a reputation for being bright (atleast according to me and several other posters at the time of the "great Fluance screw-up" with the Sign towers), so it will be interesting to see what your impressions are of these...
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Everything wired securely. I switched back between bi amping and a few times and I could never tell a difference. mpk1970 requested proof that I in fact even purchased these speakers. So here is a photo of them packed up and ready to go back to emotiva. I haven't closed them up yet in case i need to insert some paperwork. I'm sorry that my tin ears did not like these speakers but it's time to stop beating a dead horse and move on.



I would have liked to post my impressions of the Fluance Signatures when I get them but it may not be worth the effort.I apologize to the folks that remained civil and helpful.
Please post your opinion of any speakers you purchase. I haven't interpreted any criticism about your opinion. Your ears, your money. You have every right to get what you want. Best of luck.

With that said. I have only heard the T1's and C1. I have heard speakers that I would describe as bright. Emotiva is not one of those. I have heard Dynaudio's that to me sounded bright. That statement would get me flogged in some threads. I keep a pair of Klipsch KG 5 because they have a detailed warm sound and absolutely no brightness. I have owned Heresy and thought they were bright.

I owned a Yamaha RXA 860. I thought it had a lean sound quality when compared to most AVR's I have owned. Perhaps that is contributing to some of your dislike because the Emotiva's are a heavier load than the Klipsch.

Doesn't matter if you are unhappy. Again, good luck.
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you never know what will do it for somebody's ears.. if nothing else it's a lesson learned in what he likes or dislikes..remember guys(i hope i'm preaching to the choir) it IS just a silly hobby.. i think we are observing very quick maturation into the hobby is all, mistakes are made(by us all)...

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I just received my Emotiva "factory renewed" set of speakers consisting of 2 pairs of the Airmotiv E2 surround speakers and the C2 center speaker.

They all looked brand-new once removing them from their cloth bags, nary a scratch to be found, the shipping boxes were new with all manuals unopened.

I am absolutely sure these speakers are not in any way "factory renewed" and that Emotiva is simply trying to get rid of excess inventory by offering a small discount.

Interesting enough, after i sent the payment via Paypal the company took off another $40 from the total cost, go figure !

As expected, after reading the reviews at Sound & Vision for the T1 line and at Secrets Of Home Theater And High Fidelity for the T2 and the C2, they sound superb, truly a best-buy bargain.

I am attaching the frequency response curves for the T2 and C2, the main reason i decided on these speakers : amazing near ruler-flat response from 40 Hz to 20 Khz.
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I just received my Emotiva "factory renewed" set of speakers consisting of 2 pairs of the Airmotif E2 surround speakers and the C2 center speaker.

They all looked brand-new once removing them from their cloth bags, nary a scratch to be found, the shipping boxes were new with all manuals unopened.

I am absolutely sure these speakers are not in any way "factory renewed" and that Emotiva is simply trying to get rid of excess inventory by offering a small discount.

Interesting enough, after i sent the payment via Paypal the company took off another $40 from the total cost, go figure !

As expected, after reading the reviews at Sound & Vision for the T1 line and at Secrets Of Home Theater And High Fidelity for the T2 and the C2, they sound superb, truly a best-buy bargain.

I am attaching the frequency response curves for the T2 and C2, the main reason i decided on these speakers : amazing near ruler-flat response from 40 Hz to 20 Khz.
congrats!
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did you buy the E2, C2 and T2s?

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I purchased two pairs of Airmotiv E2 for surround L/R and surround back L/R channels plus one "beastly" C2 center speaker.

I "mated" them with my pair of front left/right speakers which are humongous Sound Lab electrostatic flat panels that i would hate to part with (if for any reason, simply trying to move them out of my basement HT room would be a nightmare !), but based on the excellent review of the Airmotiv T2 at Secrets Of Home Theater magazine i would have no problem either purchasing them or recommending them to others.

In fact, if i had enough space for larger surround speakers, i would have definitely purchased two pairs of T1 instead of the E2.

I think Emotiva should consider introducing beefier surround speakers with a similar design : two folded ribbon tweeters on each side panel plus an 8" woofer, a pair of 3" midrange drivers and front ports on the front panel. That would be a set of "killer" surround speakers !
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I purchased two pairs of Airmotiv E2 for surround L/R and surround back L/R channels plus one "beastly" C2 center speaker.

I "mated" them with my pair of front left/right speakers which are humongous Sound Lab electrostatic flat panels that i would hate to part with (if for any reason, simply trying to move them out of my basement HT room would be a nightmare !), but based on the excellent review of the Airmotiv T2 at Secrets Of Home Theater magazine i would have no problem either purchasing them or recommending them to others.

In fact, if i had enough space for larger surround speakers, i would have definitely purchased two pairs of T1 instead of the E2.

