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My system cannot reach rock concert levels. I have no need for that capability. 87 24.37%
My system cannot reach rock concert levels. I wish it could. 23 6.44%
Yes, my system plays as loud as a live rock concert. But, I don't listen to music at those levels. 109 30.53%
Yes, my system plays as loud as a live rock concert. I turn it up on occasion. 127 35.57%
Yes, my system plays as loud as a live rock concert. I listen at those levels all of the time. 11 3.08%
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I'm pretty sure it can, yep. I don't get to listen to it that loud much, though. With my latest additions, I'm aiming for more bass to get the SPL up; I think the mid/high is plenty good.

I remember being at Dysfunctional Family Picnic quite a long time back at Jones Beach in NY, and System Of A Down was doing their sound-check and the kick drum was absolutely crazy! It shook my spine. It was the only time I was really jealous of a concert system. Maybe I'll be able to recreate that in my house...maybe I'll have lots of drywall cracks if/when I succeed, lol. However, I don't think the recordings of have of their stuff will do it without serious EQ on the playback side, which is unfortunate, but there are plenty of other bass heavy recordings to shake me to my core.
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Aside from trying to reproduce the SPLs and power of amplified music, I'm always amazed how far most (all, that I've heard, actually) consumer audio systems fall short of reproducing the power of UN-amplified music. I was recently in New Orleans and of course in the French Quarter parade-bands suddenly show up all the time. The sound power coming from tubas, trombones, trumpets and large drums, played at full level, is simply astonishing. Nothing I've heard in high end audio comes even remotely close to recreating it - just skin-flapping, teeth rattling HUGE sound. Same with some marching bands in a recent parade I attended. You need to start getting into the type of amplification/speakers used for public performances - concerts - to start talking about reproducing that type of power IMO.
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I've been to dozens of rock concerts and got used to loud music. Sometimes sounded great & other times too loud. But in my bonus room system at our vacation home with F206 fronts & Emotiva XPA-2 channel Amp it plays great up to 100 dB from 12 feet away. I find 90-95 dB a safe listening volume and the music sounds crystal clear & zero stress. Normal listening level is 80-85 dB for me

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How does your system compare to a rock concert? Can you match or beat the sonic energy of a large venue PA belting out >115 dB using your personal rig? I've seen & heard it done. Also, if your system can do it, I'm curious if you actually take advantage of that capability.

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One or two times I listened at rock concert SPL at home. It is insane!
Normal level for me, in order to enjoy music is 95 to 100 db.
Rarely listen above that levels. My 53 doesnt allow me....
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I guess you´d be VERY surprised if subjected to full power of audio system of many users. 130db no prob, 140db possible, some can touch 150. That´s reality You face it! :-)
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Yes, in my room, I guess one solid 21" can go past 140db too. Those who have larger system with more drivers will go past 150db piece of cake...
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I guess one solid 21" can go past 140db too.
With even 100dB sensitivity that would require some 10,000 watts. Give or take.
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Bill, room is not a free space. The room gain is there, and it is not small. Therefore it's possible with 2000 watts of power, and the driver can handle that.
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Bill, room is not a free space. The room gain is there, and it is not small. Therefore it's possible with 2000 watts of power, and the driver can handle that.
If the room in question is a car, yes. If it's a closet, yes. If it's a typical room, no.
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If the room in question is a car, yes. If it's a closet, yes. If it's a typical room, no.
Maybe not ALL closets

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Maybe not ALL closets

Exactly, luckily I was able to re-purpose my wife's 3600^3 walk-in (summer wardrobe only) into the current HT space by conceding to her the remaining sq footage. She lets me occupy other spaces as long as I behave.
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Exactly, luckily I was able to re-purpose my wife's 3600^3 walk-in (summer wardrobe only) into the current HT space by conceding to her the remaining sq footage. She lets me occupy other spaces as long as I behave.
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You're a lucky man Rob!

We would be lost without the wives, let's just admit it.
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We would be lost without the wives, let's just admit it.
I married up as they say so yes, I'm very lucky.

Back to the topic, my wife isn't fond of "too loud" but she has become addicted to the immersive sound/picture in the HT. Planet Earth II (bluray) was the latest and most amazing experience to date in the room.

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I married up as they say so yes, I'm very lucky.

Back to the topic, my wife isn't fond of "too loud" but she has become addicted to the immersive sound/picture in the HT. Planet Earth II (bluray) was the latest and most amazing experience to date in the room.
Haven't seen that one yet. Yeah, my wife is not a fan of loud either, but there is no denying that the new audio formats have brought a whole 'nother level of immersion to the table.

Like you, I want my ears to be the ultimate limiting factor on the volume knob, not the speakers. But I have come to listen far less at those volumes. I'm in a "Preservation of Hearing" mode lately, and its clear that too much high volume listening is dangerous. And with the immersive formats and so many speakers, it is very easy for things to get very, very loud. I have rung my ears and not even realized how loud it was since it is so crystal clear and non-fatigueing. I have to consciously remind myself of that fact to avoid it.
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my system will and does but I watch the time exposure so I do not damage my hearing
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Been reading a few posts of some mentioning having to deal with Tinittus and thought I would post this little vid I watched a little while ago. perhaps, worth a try and reposting elsewhere if it truly has benefit.


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There is no cure for Tinnitus. Honestly wish I would have paid more attention to it when I was younger. Its something you have to get use too. Getting to sleep can be an issue. Ive used a white noise background off and on with that.

