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Interning for Music MGMT company, tasked to pick out speakers for new office

I'm interning for a music management firm right now and was tasked this morning to find a speaker system for the demo listening room they have set up. Been researching for the past 5 hours and have started to get a grasp on this stuff, but could definitely use some help. Y'all seemed like the experts so I figured I'd join and ask your opinions!

Requirements they gave me:
They told me they have a budget between $700-$1000 for the receiver plus speakers, if they need to add a subwoofer later they will.
The room is fairly small, probably about 10X12. It has a rug, 2 chairs and a couch in the center of the room that they will be circling around to listen to demos.
No surround sound as there is only one spot at the front of the room to place speakers+ sub+ receiver.
Receiver must be able to hook up to record player that they will purchase in the future.
They would like the speakers on the more detailed and crisp side to warm and round.

For Speakers I had been looking at the KEF Q100's and the ELAC B6's, but would love some other suggestions.
Receivers and subs I'm completely lost.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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$1000 for a demo room in a business focused on managing musicians screams cheap. Almost as bad as a test kitchen using an easy bake oven.

In all seriousness, that is pretty cheap for a professional organization with a focus on music. Are they firm on the budget??

I am no audiophile, so I've never researched a two channel set up...but wouldn't it be more appropriate for two full range speakers and nix the sub from the budget? I'm sure someone who is into music (vs replicating the movie audio experience at home will chime in).

I found this thread asking about two channel systems on a budget

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...el-system.html

We have a forum dedicated to two channel audio, I would research there. Go to advance search, use a term like budget, title search only and highlight speaker forum and do a separate search in two channel forum. I'd also, use 1000 or thousand as a search term.

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Demos as in submissions from artists looking to get signed? What genre of music? Seriously if it's home studio demos of top 40- type material you'd be better off listening through some Beats cans, or someone's car stereo. Or a phone with a Bluetooth speaker.

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If they want detailed and crisp I'd go with an AMT:

http://emotiva.com/products/speakers/airmotiv-b1

https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/lou...dspeakers/A1.4

Note this is per speaker:
https://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-L...tin+logan+lx16


The budget doesn't leave a lot of room for a nice ID sub or I'd recommend a Rythmik L12:
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/L12.html

So in lieu of that maybe an RSL speedwoofer (never heard it but have heard good things from others):
https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-speedwoofer-10s/


Most budget receivers don't have a phono input unfortunately.
I use this is a phono pre-amp for the turntable and it works well:
https://www.amazon.com/TC-750LC-BLAC...s=phono+preamp

Honestly not sure what to recommend for a receiver so I'll let someone else give it a shot.
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Oh I agree $1000 is a little less than what I'd like to be working with, but that's what they gave me so I'm trying to make the most of it. It'll be mainly for demoing new albums for artists we already have, not really for submitted material. They'll have already listened to it in the studio, so I think this is mainly just to get some other sets of ears at the office to listen to it. I'm really opened to any type of speakers, those were just kind of what I initially found, but I'll definitely check out the two channel forum. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Sweet! Thanks for the suggestions!
How much do receivers with phone inputs typically run?
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Sweet! Thanks for the suggestions!
How much do receivers with phone inputs typically run?
This:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

and these:
http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html

$350 total give or take. It'll sound great in your bed, er, listening room, and leave plenty left over for a turntable and even a sub, though in that small a room you might not want nor need one.

Nashville, huh? Tough town to break in to. Good luck!
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I think your going to get the best bang for your buck with the ELAC's. I agree with Dargent0628 that you should check out accessories4less. You may also want to consider the Yamaha R-S700 2-Ch x 100w sold there.
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I say the newly redesigned Chane A1.4 ( bookshelves and stands) bundle with a flat leaf tweeter for crisp highs . $359 plus shipping.

https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/ind...undle_id=20654

This was for a tower speaker 2 channel listening shootout from a few years ago but has several makes of speakers being evaluated for a 2 channel setup. The older Chane A5's got the nod but there were a lot of good speakers in the mix. Worth a read.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...t-results.html
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I'd also consider Emp-tek speakers. Here's a great Amazon linked review on both the Emp towers and bookshelves sound signature from fellow AVS'er dsrussell who owns both .

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/...=UTF8&cursor=1

B stock Emp-tek R55Ti towers $564 shipped:

http://emptek.com/bs3319104963RB.php

Emp-tek R5Bi bookshelves $225 shipped:

http://emptek.com/r5bi.php

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For Speakers I had been looking at the KEF Q100's and the ELAC B6's, but would love some other suggestions.
IMO, KEF Q series is a better class of speaker than ELAC Debut series. If you want to compare ELACs to KEF Q, you should be researching the ELAC Uni series.

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Sweet! Thanks for the suggestions!
How much do receivers with phone inputs typically run?
Probably a lot more than you would want to spend. Better to have them get a phono preamp when they buy the turntable.

Finally, what kind of music do you manage? Demoing some music genres effectively will really require a subwoofer.
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My recommendation is similar to Madmax67's post 9, but I would recommend the bigger bookshelf speakers.


