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Your input would also be appreciated Zorba922.
Well, I'm not a fan of the Infinity Primus for music use because I prefer a different sound signature, but for HT I think they'll be ok, no lack of treble energy there.

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Well, I'm not a fan of the Infinity Primus for music use because I prefer a different sound signature, but for HT I think they'll be ok, no lack of treble energy there.
Oh, I meant the BIC DV62si
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Ordered the EMP's. Will let you know how they sound in a little over a week.

If I forget and someone sees this, just post here and I will get an e-mail reminder
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Ordered the EMP's. Will let you know how they sound in a little over a week.

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Might as well lowball that Bic seller since you got the EMPs; can always use them as surrounds. Ask to see behind the grills though.
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Might as well lowball that Bic seller since you got the EMPs; can always use them as surrounds. Ask to see behind the grills though.
I like the way you think.

I also need to stop checking my phone at 2:50am.
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I like the way you think.

I also need to stop checking my phone at 2:50am.
They sold as low as 19.99 on eBay (not counting shipping)... starting point for haggling if you want. Of course he'll probably tell you to get lost, but nothing to lose by trying.
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Oh, I meant the BIC DV62si
If you can get them for under $50/pair they'd be ok, but no comparison to the BIC FH-6 or their other horn-loaded speakers.

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16 gauge works perfectly fine. Although for slightly more I would rather go 14 gauge. Monoprice sells them for quite cheap.
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If you can get them for under $50/pair they'd be ok, but no comparison to the BIC FH-6 or their other horn-loaded speakers.
He never got back to me. I'll just use the Realistic Minimus 7's for now. People seem to really respect them. They're much smaller but they will get the job done for the time being.

Now, since I cancelled that center channel order, I really would like to find something for the center channel as I'd rather not have a 'phantom' one.

EMPTek's is a little pricey, so is there an alternative that would go well with these new R5Bi's?
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I'll just use the Realistic Minimus 7's for now. People seem to really respect them. They're much smaller but they will get the job done for the time being.
Nothing wrong with Minimus 7's. I am using 4 of them as surrounds in my TV room. Matched with a sub and crossed at 110 Hz, they do a nice job in a fairly small room and the wife does not complain about the size. I have 7 pair of the Minimus 7 and Minimus 77 series speakers and it is hard to beat the sound in a speaker that small and that cheap. Great to take with you to test used equipment you are thinking of buying.

You can sometimes pick up a single one on eBay for cheap and that would be a consideration for a center,
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Now, since I cancelled that center channel order, I really would like to find something for the center channel as I'd rather not have a 'phantom' one.

EMPTek's is a little pricey, so is there an alternative that would go well with these new R5Bi's?
Yes, there is:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-FH.../dp/B0015A8Y3E

An even cheaper center, which one forum user (gajCA) has high praise for, is the Dayton c452:
https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-.../dp/B014VIX0YY
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...eaker--300-453

Well, in an 11.5 x 11.5 room you'll probably be sitting what, maybe 8 feet away from the speakers? I would FIRST seriously experiment with toeing in the speakers and trying different distances between them to see if you MIGHT be able to live without a center...if the EMPs will be less than say, 5 or 6 feet apart then you might be surprised. From all that I've read about the R5Bi, they have excellent clarity and imaging so you just might be ok at least until the BIC FH-6LCR comes back in stock at the Walmart website, because that is the route that will give you the easiest means of returning in case (unlikely, IMO, but not impossible) you don't like it...you won't incur any return shipping charges unlike with the Dayton.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-LC...eaker/10298559

PS. Just an FYI: the smaller EMPTek R5Ci center that normally sells for $200 shipped sometimes will pop up in that B-stock sale at a nice discount.

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Now, since I cancelled that center channel order, I really would like to find something for the center channel as I'd rather not have a 'phantom' one.
Here you go. 3 Minimus 7's for $60 shipped. Use one for the center and then you have 4 of them for surrounds, All you need is a sub and you are good to go.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-3-VIN...AAAOSwV0RXq9SR
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Yes, there is:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-FH.../dp/B0015A8Y3E

An even cheaper center, which one forum user (gajCA) has high praise for, is the Dayton c452:
https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-.../dp/B014VIX0YY
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...eaker--300-453

Well, in an 11.5 x 11.5 room you'll probably be sitting what, maybe 8 feet away from the speakers? I would FIRST seriously experiment with toeing in the speakers and trying different distances between them to see if you MIGHT be able to live without a center...if the EMPs will be less than say, 5 or 6 feet apart then you might be surprised. From all that I've read about the R5Bi, they have excellent clarity and imaging so you just might be ok at least until the BIC FH-6LCR comes back in stock at the Walmart website, because that is the route that will give you the easiest means of returning in case (unlikely, IMO, but not impossible) you don't like it...you won't incur any return shipping charges unlike with the Dayton.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-LC...eaker/10298559

PS. Just an FYI: the smaller EMPTek R5Ci center that normally sells for $200 shipped sometimes will pop up in that B-stock sale at a nice discount.
Fair point. My question is: If I don't have a center but I want to use surrounds, will that receiver know to spread out what would've been the center channel to the front left and front right?

