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PSA MTM-210C,T vs Ascend Sierra Horizon, Tower

I am considering the two subject line center + tower combos. Not sure if I'd spend the extra for the RAAL tweeters with the ascend option or not. The RAALs would definitely blow past my budget.

Without the RAAL's, these two sets are nearly the same price.

Can anyone who has heard both in the same room give me a summary/comparison of the sound characteristics?

I have read glowing review after review of both options, and I probably wouldn't be disappointed with either compared to these higher end options, but would like to know how they compare.

I have a ~4000 sq ft basement tv/bar room where this new system (home theater) will reside. All carpet floor except for tile at the far back of the room where the bar is. Only one small window in this area, and there's a ~6ft opening to a hallway in the front right corner of the room.

Speaker cabinet finish does not weigh very heavily with my decision, purely sound. I listen to maybe 50/50 music /movies&TV. My existing system (in the main floor living room) is a pair of klipsch synergy towers, elemental designs a2-300 sub, and yamaha rx-v775. I am planning on buying a PSA v1500 or v1800 with the new LCR set. Not sure what receiver I'll be running either, perhaps a Denon x3300 or whatever comes along at a good price. Or maybe even move the rx-v775 to the basement and pick a cheaper receiver for the living room. Or I've been told Anthem has great receivers if I want to spend more than the x3300.

Thanks everyone in advance. Also, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR options I should consider?

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Also, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR options I should consider?
What is the display? PJ with an AT screen perhaps? Can you fit big LCR's?

These can be had for $1100 each shipped, no tax to most states if you want to go big:

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...n#.V8eD5WVh3q0
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What is the display? PJ with an AT screen perhaps? Can you fit big LCR's?

These can be had for $1100 each shipped, no tax to most states if you want to go big:

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...n#.V8eD5WVh3q0
Display will hopefully be a 65" B6 OLED if I can get in on the $2999 microcenter deal (if they have stock when I happen to be near a microcenter).

Thanks for the suggestion, but those will be too wide. And no projector in the plans, just a 65"+ display).
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Of the speakers you are looking at, the PSA has a compression driver/wave guide and is a more efficient speaker; using it over the other will be like almost tripling your available amp power. They are both well regarded speakers.
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Display will hopefully be a 65" B6 OLED if I can get in on the $2999 microcenter deal (if they have stock when I happen to be near a microcenter).

Thanks for the suggestion, but those will be too wide.
I have an e6, that OLED is an awesome display. Good choice.
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I have an e6, that OLED is an awesome display. Good choice.
Can't wait to bring it home in the (hopefully) not too distant future. I wish I could still buy a plasma but that's a discussion for another thread. I posted this in the Audio forum because right now I'm looking for ear candy > eye candy. Though both are important, of course.
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Can't wait to bring it home in the (hopefully) not too distant future. I wish I could still buy a plasma but that's a discussion for another thread. I posted this in the Audio forum because right now I'm looking for ear candy > eye candy. Though both are important, of course.
Hehe, I don't want to derail your thread, but I own a flagship panny plasma, and once you see some crazy-awesome Dolby Vision content on the OLED you will never again yearn for a plasma.

To bring the thread back on topic, for HT, if you are unsure which speaker to buy and can't decide, I would personally go with the more efficient speaker for better dynamics and more amp headroom as a tie breaker, especially when paired with the subs you are looking at.

Good luck with your decision!
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Of the speakers you are looking at, the PSA has a compression driver/wave guide and is a more efficient speaker; using it over the other will be like almost tripling your available amp power. They are both well regarded speakers.
Does that translate to PSA being the winner only if I want to listen louder? Or do they shine at all volume levels?

I don't necessarily need to listen louder. I only occasionally "crank it up". Usually only when I am the only one home. Even with movies we don't typically go overboard on volume. I'm looking for great sound at all volumes, ideally.

I have some hearing damage due to concerts over my lifetime and drumline for 8 years and don't want to do much more damage even though it will be tempting with a nice new audio system.
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Hehe, I don't want to derail your thread, but I own a flagship panny plasma, and once you see some crazy-awesome Dolby Vision content on the OLED you will never again yearn for a plasma.

To bring the thread back on topic, for HT, if you are unsure which speaker to buy and can't decide, I would personally go with the more efficient speaker for better dynamics and more amp headroom as a tie breaker, especially when paired with the subs you are looking at.

Good luck with your decision!
Good to know about the OLED. I think my main reason for wanting plasma now is it would offer a lower price point with PQ and motion I know I like.

