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Last time I priced them for him (3 or 4 months ago maybe?) they were still $140/ea + SH or $150/ea shipped from eBay, and even then I was still recommending them to him.

damn, forgot to include speakers stands


are these the ones that would fit with those speakers?
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ill cancel the order and reorder again
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i ordered six of those, 2 per speaker thanks.
You would only need 3 of those plugs, just on the speaker end... bare wire or banana plugs into the AVR.

And yes, those stands should fit.

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damn, cant cancel the order now. the stands would have been shipped free with the speakers.
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damn, cant cancel the order now. the stands would have been shipped free with the speakers.
I'd call or chat with them early tomorrow morning (pacific time) and see if they can add them to the order.

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...instead of the three plugs you won't need.

Good luck.
And please post your impressions here after you get them.
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...instead of the three plugs you won't need.

Good luck.
And please post your impressions here after you get them.
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im not going to use a subwoofer with these in the garage and im going to use a 50 watt tube amp with them.
does this make using them not worth it? i can still refuse delivery.

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It's certainly not worth refusing delivery. It would just have been nice if, while you were adding the stands to the same order to, hopefully, still get free shipping, you would be able to eliminate the plugs you won't need. Not a bid deal at the cost.
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damn, cant cancel the order now. the stands would have been shipped free with the speakers.
I don't think the stands would have been shipped free. The free shipping offer was on the speakers, it was not site-wide. For me, shipping from Monoprice is always expensive and I can sometimes buy the same Monoprice item from Amazon for less.

The buy on the speakers was probably the lowest they have ever been. $58 each with free shipping is an incredible bargain.
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I don't think the stands would have been shipped free. The free shipping offer was on the speakers, it was not site-wide. For me, shipping from Monoprice is always expensive and I can sometimes buy the same Monoprice item from Amazon for less.

The buy on the speakers was probably the lowest they have ever been. $58 each with free shipping is an incredible bargain.

well when i ordered i didnt think it through. i didnt think youd need to use a subwoofer with these 10' woofers.

anyone in los angeles want 3 of these brand new unopened? ill charge what i paid. i think it was less than 2 bills. must meet locally. cant ship these.
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well when i ordered i didnt think it through. i didnt think youd need to use a subwoofer with these 10' woofers.

anyone in los angeles want 3 of these brand new unopened? ill charge what i paid. i think it was less than 2 bills. must meet locally. cant ship these.
These have extension down to 50Hz. You might be surprised at how they sound without a sub. Put them up against a back wall and that will help the bass. The most impactful bass is above 50Hz. If you are using them for music then you won't be missing much without a sub. I am sure they are often used in pro audio situations without a sub. I would at least give them a listen before you decide. They are 15" woofers, not 10".
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So for you people who supposed to listen to REAL music, how do you settle for a bass response down to 50hz if the lowest note on a bass guitar is 41hz and a piano is 27.5hz?

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The very lowest notes are only rarely played and, for the average person, if you can't hear the very lowest notes through your speakers then you don't even know they're being played and don't miss them. If you're obsessive about hearing every single note and you anguish over missing the very lowest notes then you prioritize having a full-range speaker system.
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An interesting discussion, as over in the subwoofer threads the exact argument rages on, but at 20hz and below.
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will these connectors work?
the ones recommended earlier are 2 pole, these are 4 pole whatever that means.

but i can get these delivered much faster than monoprice

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Yes, you'll just wire two poles (1+ and 1-).
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Yes, you'll just wire two poles (1+ and 1-).

ordered. should get plugs saturday


cant wait to hear these speakers
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Like the Behringer thread, I expect some "expert" analysis of why this speaker probably doesn't sound good. Those are my favorite comments because they almost invariably do not involve first-hand experience/listening.

AVS can be like quicksand, where people get stuck on one issue (not just when it comes to speakers). Will this thread wind up hosting a clinic on what the crossover should have been? Possibly.
I once worked on a speaker much like this one: an entry-level two-way 15" with an inexpensive (but efficient) HF/waveguide section. On axis (after some voicecoil and suspension changes), the fifteen was reasonably smooth out to 3 kHz, above which point it fell off at 24 dB/octave naturally. Adding a LPF to the woofer did not smooth it much but did drop the sensitivity a dB or two. It was nice to eliminate a coil, even though we wound our own.

