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maybe this will help....if you get the HTD's I'm sure you will keep, same with Chane's A1.4

I'll try to break it down even more

HTD's Pro's- Bass, 6.5 ",lows, good tweeter, beautiful build, heavy, solid construction, mids good, highs good, imaging good, soundstage above average, can handle a lot of volume
Con's- while good at highs, mids, that's not their bread & butter, they bring more low end to the table, higher volume you hear some stress, but still handles better than others at high volumes
doesnt match Chane's at mids/highs/imaging/clarity/detail/high volume capability, but not that far behind, Chane's just designed to excel with what I just mentioned.

"HTD Level 3s- When I saw this speaker come in and I unboxed this beauty 2 songs came to mind “I’m too sexy” by Right said Fred and “She’s a brickhouse”
This speaker is an incredible piece of art and built like a brick. Sometimes I wonder if I gave up too early on this speaker. Next to the Elac’s, I gave the Level 3s the least amount of time and I really regret it. Low, low, low that is this speaker’s strength. Built like a tank! Bass really good. This speaker does everything pretty dam good, highs a little weak…pretty good dispersion of music. Like Chane’s dam good tolerance to high levels…Crank this baby up and up and up!! It actually wants you to crank it up. I could easily put these either right behind the Chane’s A1.4 and ahead of the QA 3020’s, as there are many reasons why that should be done, but….those QA 3020’s just surprise you… With the 6.5 it will go deeper but will have some rough patches with high’s and even the mid’s but not too bad. Very good in HT setting. The image was pretty good. As I write this, I am kicking myself for not spending more time with the Level 3s. I doubt they would replace the Chane’s 1.4 but a real possibility they could’ve surpassed the QA 3020s"
Thanks man...I know I can be repetitive at times but thanks for that input. So my consensus is this: Chane A1.4 >>>HTD L3>>>QA 3020.

I probably ordering the Chane A1.4s then the A2.4 down the road. Maybe Ill order x3 A2.4 down the road and a sub and complete my 5.1. Jus typing this sounds incredible.
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Just got the Phil AA's
Got them unpacked, ready to put on speaker stands and start listening. Gonna throw in vs. Jamo's C93 as comparion and maybe QA 3020's.

Thought they would come in a Philharmonic's Audio box of some sort, but Dennis kept the original Dayton Audio box to ship. I said, why did @DennisMurphy
send me Dayton's? Forgot they kit speakers with added touch...
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Thanks man...I know I can be repetitive at times but thanks for that input. So my consensus is this: Chane A1.4 >>>HTD L3>>>QA 3020.

I probably ordering the Chane A1.4s then the A2.4 down the road. Maybe Ill order x3 A2.4 down the road and a sub and complete my 5.1. Jus typing this sounds incredible.
no matter what you choose, I think you have a group of 3 good speakers and you can't go wrong no matter which you choose. As I have found, its all about YOUR ears and YOUR Room, that will help you decide.

Good Luck. Keep us informed.
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Thanks man...I know I can be repetitive at times but thanks for that input. So my consensus is this: Chane A1.4 >>>HTD L3>>>QA 3020.

I probably ordering the Chane A1.4s then the A2.4 down the road. Maybe Ill order x3 A2.4 down the road and a sub and complete my 5.1. Jus typing this sounds incredible.
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Thanks man...I know I can be repetitive at times but thanks for that input. So my consensus is this: Chane A1.4 >>>HTD L3>>>QA 3020.

I probably ordering the Chane A1.4s then the A2.4 down the road. Maybe Ill order x3 A2.4 down the road and a sub and complete my 5.1. Jus typing this sounds incredible.
I'm quite biased toward the 2.4. Simply because it punches so far above its figurative weight.

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I'm quite biased toward the 2.4. Simply because it punches so far above its figurative weight.

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I'm quite biased toward the 2.4. Simply because it punches so far above its figurative weight.

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BTW, what's with the Adcom, Arcus, Arcom or whatever all these speakers are?? Never heard of ?? Or are these code words for some Algebra algorithms ?
Knowing you probably some super expensive stuff so I don't even want to know....lol
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BTW, what's with the Adcom, Arcus, Arcom or whatever all these speakers are?? Never heard of ?? Or are these code words for some Algebra algorithms ?
Knowing you probably some super expensive stuff so I don't even want to know....lol
Amps and pre-amps, broski! Or "racks and stacks" from my pro sound days.