I think Emotiva should consider introducing beefier surround speakers with a similar design : two folded ribbon tweeters on each side panel plus an 8" woofer, a pair of 3" midrange drivers and front ports on the front panel. That would be a set of "killer" surround speakers !
I definitely hope they continue to upgrade their speaker offerings in the future
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Ive been running audesay lately and it sets my speakers to very weird crossover (Front 40 Hz Center 150Hz and surrounds 120Hz) and wanted to know for the most part what you guys set the crossover for the C2 at.
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Ive been running audesay lately and it sets my speakers to very weird crossover (Front 40 Hz Center 150Hz and surrounds 120Hz) and wanted to know for the most part what you guys set the crossover for the C2 at.
Did the same to me
I hate Audyssey with a passion, everybody telling me for subs, speakers, its the BE ALL END ALL>> ALPHA OMEGA
That crap is horrible
It set mine at 40hz also
Just manually set everything to 80 hz
Set things to what sounds best to you, not some software
Let the pro's love Audyssey so they get "perfect" sound waves but sound like ****
Give me sloppy graphs via Audyssey but awesome sounding to my ears

anyhow, sorry about the rant, just 1 guys opinion might not mean much...but I would def set cross at 80 if you have good subs. I have great subs, and good towers with good low and I still rather see my subs working than the speaker drivers.
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I don't see much here but folks reacting to an unexpected outcome, but even if you post in a non-owner's thread, I would be interested in seeing a link your impressions.

I have tinnitus in both ears (sometimes more noticeable than others*).
I like string music (acoustic, folk/Irish/bluegrass, blues, classical, basically anything with strings) as well as classic rock and more modern stuff.
Klipsh speakers have bothered me in the past.
I liked the MartinLogan Motion 15 more than the B&W in BB/Magnolia.
I have the Q-Acoustics BT3 not sure how they compare to the 3000i or 3050, but very happy for the TV (optical in, sub out, bluetooth for wife's phone, IR remote, simple operation).

I have been planning on Emotiva, MartinLogan, Chane, or the BMR Philharmonitor when I get to set up an actual listening room/system (on up to Golden Ear and such when I am day dreaming).

So I would be interested in your preferences -- and honestly, what/why your experience differs from the expectation. Because I was a little worried that although I really liked the clarity of the MartinLogan in the show-room (both me and the wife picked it in as best an A/B test as you can get with their set-up), I wondered if I would get the ringing with a longer exposure.


v/r,
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* Ringing loud right now, but hardly notice most days. I can't understand most folks speech on first pass and always use captions. However I do pretty well at the beep type of hearing test and can usually "rewind" (both mentally and actual rewind trick-play) and figure out what folks said - so seems to be a processing issue. One theory is that I am adapting to ignore the ringing, so have to consciously turn those freq/(?) back on, but I think there is a lot of guessing around this area.
I had tinnitus in one ear only...very odd.
I got tested and I had medium hearing loss in that ear.
You need to get checked by an audiologist.
I wear a Lyric hearing aid in one ear now.

I have the Emotiva T1's, B1's and E1's. Still hooking them up in a 5.2.4 system. I will give my impressions once I'm up and running.
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Finally tried these Emotiva's out.

They are not bright in anyway. They are very good speakers
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So doing some Emotiva Airmotiv planning. I ordered the T2s and the C2 and I will get the B1s or E1s for surrounds. Question is how do the E1s sound compared to the B1s? I see the flatness in the E1s (physical flattens not sound wave flatness) and I wonder if they are giving up anything in sound. I will get the B1s for sure for my rear speakers but the E1s would be nice for side speakers but I just don’t want to give up any sound. What do you guys think that own them?
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So doing some Emotiva Airmotiv planning. I ordered the T2s and the C2 and I will get the B1s or E1s for surrounds. Question is how do the E1s sound compared to the B1s? I see the flatness in the E1s (physical flattens not sound wave flatness) and I wonder if they are giving up anything in sound. I will get the B1s for sure for my rear speakers but the E1s would be nice for side speakers but I just don’t want to give up any sound. What do you guys think that own them?
Congrats!
I have T2, C2,C1, B1s all have the folded ribbon twitter and their signatures are pretty similar. I would imagine the E1s have the same sound signature as the B1s.
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So doing some Emotiva Airmotiv planning. I ordered the T2s and the C2 and I will get the B1s or E1s for surrounds. Question is how do the E1s sound compared to the B1s? I see the flatness in the E1s (physical flattens not sound wave flatness) and I wonder if they are giving up anything in sound. I will get the B1s for sure for my rear speakers but the E1s would be nice for side speakers but I just don’t want to give up any sound. What do you guys think that own them?
I don't own them, but I have heard them. You do give up some mid to mid-lower frequency reproduction with the E1's compared to the B1's leading to possibly needing to raise the bass management crossover settings on the E1's beyond 80 Hz that you might use with the B1's.

This is due to the shallower cabinet volume.
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So doing some Emotiva Airmotiv planning. I ordered the T2s and the C2 and I will get the B1s or E1s for surrounds. Question is how do the E1s sound compared to the B1s? I see the flatness in the E1s (physical flattens not sound wave flatness) and I wonder if they are giving up anything in sound. I will get the B1s for sure for my rear speakers but the E1s would be nice for side speakers but I just don’t want to give up any sound. What do you guys think that own them?
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I don't own them, but I have heard them. You do give up some mid to mid-lower frequency reproduction with the E1's compared to the B1's leading to possibly needing to raise the bass management crossover settings on the E1's beyond 80 Hz that you might use with the B1's.

