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OP Thank you for doing this amazing comparison review! It is so helpful to newbies in home audio like myself.

I'm exceedingly interested in the Chanes. I was considering the Ascend Sierra 2s, but after some exploring in the AVS forum threads doing my research and helpful suggestions from people like you and Zorba, it becomes evident that in hi-fi audio, often, a 2x-5x jump in price may only yield marginal 5-10+ % increase in discernable sound improvement.

All this time I was really set on the SVS ultras because that's what all my research from non-forum sources led me to, however, the price is still a bit steep for me at $1000 a pair so I would be remiss if I didn't try them out at least to see how they stack up.

That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
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That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
The A2.4 are dual woofer versions of the A1.4 ... if you have the budget and/or want high SPLs, yes it would be the better speaker to get.
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/A2.4
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That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
The 2.4 are bookshelves. Probably a little bigger than average, but still bookshelves.

https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/A2.4
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That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
Yes they are both the same speaker you just rotate the tweeter. Order 3 speakers.

Older version of the speakers
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The A2.4 are dual woofer versions of the A1.4 ... if you have the budget and/or want high SPLs, yes it would be the better speaker to get.
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/A2.4
Thanks. Can you please explain the SPL acronym? So Chane's best 3.1 sound quality setup is 3 A2.4's, correct?
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Thanks. Can you please explain the SPL acronym? So Chane's best 3.1 sound quality setup is 3 A2.4's, correct?
Sound Pressure Level, a.k.a. "volume" or "loudness" levels.

Their "best" is probably the A5.4 towers, which are a good deal more expensive and won't be back in stock until mid-December at the earliest.

For HT use and with a limited budget, the A2.4 would be a more pragmatic choice.
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The A2.4 are dual woofer versions of the A1.4 ... if you have the budget and/or want high SPLs, yes it would be the better speaker to get.
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/A2.4
Thanks. Can you please explain the SPL acronym? So Chane's best 3.1 sound quality setup is 3 A2.4's, correct?
I don't have A2.4* any more fantastic speakers.
I'm a tower guy now
Give them juice (amp) and the A2.4s will open up beautifully
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OP Thank you for doing this amazing comparison review! It is so helpful to newbies in home audio like myself.

I'm exceedingly interested in the Chanes. I was considering the Ascend Sierra 2s, but after some exploring in the AVS forum threads doing my research and helpful suggestions from people like you and Zorba, it becomes evident that in hi-fi audio, often, a 2x-5x jump in price may only yield marginal 5-10+ % increase in discernable sound improvement.

All this time I was really set on the SVS ultras because that's what all my research from non-forum sources led me to, however, the price is still a bit steep for me at $1000 a pair so I would be remiss if I didn't try them out at least to see how they stack up.

That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
I have owned both the SVS Ultra Bookshelfs and the Chane A2.4's. Of the two, the A2.4's were much better in every regard inmho. However, the Ultras build quality is exceptional having a high WAF. They are also very neutral speakers with decent low end extension. But, they did NOT "WOW" me. The Ultras did nothing wrong per se, but I just did not get excited by them.

Now the A2.4's like totally blew me away. They were just as extended and neutral, but drew me into them more. The A2.4's have a way of keeping my attention. Very non-fatiguing and a bit sweet if you will. They can also play absurdly loud w/o breaking a sweat. Not many speakers can do that. With (3) A2.4's across the front produced the most cohesive wall of sound that I have ever owned in this hobby. I simply can not recommend them enough. Hope this helps. Best wishes!


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OP Thank you for doing this amazing comparison review! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] It is so helpful to newbies in home audio like myself.

I'm exceedingly interested in the Chanes. I was considering the Ascend Sierra 2s, but after some exploring in the AVS forum threads doing my research and helpful suggestions from people like you and Zorba, it becomes evident that in hi-fi audio, often, a 2x-5x jump in price may only yield marginal 5-10+ % increase in discernable sound improvement.