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So I've been runing AB with Phil AA's vs. Jamo's C93, got about 30 minutes of 2.0 music with each so far...
I can draw some conclusions but will give some break in time for both...
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Jamo's again performing good, I'll leave at that...mids good, clarity & detail, good

Phil AA's, difficult to push volume out of....I had volume 70, and they pushing out 73-76 dbs, 75 volume 77-81 dbs...gonna give them more playing time to break in
Dennis did mention to give them gas and they not very sensitive so I'm adjusting things accordingly on the fly

Definitely not jumping to any conclusions yet...
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no matter what you choose, I think you have a group of 3 good speakers and you can't go wrong no matter which you choose. As I have found, its all about YOUR ears and YOUR Room, that will help you decide.

Good Luck. Keep us informed.
Like I said before though I know our ears are different in physical sense lol...I feel our sound sig is somewhat the same. I feel the ascends are a tad to "in your face" sometimes with the treble that seems to fluctuate a lot since these speakers are not forgiving to what is thrown at them, so the speakers could be like my old Panasonic ZT60 plasma...it was so good at processing that when you fed it a crappy signal it wasn't like Samsung where they alter everything with fake processing tech to make the crappy stuff look like 4k...the zt60 was bad feed even worse feed out, so that is how I see the Ascends. If music is recorded with even the slightest imperfection, the Ascends will show it. Though everything I ever read on the 170s deems purely positive (honestly don't think I have read any bad reviews TBH) the owner does always state the speakers can be a bit forward and unforgiving at times but that mostly when describing music. I came across a great HT review of them stating adding the 340se center for even a 3.0 or 3.1 set up has blown people away.

through all my research and having the Ascends myself I would rate them this way (out of the speakers I have mentioned here):
1. Chane A2.4
2. Ascend 340se
3. Chane A1.4
4. Ascend 170se
5.HTD L3
6. QA 3020
7. ELAC B5 (unless your sole purpose is more bass, then the ELACs would go above the QA 3020s.)

for those just joining...I only have tested the ELACs (returned now) and the Ascend 170s (currently own..for now). Other ranking are based off the research provided here.

My fork in the road is a pair of 2.4s would be the same cost with the offered 3.0 bundle from Chane (A1.4 pair with A2.4 center). So I could essentially get my 3.0 system and build from there or the 2.4s and build from there. And since I have to make my room size a big disadvantage here since its only like 10-12x14-15, the 2.4s seem like such a waste in a space like that. But at the same time my brain whispers sweetness into my ears "just get the 2.4s and don't play them as loud as would the 1.4s, do it do it do it"
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Careful not to contract MPKitis. Next thing you know, you'll have 12 pairs of speakers sitting in your living room.
haha...its getting there.

On a very far side note...I just want to say, not only thank you to everyone In this thread...but the community of people in this thread and most of the speaker threads I have visited (but this one especially) have been full of awesome people. Man I go over to the TV threads and its like game of thrones if you tell a sony guy a Samsung has something better or vice versa. So again I thank you for your time and very knowledgeable information. Wish I never stopped my speaker era at 16 lol. 31 now.
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But at the same time my brain whispers sweetness into my ears "just get the 2.4s and don't play them as loud as would the 1.4s, do it do it do it"
Do it, do it, do it.

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mpk 1970 ... you ARE THE BOMB...thanks for doing this thread .. it's a great read , and it must have been fun to do...
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Thank you sir
Hey Mike, look what I found:


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Huge discount and they can be returned. Although, return shipping is NOT free. I have owned these and can tell you they sound amazing!


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just get the 2.4s and don't play them as loud as would the 1.4s, do it do it do it"
At times I wish I would have waited for the A2 when I got my A1's as there have been those moments were I wanted more volume which in part is easier to achieve with more speaker surface. I'd go even farther to say I would have liked to have gotten A5's all around. My room is 40x20 and I like the extra volume but I have never regretted the A1 center and rears.