This is due to the shallower cabinet volume.
Great point but he probably don't even need to worry about it...if B1s are rears, E1s are side's, The T1s and subs will do most of the lower end.
E1s and B1s will just "fill in" vocals/voice/misc sounds

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I'm in a process of planning a compact basic HT for my bedroom and I have the B1, E1, C2 speakers as option on my short list to listen but I noticed that the C2 is a 4 Ohm center, does it mean that is it hard to drive or bad at low volume? At night I wouldn't use the system at loud levels, AVR will be something from the usual brands like a Denon X4500H or similar. Should I cross this from my list? I'm looking for something neutral/natural speakers and these are said to be that so I added to my listening list. Thanks in advance
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I'm in a process of planning a compact basic HT for my bedroom and I have the B1, E1, C2 speakers as option on my short list to listen but I noticed that the C2 is a 4 Ohm center, does it mean that is it hard to drive or bad at low volume? At night I wouldn't use the system at loud levels, AVR will be something from the usual brands like a Denon X4500H or similar. Should I cross this from my list? I'm looking for something neutral/natural speakers and these are said to be that so I added to my listening list. Thanks in advance
You will be just fine with a 4 ohm center like the C2. The X4500H is capable of driving speakers from 4 ohm to 8 ohm without any difficulty. Keep that nice center on your list
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You will be just fine with a 4 ohm center like the C2. The X4500H is capable of driving speakers from 4 ohm to 8 ohm without any difficulty. Keep that nice center on your list
Oh cool so it's not something to worry about, then Emotiva Airmotiv lineup stays on my list, high on the list maybe higher than the Polk Sig Since it's a speaker sound is the most important but I also love the look of the Emotiva Airmotiv, kinda reminds me of the Star Wars interior designs
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I'm in a process of planning a compact basic HT for my bedroom and I have the B1, E1, C2 speakers as option on my short list to listen but I noticed that the C2 is a 4 Ohm center, does it mean that is it hard to drive or bad at low volume? At night I wouldn't use the system at loud levels, AVR will be something from the usual brands like a Denon X4500H or similar. Should I cross this from my list? I'm looking for something neutral/natural speakers and these are said to be that so I added to my listening list. Thanks in advance
I run B1's and a C1 which is also 4 ohms rated with a Marantz NR1607 which is only 50w per channel and they sound fine and get loud enough; that Denon shouldn't have a problem at all.
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I run B1's and a C1 which is also 4 ohms rated with a Marantz NR1607 which is only 50w per channel and they sound fine and get loud enough; that Denon shouldn't have a problem at all.
Awesome, any reason why your choice was the C1 instead of the C2? I mean have you listened both or you just went with the C1?
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Awesome, any reason why your choice was the C1 instead of the C2? I mean have you listened both or you just went with the C1?
it's cheaper and smaller. Didn't need that big of a center channel with smaller bookshelves as fronts. Some have said the C2 might be over kill to go with B1's on a thread on here somewhere. I bought the C1 and B1 based off recommendations on here and a real good price for "like new" on Amazon.
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it's cheaper and smaller. Didn't need that big of a center channel with smaller bookshelves as fronts. Some have said the C2 might be over kill to go with B1's on a thread on here somewhere. I bought the C1 and B1 based off recommendations on here and a real good price for "like new" on Amazon.
I'm sure that dialog is great with both and sound signature should be similar, I might check the C1 out since I also want the B1 for fronts. I would search for it but too short to get result with the forum search
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Oh cool so it's not something to worry about, then Emotiva Airmotiv lineup stays on my list, high on the list maybe higher than the Polk Sig Since it's a speaker sound is the most important but I also love the look of the Emotiva Airmotiv, kinda reminds me of the Star Wars interior designs

It's only if you really crank the volume and stress the more puny receiver amps and shared power supply that adding an external power amp may be warranted.

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It's only if you really crank the volume and stress the more puny receiver amps and shared power supply that adding an external power amp may be warranted.
So these speakers only worth it if I use midrange AVR like the mentioned X4500H? However I won't need to crank the volume up since it's a small room.
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So these speakers only worth it if I use midrange AVR like the mentioned X4500H? However I won't need to crank the volume up since it's a small room.
Nope. I was running my B1/C1 front stage with a 12 year old, $200 Panasonic AVR for half a year, zero problems, didn't even get any warmer than with my previous speakers.
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So these speakers only worth it if I use midrange AVR like the mentioned X4500H? However I won't need to crank the volume up since it's a small room.

Some cheaper receivers may overheat when driving less resistant speakers and/or those with lower sensitivity ratings. It really depends. Me? I always used outboard power amps and then went exclusively to pre-amp/amp combos, but since this is a bedroom situation and smaller speakers you might get away with a somewhat cheaper receiver... as long as it as the requisite Dolby Atmos renderer for the speaker layout you want.

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