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Any Def Tech experts out there?

I am looking to build out a new home theater in my basement, and am leaning towards Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000 center and fronts, with a super cube 2000. Any insight? Also any prefences to a multizone reciever, 2 is minimum zone requirements. Thank you!
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There are many other options. Def tech pro monitor speakers are not bad but, the small drivers have limitations and the sub isn't that great. If you can provide some information, we may be able to recommend something better.


1) Your budget.
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern.
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon.
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice).
5) Any placement restrictions.
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider).
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.)

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There are many other options. Def tech pro monitor speakers are not bad but, the small drivers have limitations and the sub isn't that great. If you can provide some information, we may be able to recommend something better.


1) Your budget.
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern.
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon.
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice).
5) Any placement restrictions.
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider).
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.)
1) Your budget. $1000-$1500
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern. TV and Movies
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon. None, this is for new home theater setup in the basement
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice). 700 sqft
5) Any placement restrictions. Not applicable
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns. Was going to do two fronts with center and in ceiling in rear
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider). considering the def techs as noted, as i have pro monitor 1000 center from an older setup
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.) I prefer treble over bass.
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1) Your budget. $1000-$1500
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern. TV and Movies
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon. None, this is for new home theater setup in the basement
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice). 700 sqft
5) Any placement restrictions. Not applicable
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns. Was going to do two fronts with center and in ceiling in rear
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider). considering the def techs as noted, as i have pro monitor 1000 center from an older setup
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.) I prefer treble over bass.
Worthy to note i need to pick a receiver as well, in need of 2 zones.
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I am looking to build out a new home theater in my basement, and am leaning towards Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000 center and fronts, with a super cube 2000. Any insight? Also any prefences to a multizone reciever, 2 is minimum zone requirements. Thank you!
I use the ProMonitor 1000 series and enjoy them. I auditioned them at Magnolia theater (which I recommend doing, if you haven't heard them yet). I sit 13' away from the front sound stage and do wish I had gotten the ProCenter 2000 instead. But overall, am happy with the projection of the L/C/R. Definitely go with a "better" sub. I use an SVS which is great for me. Others will recommend looking at companies like Rhythmik Audio, Hsu, RSL, Paradigm, etc. Definitely check those out as well. Getting a sub from a true subwoofer company makes a big difference.

As for receiver, most that you will find have at least 2 zones. When you start getting up in to the 3 and 4 zones receivers, you - obviously - start adding cost. But you may find that you lose some options. For example (can't remember the brand), there was a 9.2 channel receiver, but to make it a powered 3rd zone, you had to use two of the surround inputs - effectively making it a 7.2 channel receiver. Probably not a big deal, especially if you only care about a 5.1/2 or 7.1/2 setup. But something to think about.

I use Onkyo and always have. I really like them. For my next big theater room, I may branch out and look at someone like Denon or Marantz.

But to give you an idea; Pioneer Elite SC-89, Yamaha Aventage RX-A2060, Marantz SR7010 all offer at least 3 zones.

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I am looking to build out a new home theater in my basement, and am leaning towards Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000 center and fronts, with a super cube 2000. Any insight? Also any prefences to a multizone reciever, 2 is minimum zone requirements. Thank you!
I can't speak of the bookshelves, but I currently am using the pro center 1000.

Eh.... decent with dialogue, treble too high, not enough bass. I wouldn't purposely choose it unless you have space constraints. Only reason I am using it is because I have like no space at all for a center and I got it really cheap. If you go with def techs, at least look at the bigger version of that model center.
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1) Your budget. $1000-$1500
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern. TV and Movies
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon. None, this is for new home theater setup in the basement
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice). 700 sqft
5) Any placement restrictions. Not applicable
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns. Was going to do two fronts with center and in ceiling in rear
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider). considering the def techs as noted, as i have pro monitor 1000 center from an older setup
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.) I prefer treble over bass.
A couple of additional questions for you:
- Did you pick the PM1000's for their size or their cost?
- Would bookshelves or on-walls for rears be out of the question?
-Do you want new or is referb or used OK (refebed or used DefTech's will give you much more bang for your buck)

And yes, unless you get a great deal on a DefTech sub, or absolutely need something as small as the SC2000, there will be better options.

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I like Denon and DefTech. Being in Chicago have seen a lot of good deals on used Def Tech gear. May want to consider the Definitive Technology CS-8040HD on sale at New Egg if you like the look. Personally, I'm a big fan of the CLR2002. I have that in my basement. I also use their indoor/outdoor speaker in my basement as surrounds. I really liked their sound. Electronics Expo has those open box for a pretty good price.
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A couple of additional questions for you:

- Did you pick the PM1000's for their size or their cost?