All this time I was really set on the SVS ultras because that's what all my research from non-forum sources led me to, however, the price is still a bit steep for me at $1000 a pair so I would be remiss if I didn't try them out at least to see how they stack up.

That said, I want to order the Chane speakers 2 bookshelf A2.4s and a Center Channel A2.4, for a 3.1 L/C/R setup. But I only see the A1.4's in bookshelves. The 2.4's are a "better" speaker than the A1.4s correct? Is there such a thing as a Chane 2.4 Bookshelf? I'm trying to understand their product line.
I have owned both the SVS Ultra Bookshelfs and the Chane A2.4's. Of the two, the A2.4's were much better in every regard inmho. However, the Ultras build quality is exceptional having a high WAF. They are also very neutral speakers with decent low end extension. But, they did NOT "WOW" me. The Ultras did nothing wrong per se, but I just did not get excited by them.

Now the A2.4's like totally blew me away. They were just as extended and neutral, but drew me into them more. The A2.4's have a way of keeping my attention. Very non-fatiguing and a bit sweet if you will. They can also play absurdly loud w/o breaking a sweat. Not many speakers can do that. With (3) A2.4's across the front produced the most cohesive wall of sound that I have ever owned in this hobby. I simply can not recommend them enough. Hope this helps. Best wishes!


Cheers,

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Sound Pressure Level, a.k.a. "volume" or "loudness" levels.

Their "best" is probably the A5.4 towers, which are a good deal more expensive and won't be back in stock until mid-December at the earliest.

For HT use and with a limited budget, the A2.4 would be a more pragmatic choice.
@zorba and everyone So Thankful for all your suggestions!

@MPK mpk1970, I'm going to run these speakers with the Denon X4400H...I presume that's more than enough native power for the chanes right? like I don't need an additional amp, do I?
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@MPK mpk1970, I'm going to run these speakers with the Denon X4400H...I presume that's more than enough native power for the chanes right? like I don't need an additional amp, do I?
The A2.4's are true 8-ohm speakers and are very easy to drive. The X4400 would be fine for the most part. However, there is nothing wrong with adding more power. I would at the very least try them w/your X4400 first before buying an outboard amp. I powered my A2.4's with a Denon X4000 and it did fine for my needs. But, I am more into SQ than SPL.


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Sound Pressure Level, a.k.a. "volume" or "loudness" levels.

Their "best" is probably the A5.4 towers, which are a good deal more expensive and won't be back in stock until mid-December at the earliest.

For HT use and with a limited budget, the A2.4 would be a more pragmatic choice.
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The A2.4's are true 8-ohm speakers and are very easy to drive. The X4400 would be fine for the most part. However, there is nothing wrong with adding more power. I would at the very least try them w/your X4400 first before buying an outboard amp. I powered my A2.4's with a Denon X4000 and it did fine for my needs. But, I am more into SQ than SPL.


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SO Phil, hang-on...I',m still new to all this. Are you telling me that adding more power ie via an external amp will improve the sound quality even more on speakers? How does that work, I was of the thinking that too much power will blow a speaker out or something.
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SO Phil, hang-on...I',m still new to all this. Are you telling me that adding more power ie via an external amp will improve the sound quality even more on speakers? How does that work, I was of the thinking that too much power will blow a speaker out or something.
Basically, it all depends on the speakers and how loud you like to play them. For example, if your sweet spot is say 11' from your front-stage, then you will need more volume if your sweet spot was closer than 11'. The X4400 will power them very well. But, it all depends on how loud you like things and how far your sweet spot is from your front-stage. As mentioned, I would try your X4400 first and go from there. We are all different and have different needs. I like to rock out every now and then, but most of the time I listen at moderate levels. How far back is your sweet spot from your front-stage? Do you like it very loud or more moderate levels?