I will get the larger center and tower L-series when they come out. It's easier to get the larger speaker and ask less of it than to get the smaller speaker and ask more of it. The 1.4 will work fine but the 2.4 will be a grand slam home run, I say swing for the fence.
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Like I said before though I know our ears are different in physical sense lol...I feel our sound sig is somewhat the same. I feel the ascends are a tad to "in your face" sometimes with the treble that seems to fluctuate a lot since these speakers are not forgiving to what is thrown at them. If music is recorded with even the slightest imperfection, the Ascends will show it. Though everything I ever read on the 170s deems purely positive (honestly don't think I have read any bad reviews TBH) the owner does always state the speakers can be a bit forward and unforgiving at times but that mostly when describing music. I came across a great HT review of them stating adding the 340se center for even a 3.0 or 3.1 set up has blown people away.
This was my experience when I owned Ascends, though I did find the 340SE to be somewhat more forgiving than the 170SE. It's why I recommend them mainly for people who are predominantly HT users because I think that BD and DVD sources are generally of much higher quality than CDs which can fluctuate wildly, let alone MP3 and streaming music sources. I never felt that excessive treble was the problem---they never produced the kind of harsh, shouty or shrill treble that some Klipsch or Def Tech speakers do, but they did make some recordings sound a bit lean/thin or clinical. With the rare (at least in my low-budget collection, lol) redbook CD they could sound really nice, though.

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Thank you sir
Hey Mike, look what I found:


http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/6...irdseye-maple/


Huge discount and they can be returned. Although, return shipping is NOT free. I have owned these and can tell you they sound amazing!


Cheers,

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For some reason I can't read anything you wrote?? Oh well, must not have been important lol
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just get the 2.4s and don't play them as loud as would the 1.4s, do it do it do it"
At times I wish I would have waited for the A2 when I got my A1's as there have been those moments were I wanted more volume which in part is easier to achieve with more speaker surface. I'd go even farther to say I would have liked to have gotten A5's all around. My room is 40x20 and I like the extra volume but I have never regretted the A1 center and rears.

I will get the larger center and tower L-series when they come out. It's easier to get the larger speaker and ask less of it than to get the smaller speaker and ask more of it. The 1.4 will work fine but the 2.4 will be a grand slam home run, I say swing for the fence.
I like that analogy

"Easier to get the larger speaker and ask less of it than get the smaller speaker and ask more of it"
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http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/6...irdseye-maple/


Huge discount and they can be returned. Although, return shipping is NOT free. I have owned these and can tell you they sound amazing!


Cheers,

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"These sound too good for me, I'm not worthy!"

Yeah, I sold them. Right before I owned the Taylos, I had owned a set of Ty's Linbrooks Signature Monitors. However, soon thereafter I had (2) major setbacks both in terms of my health and my finances. In short, the Linbrooks got sent back and the Taylos merely fell into my lap. One thing I also learned here was that quite frankly high end speakers really need higher end electronics to sound their best. At the time, my Denon X4000 did an admirable job. But, I really needed more high current amplification. Just did not have the funds for such. That is why the Taylos were sold off. But, yes they sounded amazing. In fact, the Linbrooks are the best sounding speakers that I have ever owned/heard with the Taylos not too far behind.

Prior to the setbacks mentioned earlier, I had a heart-attack on December 24th, 2015. Luckily, I survived it. However, every since that day I have looked at life very differently. Hence, I developed a "bucket list". Never given much thought to one prior to my heart-attack. As such, I made me a list of all of the things that I want to do and experience before my time is up. Much of which involves audio. Hope to own a good integrated tube amp one day. Something from the likes of Jolida would serve me well. Right now, the budget is just not there.


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Yeah, I sold them. Right before I owned the Taylos, I had owned a set of Ty's Linbrooks Signature Monitors. However, soon thereafter I had (2) major setbacks both in terms of my health and my finances. In short, the Linbrooks got sent back and the Taylos merely fell into my lap. One thing I also learned here was that quite frankly high end speakers really need higher end electronics to sound their best. At the time, my Denon X4000 did an admirable job. But, I really needed more high current amplification. Just did not have the funds for such. That is why the Taylos were sold off. But, yes they sounded amazing. In fact, the Linbrooks are the best sounding speakers that I have ever owned/heard with the Taylos not too far behind.