It was nice when you could buy a "dumb" plasma with minimal extra smart features for a reasonable price. I run a HTPC into my tv's so don't need anything special from the TV, just great PQ.
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Does that translate to PSA being the winner only if I want to listen louder? Or do they shine at all volume levels?
The louder you listen the bigger the advantage for the compression driver, IMO. I generally prefer efficient speakers with good compression drivers with a well designed wave guide for HT at all listening levels, however. That said, I am 100% sure you will hear from people on here who have a different preference. Its tough to tell what you will prefer, however, and you are the one who counts.
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The louder you listen the bigger the advantage for the compression driver, IMO. I generally prefer efficient speakers with good compression drivers with a well designed wave guide for HT at all listening levels, however. That said, I am 100% sure you will hear from people on here who have a different preference. Its tough to tell what you will prefer, however, and you are the one who counts.
Our basement is almost finished so once I know when the carpet will be installed I'll order the sub and some MTM110's to give them a listen and make sure I'm OK with the compression driver.
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Our basement is almost finished so once I know when the carpet will be installed I'll order the sub and some MTM110's to give them a listen and make sure I'm OK with the compression driver.
I think that's a good plan. You will know in a hurry if its your cup of tea.
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The louder you listen the bigger the advantage for the compression driver, IMO. I generally prefer efficient speakers with good compression drivers with a well designed wave guide for HT at all listening levels, however. That said, I am 100% sure you will hear from people on here who have a different preference. Its tough to tell what you will prefer, however, and you are the one who counts.
Our basement is almost finished so once I know when the carpet will be installed I'll order the sub and some MTM110's to give them a listen and make sure I'm OK with the compression driver.
Not exactly apples to apples but Ascend offers free shipping on some speakers you might want to experiment with. I agree though HE speakers will have the upper hand in terms of limits and power handling of the two...hence why level matching will be key...if you do travel that route.

I know of a couple of people who heard both one returned the ascends the other opted for them.. YMMV.

Try shooting GunmetalR56 he kept the Ascends and heard the 210s during his journey but he also owns PSA subs...a few of us own PSA subs and Ascend speakers.... well, I no longer own a PSA sub but I do think highly of them... and happyily recommend them

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I am considering the two subject line center + tower combos. Not sure if I'd spend the extra for the RAAL tweeters with the ascend option or not. The RAALs would definitely blow past my budget.

Without the RAAL's, these two sets are nearly the same price.

Can anyone who has heard both in the same room give me a summary/comparison of the sound characteristics?

I have read glowing review after review of both options, and I probably wouldn't be disappointed with either compared to these higher end options, but would like to know how they compare.

I have a ~4000 sq ft basement tv/bar room where this new system (home theater) will reside. All carpet floor except for tile at the far back of the room where the bar is. Only one small window in this area, and there's a ~6ft opening to a hallway in the front right corner of the room.

Speaker cabinet finish does not weigh very heavily with my decision, purely sound. I listen to maybe 50/50 music /movies&TV. My existing system (in the main floor living room) is a pair of klipsch synergy towers, elemental designs a2-300 sub, and yamaha rx-v775. I am planning on buying a PSA v1500 or v1800 with the new LCR set. Not sure what receiver I'll be running either, perhaps a Denon x3300 or whatever comes along at a good price. Or maybe even move the rx-v775 to the basement and pick a cheaper receiver for the living room. Or I've been told Anthem has great receivers if I want to spend more than the x3300.

Thanks everyone in advance. Also, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR options I should consider?
Here's a thread I started once posting a similar question. Might be worth a quick look given your dilemma. Didn't get too much traction, but a couple well known speaker designers did chime in

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...r-psa-etc.html
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I have not heard the Ascends but I can tell you the 210T's are a bargain at their price point. I would Audition a pair of 110's to see if you like the sound signature and go from there. Take note it has been mentioned by a few that the 210T are a significant step up from the 110.
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Bass - with all due respect. I have the Ascends and feel they are a significant bargain at their price point. I would audition a pair of Ascends and see if you like the sound signature and go from there

Threads like this are similar to beating ones head against the wall IMO.

We all like what we own, and I have never had the opportunity to hear the PSA speakers (own a sub). The OP needs to either pick one or order both, try them in their HT/room using their equipment, most importantly using their ears - not ours. Both of these are very good speakers based on what you can read about them on this forum. There are members that didn't like one or the other for whatever reason too. Short of a defective speaker or poor design, past a certain price point it really comes down to personal preference or the WAF. Some forum members are all about high efficiency speakers, others like me lean more towards the traditional designs (differentiating based on efficiency, not quality, RAAL tweeters, concentric designs, etc).

If I was the OP I would reach out to Dave and Tom, ask them questions, both are very knowledgeable, reputable (key word these days as you know) and great guys IMO. Good luck, either way I think you'll enjoy what you hear and the good news is both company's products seem to hold their values very well should you ever want to upgrade or try something else.
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Some forum members are all about high efficiency speakers, others like me lean more towards the traditional designs.
I think this about sums it up. The OP needs to figure out what camp he's in or that he's fine in either camp, then the choices become easier.
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I haven't heard the Ascends but I am sure they are very good speakers. They have a rear port so placing them close to a wall may be an issue. The PSAs are sealed.