- Would bookshelves or on-walls for rears be out of the question?

-Do you want new or is referb or used OK (refebed or used DefTech's will give you much more bang for your buck)



And yes, unless you get a great deal on a DefTech sub, or absolutely need something as small as the SC2000, there will be better options.


I have def tech 1000 center which I liked so i assume I would like the 1000 bookshelf as well.

As for rear ceiling is a must.

I would be okay used

I am now looking for a better sub. Perhaps svs?


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I have def tech 1000 center which I liked so i assume I would like the 1000 bookshelf as well.

As for rear ceiling is a must.

I would be okay used

I am now looking for a better sub. Perhaps svs?


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Good to know.
First, here's the deal with the 1000's -vs- the PC1000, I don't know why DefTech choose to do this, but their Center numbering system is off if you want exact matches, the actual match to the PC1000 is the PM800's.
But...
As far as the PM1000's go, they are a good speaker, 5.25" mid drivers and "much" fuller than you would think for their size, and if you were working with size constraints I'd say you couldn't do better within the DefTech brand.
But if you can go physically larger and don't have to buy new, then there are some better alternatives.

So, for your space I'd look at an SVS SB -or- PB 1000 to start (they are the same price, but considerably different sized cabinets) you could use either one in your space, if you can fit the PB, go for it.
So that leaves $1000 left of your max budget.
The DefTech referb reseller on e-bay (bajawaverunner) still has SM65's for $216 ea. Grab them up while you can. (2 or even 3 for an exact matching center, honestly, even with 2 they will put your 1000 Center to shame, just so you know)
Then get (from the same place) 2 of the Di 6.5R ($165 ea) or Di 5.5R ($150 ea) for your surrounds.
This would be an extremely good sounding DefTech system, not to mention if you buy all 5 your looking at $950 or $980 for a setup that would MSRP close to $1900.
(you could save by doing SM55's or SM45's but you couldn't use a 3rd as a center unless they could stand vertically, the SM65 will work in either orientation)

Or if you like the old school square DefTech look, check e-bay for some used SM350's or SM450's for your Fronts.

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Good to know.

First, here's the deal with the 1000's -vs- the PC1000, I don't know why DefTech choose to do this, but their Center numbering system is off if you want exact matches, the actual match to the PC1000 is the PM800's.

But...

As far as the PM1000's go, they are a good speaker, 5.25" mid drivers and "much" fuller than you would think for their size, and if you were working with size constraints I'd say you couldn't do better within the DefTech brand.

But if you can go physically larger and don't have to buy new, then there are some better alternatives.



So, for your space I'd look at an SVS SB -or- PB 1000 to start (they are the same price, but considerably different sized cabinets) you could use either one in your space, if you can fit the PB, go for it.

So that leaves $1000 left of your max budget.

The DefTech referb reseller on e-bay (bajawaverunner) still has SM65's for $216 ea. Grab them up while you can. (2 or even 3 for an exact matching center, honestly, even with 2 they will put your 1000 Center to shame, just so you know)

Then get (from the same place) 2 of the Di 6.5R ($165 ea) or Di 5.5R ($150 ea) for your surrounds.

This would be an extremely good sounding DefTech system, not to mention if you buy all 5 your looking at $950 or $980 for a setup that would MSRP close to $1900.

(you could save by doing SM55's or SM45's but you couldn't use a 3rd as a center unless they could stand vertically, the SM65 will work in either orientation)



Or if you like the old school square DefTech look, check e-bay for some used SM350's or SM450's for your Fronts.


Wow thanks for the great write. I guess I will be shopping this am :-)