Prior to the setbacks mentioned earlier, I had a heart-attack on December 24th, 2015. Luckily, I survived it. However, every since that day I have looked at life very differently. Hence, I developed a "bucket list". Never given much thought to one prior to my heart-attack. As such, I made me a list of all of the things that I want to do and experience before my time is up. Much of which involves audio. Hope to own a good integrated tube amp one day. Something from the likes of Jolida would serve me well. Right now, the budget is just not there.


Cheers,

Phil
Phil,
Dont worry man, you're gonna be living many more years. Glad you made it thru. But to be frank, be thankful, our heart attack protocols gives somebody very good hope of survival, cancer on the other hand....
I on the other hand, after this speaker bill, may not be living for much longer.
So sure, like @Zorba922 feel free to send me any speakers that you want me to buy

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@socalsharky has an awesome write up on some speakers

At least 3 very popular speakers within $1,000

SVS Ultra's
Ascend 340s
Chane's A2.4

Makes my reviews look like poop lol

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...-speakers.html

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Dont worry man, you're gonna be living many more years. Glad you made it thru. But to be frank, be thankful, our heart attack protocols gives somebody very good hope of survival, cancer on the other hand....
I on the other hand, after this speaker bill, may not be living for much longer.
So sure, like @Zorba922 feel free to send me any speakers that you want me to buy
Thanks Mike. I sure hope you are right. No worries. I have handed it all over to Jesus. HE is what I am most thankful for. I also understand you have been out a lot of money and time. We all appreciate what you have taken the time to do. It is very helpful for those needing to make a decision before pulling the trigger. If you lived closer, I would be more than happy to assist. But, not on the money side of scale......LOL!!!!!


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@socalsharky has an awesome write up on some speakers

At least 3 very popular speakers within $1,000

SVS Ultra's
Ascend 340s
Chane's A2.4

Makes my reviews look like poop lol

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...-speakers.html
Actually Mike, you both are doing an excellent job. It is also good to compare notes. Look for common denominators and the like. Things like that coupled with our own experiences helps us to make well informed decisions. Sometimes, it is a gamble where we all win or lose from time to time. However, in the end it all balances out. At least, most of the time. Keep up the good work. It is most helpful!


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Just got the Phil AA's
Got them unpacked, ready to put on speaker stands and start listening. Gonna throw in vs. Jamo's C93 as comparion and maybe QA 3020's.

Thought they would come in a Philharmonic's Audio box of some sort, but Dennis kept the original Dayton Audio box to ship. I said, why did @DennisMurphy
send me Dayton's? Forgot they kit speakers with added touch...
Oh yes, definitely compare them to the 3020s as AA and Q Acoustics offer the lowest bang for buck out there...mind you with the QA's it is the 2000 series not the 3000 series so if the AAs are as good as the QA 3020 that is high praise indeed though clearly the AAs are the better choice, on paper, for 2.0 due to their lower extension/larger woofers.

I'm more curious about the tweeter comparison.
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I'm quite biased toward the 2.4. Simply because it punches so far above its figurative weight.

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It seems that they certainly win hands down for Mike above reference levels but keeping in mind the price a pair of 2.4s is about the same price as the HTDs or Q Acoustics with an Emotiva BasX S8 or S10 so for most budget shoppers who don't need above reference potential Mike has uncovered some lower cost gems that when combined with a sub play much lower yet clearly at lower volume levels for the same money.

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It seems that they certainly win hands down for Mike above reference levels but keeping in mind the price a pair of 2.4s is about the same price as the HTDs or Q Acoustics with an Emotiva BasX S8 or S10 so for most budget shoppers who don't need above reference potential Mike has uncovered some lower cost gems that when combined with a sub play much lower yet clearly at lower volume levels for the same money.
The benefits that Mike described were more than just SPL capability.

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The benefits that Mike described were more than just SPL capability.

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Not my take as at lower volumes the comparison came down to splitting hairs and all but the Elacs would likely be satisfactory and if budget were a concern there were some excellent choices for less money.

But he can chime in and clarify.

But I don't have any of the speakers in the test so no real dog in the fight.

My conclusion was that there are some great values out there including the Jamos.

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