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Here you go. 3 Minimus 7's for $60 shipped. Use one for the center and then you have 4 of them for surrounds, All you need is a sub and you are good to go.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-3-VIN...AAAOSwV0RXq9SR
The receiver will be 5.1 so I only would need that two I own.

The 77 isn't a bad center too. I use it in another setup as a center with ooooold infinity speakers (don't know the model).
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Denon receivers will typically handle a phantom center just fine. But you could double check by asking here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...topics/2021353

My suggestion would be to hold off on the center for now and hold out for the matching center. See number 2:
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Or simply order another emptek bookshelf and use it horizontally. Another member has reported no problems doing so.

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Fair point. My question is: If I don't have a center but I want to use surrounds, will that receiver know to spread out what would've been the center channel to the front left and front right?
Oh yeah, every receiver will do that---some you'll have to specify in the setup that there is no center, others will just auto-detect.

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Denon receivers will typically handle a phantom center just fine. But you could double check by asking here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...topics/2021353

My suggestion would be to hold off on the center for now and hold out for the matching center. See number 2:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...setup-faq.html

Or simply order another emptek bookshelf and use it horizontally. Another member has reported no problems doing so.
Honestly, those threads only make things more disorganized. Am I meant to scan through 328 pages of responses with a hundred different conversations going on at once? Even the search only pulls up very short excerpts of posts containing your keyword, requiring you to click on said post just to find out it was not what you were looking for... /rant

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Oh yeah, every receiver will do that---some you'll have to specify in the setup that there is no center, others will just auto-detect.
Okay, good! I hope so
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EMPTek's is a little pricey, so is there an alternative that would go well with these new R5Bi's?
If it was me, I'd either go for the cheap Dayton center (going with the assumption it's decent, but I never tried it) ... or just look over CL and pick up something cheap there.

That would tide you over until either the emptek center goes on sale (read they have Black Friday sales too) ... or the BIC comes back in stock. Then just resell your spare cheapo center, or re-purpose it for something else.
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Honestly, those threads only make things more disorganized. Am I meant to scan through 328 pages of responses with a hundred different conversations going on at once? Even the search only pulls up very short excerpts of posts containing your keyword, requiring you to click on said post just to find out it was not what you were looking for... /rant
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But you could double check by asking here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...topics/2021353
jdsmoothie, the thread starter, works for AVS Science selling Denon receivers and put together the third post, the 2015 Denon AVR FAQ, Setup, and Troubleshooting Guide. He is often very helpful at answering Denon questions, and sometimes other people jump in as well.

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The 77 isn't a bad center too. I use it in another setup as a center with ooooold infinity speakers (don't know the model).
If you have its mate, give that a try. Or you could try the one you have as a center and see how it compares to a phantom center in your setup. Easy enough to hook and unhook a center and change the setup in the receiver. I still like the idea of an all Minimus 7 system.
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Yes, there is:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-FH.../dp/B0015A8Y3E



An even cheaper center, which one forum user (gajCA) has high praise for, is the Dayton c452:

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-.../dp/B014VIX0YY

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...eaker--300-453



Well, in an 11.5 x 11.5 room you'll probably be sitting what, maybe 8 feet away from the speakers? I would FIRST seriously experiment with toeing in the speakers and trying different distances between them to see if you MIGHT be able to live without a center...if the EMPs will be less than say, 5 or 6 feet apart then you might be surprised. From all that I've read about the R5Bi, they have excellent clarity and imaging so you just might be ok at least until the BIC FH-6LCR comes back in stock at the Walmart website, because that is the route that will give you the easiest means of returning in case (unlikely, IMO, but not impossible) you don't like it...you won't incur any return shipping charges unlike with the Dayton.



http://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-LC...eaker/10298559



PS. Just an FYI: the smaller EMPTek R5Ci center that normally sells for $200 shipped sometimes will pop up in that B-stock sale at a nice discount.


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The R5Bi's that is.
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The R5Bi's that is.
Glad to hear that. You ok without a center for now?

I think the BIC FH-6 is back in stock, or you could order a 3rd R5Bi and lay it on its side for about the same price.

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Glad to hear that. You ok without a center for now?



I think the BIC FH-6 is back in stock, or you could order a 3rd R5Bi and lay it on its side for about the same price.


They sound great without the center.


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They sound great without the center.
You said you're sitting what, less than 8 feet away from them? It makes sense then, especially if they are closer together than 8 feet.

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Hello all,

Was hoping to get some opinions on the following setup for my new apartment bedroom:
  • Pioneer Andrew Jones SP-BS22 - Front L/R
  • Pioneer Andrew Jones SP-C22 - Center
  • Pioneer SW-8MK2 - Subwoofer
  • Realistic Minimus 7 - Back L/R
  • Denon AVR-S510BT - Receiver

Also 16-gauge Amazon Basics speaker wire will suffice for these speakers, correct?
For a college system, if you care about sound, get a Paradigm MilleniaOne system. Buy it from a dealer, not online, and find a dealer willing to cut you a discount. You can buy this in parts if money is tight - 2 speakers and sub get the center and surrounds later. I wish that were around back when I was in college. A system like that can't be beat.
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