This was one of our better-sounding pieces, and quite successful -- sold thousands. And try as we might, we never did get the 12" version to sound as good, even with the same motor and a similar cone.
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Bet you keep them!

Correct! Thru is for daisy chaining like this.
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i connect the speaker plugs into the input, not the thru, correct?
Yes.
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Yes.
oh wowwww

i like the treble on these tweeters, plenty of bass for music
these are LOUD at halfway volume on monoprice hybrid 50 watt tube amp. but they start to distort there.
soundstage is huge, fills up my garage easily.

whats a good $100 more or less amp/mixer to use with these? preferably from monoprice. id like plenty of juice, and variety of connections like headphone jack, bluetooth to use with computer, cd player, iphone etc.
already thinking of taking these out in the summer to gatherings.

*i just noticed plastic piece broke off the speaker probably during shipping. hope this is not a refurbished unit.
i dont know if that affects performance. i put duct tape over it. id hate to return it because i paid $64 per speaker with free shipping included*
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oh wowwww

i like the treble on these tweeters, plenty of bass for music
these are LOUD at halfway volume on monoprice hybrid 50 watt tube amp. but they start to distort there.
soundstage is huge, fills up my garage easily.

whats a good $100 more or less amp/mixer to use with these? preferably from monoprice. id like plenty of juice, and variety of connections like headphone jack, bluetooth to use with computer, cd player, iphone etc.
already thinking of taking these out in the summer to gatherings.

*i just noticed plastic piece broke off the speaker probably during shipping. hope this is not a refurbished unit.
i dont know if that affects performance. i put duct tape over it. id hate to return it because i paid $64 per speaker with free shipping included*
I think that panel just hides the crossover so it does not affect the sound at all. Monoprice might be willing to send you a replacement part. I don't know if they do that but it would make a lot of sense in this case. The Monoprice $99 pro-sound amp would have plenty of power for these, but not sure if it has all the inputs you're looking for. It does not have bluetooth. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24671

I also bought 3 of these. They just arrived today. I don't need them but I can't pass up a bargain.
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If I have setup of 3 Behringer B215XL for my LCR, is it worth to upgrade to these? I know that some have compared these to the Behringers and said that they like the Monoprice better. Wish I would have gotten these instead especially for the sale price!

Not sure if it's worth getting these instead and trying to sell the Behringers but I would if they do sound better.
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I picked up a pair of these on the recent sale for just $120 delivered w/a projector mount (used the $30 off $150 coupon). When I first hooked them up they sounded a bit bright/harsh, but that went away pretty quickly after breaking them in with some music for several hours. Upon listening to them after break-in I was blown away! The sound stage that these put out is incredible, even in my enclosed 15x22 theater room it was hard to pinpoint the source of the sound with my eyes closed. And once the harshness went away they have a very nice full rich sound to them, at least down to the 80Hz crossover point that I have set for my mains. I threw every watt of power I have at them (220W RMS/ch) and they didn't even break a sweat....but my ears just about broke. Even at max volume (using a very high quality ATI amp) there was no signs of distortion or being pushed to the max. I didn't buy these for home theater use, I have a set of DIYSG 1099's for that already, but I'll be damned if these don't sound nearly as good (if not just as good) as the 1099's - for SIXTY FREAKING DOLLARS EACH! Wow.
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If I have setup of 3 Behringer B215XL for my LCR, is it worth to upgrade to these? I know that some have compared these to the Behringers and said that they like the Monoprice better. Wish I would have gotten these instead especially for the sale price!
Not sure if it's worth getting these instead and trying to sell the Behringers but I would if they do sound better.
I was in the same situation when this thread first began. I had just purchased three B215XL when Mark Henninger reported the virtues of the Monoprice with better bass at a lower price. Though I don't know of anyone who has done a direct side by side comparison, Mark lived with both speakers at different times for several weeks. His feedback (if I remember) was that they are more similar than different, especially after bass management and EQ.
I personally decided not to make the switch, or go to the bother of ordering a Center Stage because I live in Canada.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts however if you decide to conduct a direct comparison.
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I didn't buy these for home theater use, I have a set of DIYSG 1099's for that already, but I'll be damned if these don't sound nearly as good (if not just as good) as the 1099's - for SIXTY FREAKING DOLLARS EACH! Wow.