SPEAKERS....
Chane A2.4, $259/speaker + shipping + stands (if needed)...
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/lou...e-loudspeakers


RECEIVER...
Onkyo HT-R993, $380 from Accessories4less. I am recommending this AVR because it has phono input and auto EQ calibration (most stereo receivers do not have EQ calibration)...
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
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The Klipsch R-15PM Powered Monitors may suit your needs: http://www.klipsch.ca/products/r-15pm-powered-monitors

FWIR, they are $500/pr, and have all the connectivity you need. Add a subwoofer in the $500-$600 range (SVS, HSU, Rhythmic) and you're as good as gold...
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A combo option closer to the top of your budget:

These Def Tech speakers retail for $900/pair and get very good reviews. Many reviews indicate that the bass performance is so good that a sub is not necessary for most music in smaller rooms. The linked ebay seller stocks refurbs from Def Tech. I have purchased from them in the past and recently – very good seller. These were on sale for $200 each recently from this seller. The seller may honor that price if you ask.

I actually have a pair en route to my house today from this seller. I will report back after I break them in a bit and give them a listen. I’ve owned other Def Tech models in the past and have always been very pleased with their price to performance ratio.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Definitive-T...1%26rkt%3D1%26

This is a stereo receiver with digital inputs, analog inputs, and a phono input – so versatile connectivity.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
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Wow, thanks a lot for the suggestions! This is immensely helpful!
We represent mainly acoustic virtuosos and rock acts. The rock acts fall more into funk blues camps think SRV/ red hot chili peppers, the acoustic stuff is a lot of finger picking/ steel string jazz think Tommy Emmanuel or acoustic Al di Meola. If I should add anything/ eliminate anything based on that please let me know.
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For crisp and detailed without harshness the Folded Motion tweeter from Martin Logan can be had in your price range and is well worthy of consideration.

The fact that they are gorgeous looking and compact with more than enough punch for the space you are considering is a plus.

80 degree by 80 degree horizontal/vertical dispersion.

The LX16s can be had for under $500/pair and reproduced PERFECTLY the exact sound I heard at two acoustic shows in the past few years...one by Ben Folds and one by Bell X1.

Other speakers I compared them to slightly colored the vocals while the LX16s reproduced them to in "just as I heard them" perfection.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_839MLX1...&awmt=b&awnw=g

The LX16s are virtually identical the Motion 15s that replaced them at $800/pair.

http://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf...ws/motion-lx16
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While those Def Tech speakers are a good deal there is no factory warranty with them. Only a 90 day defect free exchange policy from the seller. Just FYI😉:

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$1000 for a demo room in a business focused on managing musicians screams cheap. Almost as bad as a test kitchen using an easy bake oven.
In all seriousness, that is pretty cheap for a professional organization with a focus on music. Are they firm on the budget??
Just the doors for Abbey Road's piano-room costs about $10,000, the piano is like $100,000 LOL!

Their Studio1 audio-room has like $1 million dollars worth of audio gear in it. (They have like 5 Studio rooms in this building, not just 1...)
Artists like: Adele, Beatles, Ellie Goulding, Peter Gabriel, Amy Winehouse, Annie Lennox etc... have sang in their rooms and made CD's there.
https://insideabbeyroad.withgoogle.c...cess/studio-1/



Don't ask what their whole building costs...

Skywalker Sound has a comparable system/building, with their own full-scale movie theater built for making/tuning movies that we all watch (Like Avatar, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, MadMax etc)
I'd bet the bulb in their projector costs $10,000




Anybody that knows anything about room acoustics knows that the untreated walls are gonna kill the beautiful sounds coming out of any speaker.
Especially if it is hardwood, tile or cement floors, and brick walls. Hard surfaces = bad. (Glass is bad enough as-is.)

Unless you have budget for treating the walls, you'd be better off with Sennheiser headphones...
Either the 700: https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...dp/B0070U8KSM/
800: https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-80.../dp/B001OTZ8DA
or 800 S: https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...dp/B00PXLX2TC/

Headphones avoid room issues by focusing the audio directly into the ear. You just need to stop using Bose and Beats headphones to have good sound quality come out of them.

Unless it MUST be heard by multiple people at the same time, only then would speakers make sense... in an acoustically-treated room.

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a music management firm
I never thought for a second that my personal music system... would be better than a business who actually manages music for a living, considering I don't make any money doing this nor it is my living profession...

(HD800 headphones sitting on my center channel BTW...)


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My headphone's frequency response:
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I never thought for a second that my personal music system... would be better than a business who actually manages music for a living, considering I don't make any money doing this nor it is my living profession...