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I just went through the same thing. Look at my post of "Best towers under $1000? Under $500?". I was using the PM800s as front speakers with a PC1000. I was using four PM600s as my sides and rear surrounds. I shopped and researched several options and went to listen to several speakers. I ended up buying the Studio Monitor 45's over the SM55's and the PM1000's. They just sounded better to me. And I caught them on sale at $159 each. They might still be that same price at Best Buy if you want to check. I looked at several different speaker stands also to sit them on and found some pretty cool ones.. I'll attach pictures. I promise you won't regret getting the studio monitor speakers over the promonitors. As far as subs, there are way better subs out there for the same price or less. I had the ProSub 600 then the 800 then two 800's and finally settled on the Martin Logan Dynamo 500. At that time, six months ago, I did not know about SVS and some of the others. I just purchased an SVS PB-2000 and I'm still trying it out. By the way, I'm still using the PC1000 and it holds up just fine and sounds just fine with the new SM 45s along with PM800 sides and PM800 rears (7.1).. it sounds pretty damn good and fills up my 3300 cubic feet and you can hear it throughout my 1700 sq ft house!
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So, do the SM 45-55 have wall mounts? I would like to have them mounted next to TV too.
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So, do the SM 45-55 have wall mounts? I would like to have them mounted next to TV too.
Not sure.. probably not. They look really good on stands.. Look at above pics!
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IMHO, better than the Def tech 1000
-Philharmonics affordable AA speakers (210/pr plus shipping)...get three across the front and find some cheap surrounds
-EMP e5Bti 225/pr...again, get three across the front
As mentioned above, get a subwoofer from a company that is know for making great subs- SVS, HSU, PSA, Rythmiks, Outlaw, etc and not one know for great speakers. Polk, Def Tech, Bic, Klipsch, Martin Logan...all make good speaker and sell mediocre (IMHO) subs. If you have to go cheap on the sub, look at Dayton Audio. you won't get a "HT" quality sub for much under 500, fyi...
Accessories for less can get you a decent quality refurbsihed, AV rec. With you budget, I dont' know if a 2 zone receiver is going to be possible. Put the majority your money in speakers/subs, if possible.

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I can't speak of the bookshelves, but I currently am using the pro center 1000.

Eh.... decent with dialogue, treble too high, not enough bass. I wouldn't purposely choose it unless you have space constraints. Only reason I am using it is because I have like no space at all for a center and I got it really cheap. If you go with def techs, at least look at the bigger version of that model center.

I have the PC1000 as well and have no complaints. It matches up with my SM45's quite well actually. Also, you shouldn't have any bass coming through the center channel. If you have too much treble you can adjust it the AVR manually.. or should be able to. I guess it depends what you like and what you're going for.
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So, do the SM 45-55 have wall mounts? I would like to have them mounted next to TV too.
No they don't. The SM45 are rear ported. The SM55 has a bass radiator. You don't want these speakers close to the walls so no wall mounts. The Studio Monitor series is best on stands like Falconsfan71 has his SM 45's. If you want to wall mount then the Pro Cinema series Pro monitor 1000 or Mytho's series would be the way to go with Def Tech.

I run Mytho's 2 on wall with Pro center 1000 center and Di 5.5r in-ceilings for surrounds with a RSL speedwoofer 10s subwoofer corner located. You could do the same but use Pro Monitor 1000's for your fronts wall mounted or next to your TV. I have tested many different speakers and subwoofers in this room over the last 4 to 5 years. I have settled on this set up and it sounds awesome.
See pictures below.

By the way, when i talked to Definitive Technology about which speakers go with what speakers, They informed me all Def Tech speakers perfectly match with each other. They are design this way. So don't worry about what speakers match as long as you are using all Def tech's.

I use a Marantz SR5008 AVR after trying many Yamaha receivers and NAD. Found the higher end Marantz matches well with Definitive Technology speakers. Big factor for me was it has Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction and separate crossover settings for each speaker that i wanted.

Audyssey really helped out in bringing my system up to the next level in sound over the other receivers. By a large margin. It was like i bought new speakers but i didn't.

Denon receivers also have Audyssey room calibration at a lower price point. MY brother has a Denon with the same Audyssey room calibration as my Marantz but cost a 1/3 of the price ( under $300.00) thru Accessories4less and it works great in his apartment with a smaller Klipsch speaker set up.

As for subwoofers. Don't buy Def Tech. The RSL speedwoofer 10s is my go to sub right now. Excellent performing subwoofer and only cost $399.00 shipped to your house. Hard to beat this subwoofer for the price right now. Very user friendly and has a good variety of connectivity.
I have owned 7 different subwoofers including the SVS SB-1000 before it. The SVS cost me $530.00 because SVS charges tax in my state.(check your state). The RSL cost me $399.00 and out performs the SVS by a sizable margin. Sounds much better. I like compact size subwoofers with good output. The SVS PB-1000 ($530.00) is better on performance then the SB-1000 but is a much larger subwoofer. To big for my place.

Other subwoofers that i would consider before the SVS's at $500.00 are the HSU VTF-1 MK3 at $399.00. I really like this subwoofer because of it's adjustablity and size/performance factor! Then there is the new Emotiva BASX subwoofers at $299.00 for the 10" and $399.00 for the 12". These look to be very good subwoofers for the price point as well. here's are some links.
https://rslspeakers.com/speedwoofer10s/

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk3.html

https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s10

My pictures. You can see the in-ceilings are barley noticeable with the magnetic covers on them. Def Tech also recommended i go with the Di5.5r not the Di6.5r because of my low ceilings and placement of the rears. I aim the tweeters at the back wall at a 45 degree angle. They work great!