I am a huge proponent of controlled testing, with level matched direct switching in a blind setup.
When however, the obvious underdog in a comparison comes out with a great review, against all biases, I take notice.
Thanks for your feedback.
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If I have setup of 3 Behringer B215XL for my LCR, is it worth to upgrade to these?
AIUI, they are more similar than different. I doubt you would consider it an upgrade, so enjoy the Berries you have.
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Thanks guys for the feedback. I do like the Berries very much! Creates a huge sound stage for me ... which is missing on most home theater speakers IMHO. Like you said, it would probably really hard to tell the difference between the two so will keep them. Has anyone found what surround speakers or atmos speakers that matches these PA speakers? I don't need huge 15" woofers either though.
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They don't need to "match." They are responsible for much less than the mains, so you can get away with whatever fits (your room, your budget, WAF, etc.).
They'll just cost more.


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I once worked on a speaker much like this one: an entry-level two-way 15" with an inexpensive (but efficient) HF/waveguide section. On axis (after some voicecoil and suspension changes), the fifteen was reasonably smooth out to 3 kHz, above which point it fell off at 24 dB/octave naturally. Adding a LPF to the woofer did not smooth it much but did drop the sensitivity a dB or two. It was nice to eliminate a coil, even though we wound our own.

This was one of our better-sounding pieces, and quite successful -- sold thousands. And try as we might, we never did get the 12" version to sound as good, even with the same motor and a similar cone.
I really appreciate you sharing your personal experience with this type of speaker design. In almost every comparison I've read over the years the 15" version of the various inexpensive ABS cabinet DJ-type speakers is favored over the 12" versions for home theater and music. It's interesting that in many cases the crossover point for the 15" models is actually higher than the 12" models. It's certainly counterintuitive to prevailing audiophile standards to cross a 15" woofer at ~3,000 Hz but your explanation about the natural roll-off of the 15" at that point which eliminates the need for a coil which in turn enhances sensitivity makes all the sense in the world in terms of bang for the buck for this type of speaker.

Every speaker design represents a series of compromises, and the more each compromise is reduced the more cost is added. The 15" woofer with minimal crossover components handing off to a horn/compression driver at ~3,000 Hz certainly has its own set of pros and cons, with efficiency and low cost being the most obvious pros. All the cons I've seen cited are things I could live with in my home audio/video setup in exchange for those pros. By almost all accounts the 15" version seems to be the sweet spot.

I suspect that most of the inexpensive 15" versions are produced in the same speaker factories in China and have pretty similar performance. But it would take some comparison testing to know for sure. For example it seems the Monoprice may have at least a slight performance advantage over the Behringer. If the Rockville performs at about the same level it may have a slight visual advantage for some on the basis of the full metal grille giving it a more traditional home speaker appearance, at least from the front. But big black ABS cabinet speakers are never going to have a high WAF.
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Currently in my home theater I am using the speaker I mentioned. It was built back in the days before molded plastic enclosures, so it is somewhat larger (better bass response) and more rigid (less panel resonance). The woofer is more powerful than the ones in the Monoprice/Behringer, with over twice the motor force. It's not often that a 15-inch high-sensitivity driver has a smooth top end -- they tend to take off a bit up there, like electric guitar speakers. A key factor was the cone, chosen by my boss who had decades of experience with all kinds of cone materials and geometries. All I had to do was get the voicecoil and gap depth right and keep from mucking it up with a crossover network.

These types of speakers of course do have somewhat narrow horizontal dispersion at the high end (plus/minus 15 degrees on axis), but this is not necessarily a bad thing in a small room where most of the wall reflections interfere with the direct sound in a negative way. Harman stresses the importance of matching (wide) dispersion through the crossover region, but that assumes that the reflections are not harmful. Which they often can be.
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