I'm skeptical. This is either a shoestring start-up operating out of someone's living room, or nashvilleIntern is a guy looking to set up a nice little system in his bedroom. None of it adds up. A music management company that doesn't already have a kick-ass listening room? A miniscule budget? No knowledge whatsoever regarding equipment? I don't buy it.
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Wow, thanks a lot for the suggestions! This is immensely helpful!
We represent mainly acoustic virtuosos and rock acts. The rock acts fall more into funk blues camps think SRV/ red hot chili peppers, the acoustic stuff is a lot of finger picking/ steel string jazz think Tommy Emmanuel or acoustic Al di Meola. If I should add anything/ eliminate anything based on that please let me know.
Then tower speakers without a sub will do the job, whereas with some hip hop and much EDM, you'd want a subwoofer even with towers.


These RBH towers previously mentioned really would be a good deal: http://emptek.com/bs3319104963RB.php
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While those Def Tech speakers are a good deal there is no factory warranty with them. Only a 90 day defect free exchange policy from the seller. Just FYI😉:

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True, but both bajawaverunner and Def Tech have excellent customer service and will take care of you, in my experience. I had a tweeter problem with a pair of Def Tech towers from bajawaverunner, and both he and Def Tech were willing to send a free replacement.
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True, but both bajawaverunner and Def Tech have excellent customer service and will take care of you, in my experience. I had a tweeter problem with a pair of Def Tech towers from bajawaverunner, and both he and Def Tech were willing to send a free replacement.
Thanks for sharing that information @adam2434 and I wasn't trying to disparage the seller or their customer service in any way. I like knowing about reputable sellers for audio on Ebay from my fellow AVS'ers . Just pointing out a detail to an intern that might be getting tested on these things for after the purchase. In other words how well did they do their research on the final purchase etc... That's the only reason I even mentioned it. I like Def Tech speakers and I even bookmarked your link.😉

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I was given a large lunch budget for a company once and unbeknownst to me it was really just a test of my negotiating skills and I was offered a sales position afterwards because I squeezed so much out of that budget so I'm probably projecting a bit here as well.😏

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Thanks for sharing that information @adam2434 and I wasn't trying to disparage the seller or their customer service in any way. I like knowing about reputable sellers for audio on Ebay from my fellow AVS'ers . Just pointing out a detail to an intern that might be getting tested on these things for after the purchase. In other words how well did they do their research on the final purchase etc... That's the only reason I even mentioned it. I like Def Tech speakers and I even bookmarked your link.😉

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I was given a large lunch budget for a company once and unbeknownst to me it was really just a test of my negotiating skills and I was offered a sales position afterwards because I squeezed so much out of that budget so I'm probably projecting a bit here as well.😏
Totally understand your good intentions and no offense taken. Buying refurbs is not for all people and all situations, for sure. However, it can provide a big value proposition - kind of like buying at "used" prices with less risk.
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Totally understand your good intentions and no offense taken. Buying refurbs is not for all people and all situations, for sure. However, it can provide a big value proposition - kind of like buying at "used" prices with less risk.
Totally agree. I have a pair of refurbished speakers I bought through AC4less last year and a pair of b stock speakers bought through anther company a few months ago so we are on the same page. I like good deals on speakers for sure.👍

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The Klipsch R-15PM Powered Monitors may suit your needs: http://www.klipsch.ca/products/r-15pm-powered-monitors

FWIR, they are $500/pr, and have all the connectivity you need. Add a subwoofer in the $500-$600 range (SVS, HSU, Rhythmic) and you're as good as gold...
Spot on with this.

Powered monitors are the way to go. Also look at the Audioengine HD6, you'll need a separate phono stage

http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Powe...wered-Speakers
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I'm interning for a music management firm right now and was tasked this morning to find a speaker system for the demo listening room they have set up. Been researching for the past 5 hours and have started to get a grasp on this stuff, but could definitely use some help. Y'all seemed like the experts so I figured I'd join and ask your opinions!

Requirements they gave me:
They told me they have a budget between $700-$1000 for the receiver plus speakers, if they need to add a subwoofer later they will.
The room is fairly small, probably about 10X12. It has a rug, 2 chairs and a couch in the center of the room that they will be circling around to listen to demos.
No surround sound as there is only one spot at the front of the room to place speakers+ sub+ receiver.
Receiver must be able to hook up to record player that they will purchase in the future.
They would like the speakers on the more detailed and crisp side to warm and round.

For Speakers I had been looking at the KEF Q100's and the ELAC B6's, but would love some other suggestions.
Receivers and subs I'm completely lost.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Receivers


Speakers

  • For stands find something solid and sturdy under $100.00

(future) Subwoofer


Good luck!
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Here are some professional powered studio near field monitors.

http://www.proaudiostar.com/dynaudio...FQaDfgodKEQLgQ

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FQyOaQodxhYKgg


If you need background on who they are
http://www.dynaudio.com/dynaudio-aca.../december/bbc/
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JBL LSR Series studio monitors. E.g.:

https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professio.../dp/B00E8CEW7I
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Kef Q100 $299/pr
https://www.kefdirect.com/speakers/h...aker-pair.html
Yamaha R-S500 $240
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
Bic F-12 sub $213. Since it's such a small room and you don't need extention below 20hz.
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F...f-12+subwoofer
Speaker stands $79
https://www.amazon.com/Sanus-NF24B-N...speaker+stands
Gand total $831

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