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Basically, it all depends on the speakers and how loud you like to play them. For example, if your sweet spot is say 11' from your front-stage, then you will need more volume if your sweet spot was closer than 11'. The X4400 will power them very well. But, it all depends on how loud you like things and how far your sweet spot is from your front-stage. As mentioned, I would try your X4400 first and go from there. We are all different and have different needs. I like to rock out every now and then, but most of the time I listen at moderate levels. How far back is your sweet spot from your front-stage? Do you like it very loud or more moderate levels?


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Ah, I getcha. I like to listen to my movies/TV at moderate-high levels of volume but I also want there to be great clarity and sparkle for all the ranges at low volumes (i have a 3 month old). My sweetspot or position where I sit is exactly 11ft 10in from the face of my TV.
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Ah, I getcha. I like to listen to my movies/TV at moderate-high levels of volume but I also want there to be great clarity and sparkle for all the ranges at low volumes (i have a 3 month old). My sweetspot or position where I sit is exactly 11ft 10in from the face of my TV.
The A2.4 center is the best center channel speaker that I have ever owned. It is loud and clear and very easy to drive. Your X4400 will do fine imho. I would at least try it first before ordering an outboard amp. (3) A2.4's across the front is pure magic! It totally blew me away. My MLP was 8' from my front-stage. I never felt the need for more power. That is, the Denon AVR-X4000 did a superb job for me. The X4400 is the newest version and is a very good AVR!


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The A2.4 center is the best center channel speaker that I have ever owned. It is loud and clear and very easy to drive. Your X4400 will do fine imho. I would at least try it first before ordering an outboard amp. (3) A2.4's across the front is pure magic! It totally blew me away. My MLP was 8' from my front-stage. I never felt the need for more power. That is, the Denon AVR-X4000 did a superb for me. The X4400 is the newest version and is a very good AVR!


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Awesome sauce! Thanks for sharing your experience. That's why I love these forums - for the people who help guide others through their experiences. It's so easy to get carried away in this hobby and so I appreciate all the suggestions. Take it easy!
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Ah, I getcha. I like to listen to my movies/TV at moderate-high levels of volume but I also want there to be great clarity and sparkle for all the ranges at low volumes (i have a 3 month old). My sweetspot or position where I sit is exactly 11ft 10in from the face of my TV.
The A2.4 center is the best center channel speaker that I have ever owned. It is loud and clear and very easy to drive. Your X4400 will do fine imho. I would at least try it first before ordering an outboard amp. (3) A2.4's across the front is pure magic! It totally blew me away. My MLP was 8' from my front-stage. I never felt the need for more power. That is, the Denon AVR-X4000 did a superb for me. The X4400 is the newest version and is a very good AVR!


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I might just buy both the Chane A2.4s (3x) and the Emotiva C2 center channel and a pair of B1s (curious as to why there is no B2 bookshelf).

Really interested to see how the Emotiva center measures up to the sound from Chanes A2.4

It'll be good to try out both for a couple weeks and return the loser.
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Well, the B1 is not going to stand a chance against the A2.4 ... a fairer matchup would be the B1 vs the A1.4

I think the reason Emotiva doesn't make a B2 is because it would probably cost at least $500/pr which puts it too close to the $700/pr T1 towers...which, if you add in the cost of speaker stands for the B2, would be just a $100 or less difference.

However, if you're interested in doing MTM x 3, I would look into the RBH R515 which is currently on sale for just $150 apiece...jaw-dropping bargain.
https://rbhsound.com/bfs-2018zx.php

3 x R515 = $450 shipped,
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2 x R515 + 1 x R515e = $545 shipped
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Well, the B1 is not going to stand a chance against the A2.4 ... a fairer matchup would be the B1 vs the A1.4

I think the reason Emotiva doesn't make a B2 is because it would probably cost at least $500/pr which puts it too close to the $700/pr T1 towers...which, if you add in the cost of speaker stands for the B2, would be just a $100 or less difference.