Its one of those things that will just appear, you dont notice it and then you do. Check yourself before you wreck yourself
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Thanks Mark.

Because of this poll, I had to put on some music and crank it up to see what my system could do. I have a relatively quiet house in a quiet neighborhood with a low noise floor, so I never listen to music at ear bleeding levels. If I am playing music at 70Dbc with peaks of 85-88Dbc that seems fairly loud to me. But tonight MTV2 played an hour of Prince music videos to commemorate his passing so I got out one of my Prince CDs and put on a song. I listen to music in multi-channel surround, so I had 6 speakers plus 2 subwoofers hammering the room. I have a calibrated SPL meter which I set to Dbc, fast response, and max hold. I turned up the volume to -4 on my AVR and that resulted in 109.5 Dbc max volume. That was the limit for my ears, if I was going to go higher I would have put in some earplugs. What really surprised me was that I did not hear any distortion even though I was driving all the speakers in the room pretty hard.

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Thanks Mark.

Because of this poll, I had to put on some music and crank it up to see what my system could do. I have a relatively quiet house in a quiet neighborhood with a low noise floor, so I never listen to music at ear bleeding levels. If I am playing music at 70Dbc with peaks of 85-88Dbc that seems fairly loud to me. But tonight MTV2 played an hour of Prince music videos to commemorate his passing so I got out one of my Prince CDs and put on a song. I listen to music in multi-channel surround, so I had 6 speakers plus 2 subwoofers hammering the room. I have a calibrated SPL meter which I set to Dbc, fast response, and max hold. I turned up the volume to -4 on my AVR and that resulted in 109.5 Dbc max volume. That was the limit for my ears, if I was going to go higher I would have put in some earplugs. What really surprised me was that I did not hear any distortion even though I was driving all the speakers in the room pretty hard.
I, now have my system govern limited to 110dB for avg listening. I do listen loud, but don't listen very often and mix varying sources like jazz and classical into the mix. I have no desire any more to pound my ears with Led Zeppelin and Megadeth constantly. I don't want to become my father in law, who is stone deaf to everything but the sharpest transients.

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There is no cure for Tinnitus. Honestly wish I would have paid more attention to it when I was younger. Its something you have to get use too. Getting to sleep can be an issue. Ive used a white noise background off and on with that.

Its one of those things that will just appear, you dont notice it and then you do. Check yourself before you wreck yourself
I think it better to say, there is no known cure as of yet. At some point, relief will be found. Yeah, my Old Man has it. Though it is probably not from listening to his sound system too loud, which he does and instead from too many trips to the gun range. I sent the vid to him though I have not heard his experience as of yet. I am wondering if you attempted the technique shown in the video?

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lots of Rx drugs has tinnitus as a side effect, just fyi
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I think it better to say, there is no known cure as of yet. At some point, relief will be found. Yeah, my Old Man has it. Though it is probably not from listening to his sound system too loud, which he does and instead from too many trips to the gun range. I sent the vid to him though I have not heard his experience as of yet. I am wondering if you attempted the technique shown in the video?
I did try it to no avail. Ive been around machinery and power tools for 30+ yrs and didnt heed the ol'timers warnings in my younger days. At this point Im not concerned with a cure, from many Ive spoke to a cure wont happen in my lifetime.

Annoying sometimes but its only bad in dead silence which isnt very often. just hope to have my hearing until I go horizontal
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Would be blasting 160dB every day if not for those pesky damn neighbours of mine!
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Would be blasting 160dB every day if not for those pesky damn neighbours of mine!
If concerts actually went that loud personal injury lawyers would have a field day, as everyone in the audience would have severe hearing damage. But they don't, so they don't.
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If concerts actually went that loud personal injury lawyers would have a field day, as everyone in the audience would have severe hearing damage. But they don't, so they don't.

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There is one way to protect your hearing and keep your playback levels low.....get a wife.😀
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Yes it can, but I think I have only cranked it that loud once...for less than a song, just to see what they would do. The line-arrays I built are more than capable of 118 db on paper...and sound clean VERY loud. I normally listen between -20 and -10...and just occasionally go to -5...although the subs are a good 6 to 8 db "hot".

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I'm pretty sure mine can. M2s powered by I-tech amps. I've cranked them for a matter of seconds and it was absolutely ridiculous and painful.

@DreamWarrior you mentioning that concert reminds of a similar experience I had, but it wasn't at a concert. It was actually at a Broadway play, believe it or not. I went for a school field trip to see "Hairspray" and was dreading it. To my pleasant surprise, I experienced the best sound I ever heard. Loud, very clear and the kick drum was just as you say, tight and thumped so hard, it pulsated through my whole body. I was definitely in audio bliss
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I'm pretty sure mine can. M2s powered by I-tech amps. I've cranked them for a matter of seconds and it was absolutely ridiculous and painful.

@DreamWarrior you mentioning that concert reminds of a similar experience I had, but it wasn't at a concert. It was actually at a Broadway play, believe it or not. I went for a school field trip to see "Hairspray" and was dreading it. To my pleasant surprise, I experienced the best sound I ever heard. Loud, very clear and the kick drum was just as you say, tight and thumped so hard, it pulsated through my whole body. I was definitely in audio bliss
I know I keep coming back to this, but...

I know you are using the 708i for surrounds with your M2 as mains. Can the 708i keep up, as surrounds, at and above reference level with the M2 or do you find them "limiting" at that level?
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