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I have the PC1000 as well and have no complaints. It matches up with my SM45's quite well actually. Also, you shouldn't have any bass coming through the center channel. If you have too much treble you can adjust it the AVR manually.. or should be able to. I guess it depends what you like and what you're going for.
I really should have described it as mid-bass, not deep sub-like bass. My AVR doesn't do the adjustment thing on specific channels, although not sure if the issue is so adjustable anyway. Most reviews of the 1000 vs 2000 sort of state how the 1000 is okay, but with the 2000 voices are more natural, fuller and male voices sound deeper. That is the main thing I notice with the 1000... male voices aren't exactly as deep as they should be sometimes.

Part of that is also what one just gets used to. If you listen to a center like that all the time, one may think a speaker with deeper male voices then sounds incorrect.

Anyway, my post was mostly just saying if someone is considering def techs, I'd recommend considering the 2000 instead of the 1000, if they can fit it.

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No they don't. The SM45 are rear ported. The SM55 has a bass radiator. You don't want these speakers close to the walls so no wall mounts. The Studio Monitor series is best on stands like Falconsfan71 has his SM 45's. If you want to wall mount then the Pro Cinema series Pro monitor 1000 or Mytho's series would be the way to go with Def Tech.

I run Mytho's 2 on wall with Pro center 1000 center and Di 5.5r in-ceilings for surrounds with a RSL speedwoofer 10s subwoofer corner located. You could do the same but use Pro Monitor 1000's for your fronts wall mounted or next to your TV. I have tested many different speakers and subwoofers in this room over the last 4 to 5 years. I have settled on this set up and it sounds awesome.
See pictures below.

By the way, when i talked to Definitive Technology about which speakers go with what speakers, They informed me all Def Tech speakers perfectly match with each other. They are design this way. So don't worry about what speakers match as long as you are using all Def tech's.

I use a Marantz SR5008 AVR after trying many Yamaha receivers and NAD. Found the higher end Marantz matches well with Definitive Technology speakers. Big factor for me was it has Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction and separate crossover settings for each speaker that i wanted.

Audyssey really helped out in bringing my system up to the next level in sound over the other receivers. By a large margin. It was like i bought new speakers but i didn't.

Denon receivers also have Audyssey room calibration at a lower price point. MY brother has a Denon with the same Audyssey room calibration as my Marantz but cost a 1/3 of the price ( under $300.00) thru Accessories4less and it works great in his apartment with a smaller Klipsch speaker set up.

As for subwoofers. Don't buy Def Tech. The RSL speedwoofer 10s is my go to sub right now. Excellent performing subwoofer and only cost $399.00 shipped to your house. Hard to beat this subwoofer for the price right now. Very user friendly and has a good variety of connectivity.
I have owned 7 different subwoofers including the SVS SB-1000 before it. The SVS cost me $530.00 because SVS charges tax in my state.(check your state). The RSL cost me $399.00 and out performs the SVS by a sizable margin. Sounds much better. I like compact size subwoofers with good output. The SVS PB-1000 ($530.00) is better on performance then the SB-1000 but is a much larger subwoofer. To big for my place.

Other subwoofers that i would consider before the SVS's at $500.00 are the HSU VTF-1 MK3 at $399.00. I really like this subwoofer because of it's adjustablity and size/performance factor! Then there is the new Emotiva BASX subwoofers at $299.00 for the 10" and $399.00 for the 12". These look to be very good subwoofers for the price point as well. here's are some links.
https://rslspeakers.com/speedwoofer10s/

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk3.html

https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s10

My pictures. You can see the in-ceilings are barley noticeable with the magnetic covers on them. Def Tech also recommended i go with the Di5.5r not the Di6.5r because of my low ceilings and placement of the rears. I aim the tweeters at the back wall at a 45 degree angle. They work great!

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How far should the rear wall be from the sm55s? Thanks
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How far should the rear wall be from the sm55s? Thanks
Sorry, I was actually referring to the SM45's with the rear port not being to close to a wall as it can cause the bass to become boomy.

The SM55's only need a couple of inches clearance on top if set in a book shelf. But the speakers will sound better if set on speaker stands and away from the wall at least 5 or 6 inches to open them up a bit. You also might want to try to angle them in some towards the MLP depending on how far your sitting from them.

(Living Room) Sony XBR-65X900E 4K TV, Sony UBP-X800 4K BD player, Pioneer SC-LX502, Def Tech BP9020's, A90 atmos, CS-9040 C and Di 5.5R surrounds

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