However, if you're interested in doing MTM x 3, I would look into the RBH R515 which is currently on sale for just $150 apiece...jaw-dropping bargain.
https://rbhsound.com/bfs-2018zx.php

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Interesting...would you say the RBH 515Es are comparable to the Chane A2.4s or better in sounds quality/performance for HT?
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Interesting...would you say the RBH 515Es are comparable to the Chane A2.4s or better in sounds quality/performance for HT?
I would expect them to be close, slightly better or not quite as good, I have no idea. Hard to say, really: There's not been nearly as much feedback about them on this forum because RBH seems to be pretty complacent about promoting them. My conjecture is that RBH already enjoys plenty of revenue from its dealer-only upmarket model lines, and so the "Impression" ID series seem to be more of an afterthought and half-hearted experiment.
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What? No redheads.........LOL!!!! One thing I learned about redheads is to watch their fingernails. That was a really wild night back in the day. Glad you like your Emotiva towers. Been looking at the B1 bookshelfs myself. Have read nothing but good things about them.


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i would think you would find the b1s very interesting..i would bet that you would like them , but as we know , one can never tell...
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Well, the B1 is not going to stand a chance against the A2.4 ... a fairer matchup would be the B1 vs the A1.4

I think the reason Emotiva doesn't make a B2 is because it would probably cost at least $500/pr which puts it too close to the $700/pr T1 towers...which, if you add in the cost of speaker stands for the B2, would be just a $100 or less difference.

However, if you're interested in doing MTM x 3, I would look into the RBH R515 which is currently on sale for just $150 apiece...jaw-dropping bargain.
https://rbhsound.com/bfs-2018zx.php

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2 x R515 + 1 x R515e = $545 shipped
actually .. if you take dynamics and pure volume out of the equation *in a small / med room* i would take the b1s and take my chances .. however, if loud is your thing the a2.4 is the clear winner in anything bigger than a closet...
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i would think you would find the b1s very interesting..i would bet that you would like them , but as we know , one can never tell...
Hello Lee hope all is well. I do intend to get around to giving the B1's a try. Actually, I plan to drive to Franklin, TN and take a tour of Emotiva's facilities come next Spring. I have family that lives there so plan to catch up w/them while I am there. Hope to make a full day of it. It is only a little over 2.5 hours drive from me. At least, that is my plan. Hope that you have had a good Thanksgiving!


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Hello Lee hope all is well. I do intend to get around to giving the B1's a try. Actually, I plan to drive to Franklin, TN and take a tour of Emotiva's facilities come next Spring. I have family that lives there so plan to catch up w/them while I am there. Hope to make a full day of it. It is only a little over 2.5 hours drive from me. At least, that is my plan. Hope that you have had a good Thanksgiving!


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happy Thanksgiving to you as well.. that sounds like a fun way to spend a day..and that is a facility i would love to see myself.. i tell you , i still find the b1s surprise me on occasion a to how good they sound, it sounds a little bit fanboy -ish i know but i still can't get over how good the mids and treble are on that speaker. enjoy your weekend
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actually .. if you take dynamics and pure volume out of the equation *in a small / med room* i would take the b1s and take my chances .. however, if loud is your thing the a2.4 is the clear winner in anything bigger than a closet...


I didn't know you had gotten a chance to hear the Chanes. What did you think of them?


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have not heard them , if you re read my post you will observe that i make certain assumptions based on my experience with emotiva.. i plan on hearing chane at some point, i assume they are very nice, i am just partial the emotiva tweeter and presentation..
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have not heard them , if you re read my post you will observe that i make certain assumptions based on my experience with emotiva.. i plan on hearing chane at some point, i assume they are very nice, i am just partial the emotiva tweeter and presentation..


Oh. I'm confused. You drew a pretty clear and specific comparison, regarding how the speakers sound, and I thought you had heard the Chanes already.


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