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I think you are trying to compare steak to sushi here (which, I like both ). It's probably very much going to lean toward user preference. I had the same problem and I debated going with PSA or Ascend Sierra series to start my upgrade. Ended up ordering the Horizon with RAAL.

That being said, you should estimate your average listening volume and how far your seating will be from the speakers. For me, it turned out that the increased efficiency and power handling of the PSA's would probably not make a difference given those usage factors.
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With a 65" screen the viewing/listening distance should not be more than 9' or so, so no real need for HE speakers.

The best thing to do would be to demo a pair of Sierra bookshelf models and the pair of MT110 and determine which you like best. It's the only way to know for sure.
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Personally I would like to try the 210s someday. Tom??

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With a 65" screen the viewing/listening distance should not be more than 9' or so, so no real need for HE speakers.
There's no kill like overkill.
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Here's a thread I started once posting a similar question. Might be worth a quick look given your dilemma. Didn't get too much traction, but a couple well known speaker designers did chime in

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...r-psa-etc.html
Awesome, thanks for the link. I have some more reading to do.
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I think you are trying to compare steak to sushi here (which, I like both ). It's probably very much going to lean toward user preference. I had the same problem and I debated going with PSA or Ascend Sierra series to start my upgrade. Ended up ordering the Horizon with RAAL.

That being said, you should estimate your average listening volume and how far your seating will be from the speakers. For me, it turned out that the increased efficiency and power handling of the PSA's would probably not make a difference given those usage factors.
Good analogy. I like both as well. Good to know I can't go wrong.

So with that said, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR sets I should consider?
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Good analogy. I like both as well. Good to know I can't go wrong.

So with that said, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR sets I should consider?
You asking me? I don't know. I was fixated on those two since I own a PSA sub and some Ascend speakers already

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Good analogy. I like both as well. Good to know I can't go wrong.

So with that said, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR sets I should consider?
I think some typical contenders in the roughly 1k/speaker range are the Salk Songtowers, SVS Ultra Tower, JTR 228, Aperion Verus Grand, and Selah Audio in addition to the ones allready on your list.

There are probably a bunch more non-ID companies as well

Lots of options at 3k, and no way to know for sure what you like other than listening.
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Good analogy. I like both as well. Good to know I can't go wrong.

So with that said, are there any other ~$3,000 LCR sets I should consider?
Aperion Grand Versus or the Grand Versus II. Beautiful speakers with a 60 day trial period shipping included.

Monitor Audio. Crutchfield sells them so 60 day trial period, shipping to you included, discounted return shipping.

Sonus Faber- crutchfield sells them too.

Focal- Music Direct has the best prices on Focal. Not sure on their shipping and return policy.

NHT- direct, 30 days, shipping included

Philharmonic audio. Contact the owner Dennis Murphy about a center to go with his bookshelf or towers.
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Aperion Grand Versus or the Grand Versus II. Beautiful speakers with a 60 day trial period shipping included.

Monitor Audio. Crutchfield sells them so 60 day trial period, shipping to you included, discounted return shipping.

Sonus Faber- crutchfield sells them too.

Focal- Music Direct has the best prices on Focal. Not sure on their shipping and return policy.

NHT- direct, 30 days, shipping included

Philharmonic audio. Contact the owner Dennis Murphy about a center to go with his bookshelf or towers.
Thank you for the suggestions. So many options.
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Bass - with all due respect. I have the Ascends and feel they are a significant bargain at their price point. I would audition a pair of Ascends and see if you like the sound signature and go from there

Threads like this are similar to beating ones head against the wall IMO.

We all like what we own, and I have never had the opportunity to hear the PSA speakers (own a sub). The OP needs to either pick one or order both, try them in their HT/room using their equipment, most importantly using their ears - not ours. Both of these are very good speakers based on what you can read about them on this forum. There are members that didn't like one or the other for whatever reason too. Short of a defective speaker or poor design, past a certain price point it really comes down to personal preference or the WAF. Some forum members are all about high efficiency speakers, others like me lean more towards the traditional designs (differentiating based on efficiency, not quality, RAAL tweeters, concentric designs, etc).

If I was the OP I would reach out to Dave and Tom, ask them questions, both are very knowledgeable, reputable (key word these days as you know) and great guys IMO. Good luck, either way I think you'll enjoy what you hear and the good news is both company's products seem to hold their values very well should you ever want to upgrade or try something else.
I was not implying the Ascends were not a bargain, I am sure they are.

Perhaps, I might try a pair someday for kicks.

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I was not implying the Ascends were not a bargain, I am sure they are.

Perhaps, I might try a pair someday for kicks.

Nice to see you edited that post....99%...really.

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