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So I am switching around my house a bit and am moving my setup upstairs.

Currently I have a marantz NR1508 as my receiver (Had to go slim) and I am using some old Polk T15 Bookshelfs that I had lying around as my L-R and a T30 as the Center. I also had an old sony powered sub that I was using.

Now the Polks don't sound that bad, but the Sony Sub is god awful. What I am looking to do is move the T15s to the back and get some better L-R (possibly a new center) and a new sub for my setup. The total of those 3 (4) speakers could be a max of about $500. Room is 28" wide by 14" Deep. TV is centered on the long wall so the sound doesn't have to travel that far and we sit about 8-10' from the system. Mostly used for Football, Movies, and Gaming.
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So what makes getting the JBLs and Emotiva better than say these?
Klipsch RB-10 Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) - $100 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)
Klipsch Reference Series 10-Inch Powered Subwoofer - $150 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)

Ive noticed on several posts that I had previously read that you seem consistently to recommend the JBLs so I am just curious as to the reasons.
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So what makes getting the JBLs and Emotiva better than say these?
Klipsch RB-10 Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) - $100 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)
Klipsch Reference Series 10-Inch Powered Subwoofer - $150 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)

Ive noticed on several posts that I had previously read that you seem consistently to recommend the JBLs so I am just curious as to the reasons.
I have owned some reference Klipsch, Polk, and the JBL B17 along with other JBL speakers.

The JBL woofer is 3 inches bigger than the Klipsch, the JBL will have more bass punch, will be more smooth with big dynamics. Plus, the JBL will throw a bigger and wider soundstage. The Emotiva should be more tight, controlled and linear in the bass.

Your call, buy what you desire -- at the least, I would think about going for the JBL bookshelf and center -- and if budget is real tight, then buy the Klipsch sub. It will beat the Sony.

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I have owned some reference Klipsch, Polk, and the JBL B17 along with other JBL speakers.

The JBL woofer is 3 inches bigger than the Klipsch, the JBL will have more bass punch, will be more smooth with big dynamics. Plus, the JBL will throw a bigger and wider soundstage. The Emotiva should be more tight, controlled and linear in the bass.

Your call, buy what you desire -- at the least, I would think about going for the JBL bookshelf and center -- and if budget is real tight, then buy the Klipsch sub. It will beat the Sony.
Budget isn't super tight, I have just been doing loads of research and trying to figure out the 'why' people recommend one thing over the other. I have always had either a super basic setup (like above), all satellite speakers, or a sound bar set-up. Never have gone bookshelf/floor standing so want to determine what would be the best.
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So what makes getting the JBLs and Emotiva better than say these?
Klipsch RB-10 Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) - $100 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)
Klipsch Reference Series 10-Inch Powered Subwoofer - $150 Newegg (since I'm not allowed to post links yet apparently)

Ive noticed on several posts that I had previously read that you seem consistently to recommend the JBLs so I am just curious as to the reasons.
The RB10 are good as surrounds. I would not recommend them for fronts.

The only decent Klipsch subs are the new R112 and especially the R115SW...but they're way overpriced compared to what you can get from internet-direct subwoofer specialist companies like Hsu, Rythmik, etc. Companies that mostly make speakers usually make very underwhelming subwoofers, they get by with mediocre subs because they know that most newbie consumers are easily duped into thinking that the sub should "match" the speakers by brand, and there are plenty of slimy salespeople out there happy to peddle that myth and/or too dumb not to realize it's a myth.

The JBLs are solid speakers for HT usage due to their high detail and dynamics without the ear-piercing brightness of the Klipsch Reference series.

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Budget isn't super tight, Never have gone bookshelf/floor standing so want to determine what would be the best.
Well something like the JBL and even that Klipsch sub will elevate your experience -- JBL bookshelf and center with the Klipsch sub, will bring you under your $500 budget.

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Budget isn't super tight, I have just been doing loads of research and trying to figure out the 'why' people recommend one thing over the other. I have always had either a super basic setup (like above), all satellite speakers, or a sound bar set-up. Never have gone bookshelf/floor standing so want to determine what would be the best.
Some of it is preference. Some people prefer warmer speakers (low timbre), some brighter... some just prefer a specific sound signature.

And of course quality comes into play too. For instance, I found the low end Polks god awful when I tried them. Most here probably wouldn't recommend them. Now that's not a sound signature thing, just that the speakers are veiled, not very detailed, and bleh (not exactly an audio term there).

You could visit a local best buy/audio place, just listen to some speakers, see what catches your ear, so to speak.

As for the Klipsch, to some they are too bright, so after listening to them a while they begin to get annoying. To me, they are sort of like watching a TV on vivid settings -- they stand out in the store, so probably useful for selling to the casual shopper, but after a short while, you really begin to dislike them. But everyone is different ... some folks like that sound. Doesn't mean they are wrong, we just have different ears.

I'd say if you go to BB, give Sony Cores a listen, maybe Polk S .... not sure if they have anything else worthwhile in your budget.

JBLs mentioned here should be a very nice upgrade for you too. Other brands to consider, like Philharmonic AAs, Qacoustics, etc, but I don't think they'd fit in your budget w/ sub. As for the BasX, it hits it stated specs (or at least I think it does) with favorable reviews and nice, tight bass.
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So I am switching around my house a bit and am moving my setup upstairs.

Currently I have a marantz NR1508 as my receiver (Had to go slim) and I am using some old Polk T15 Bookshelfs that I had lying around as my L-R and a T30 as the Center. I also had an old sony powered sub that I was using.

Now the Polks don't sound that bad, but the Sony Sub is god awful. What I am looking to do is move the T15s to the back and get some better L-R (possibly a new center) and a new sub for my setup. The total of those 3 (4) speakers could be a max of about $500. Room is 28" wide by 14" Deep. TV is centered on the long wall so the sound doesn't have to travel that far and we sit about 8-10' from the system. Mostly used for Football, Movies, and Gaming.
Big space, not a hugely powerful AVR so efficiency would be a good idea.

I've had great luck with refurbished and this would make a great 3.0.

http://www.safeandsoundhq.com/Klipsc...SAAEgI2B_D_BwE

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA2GA5U60802

If that is too much money then get these for the left and right as they do far less work than the center does in 3.1 and your AVR EQ will EQ them to sound more like the EQ for the center.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

That would leave you enough money for this sub.

https://emotiva.com/products/subwoofers/basx-s8

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Budget isn't super tight, I have just been doing loads of research and trying to figure out the 'why' people recommend one thing over the other. I have always had either a super basic setup (like above), all satellite speakers, or a sound bar set-up. Never have gone bookshelf/floor standing so want to determine what would be the best.
What would be best is steering clear of satellite and HTIB's. The above recommended JBL are deeply discounted because they have been rebranded as JBL arena 100 series which is essentially the exact same speakers. Some great deals can be had on good quality speakers on the net.
Def tech SM 45/55 currently on sale would be a significant upgrade to what you have.
https://www1.crutchfield.com/p_735SM...onitor-45.html

Internet direct speakers such as Chane, RBH, Ascend offer great performance for modest prices.
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/lou...e-loudspeakers
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...70/cbm170.html
https://rbhsound.com/r5bi.php
Higher end speakers on clearance
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ck-pair/1.html
You will need a hefty sub to fill that space. Dual subs would be even better.

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What would be best is steering clear of satellite and HTIB's. The above recommended JBL are deeply discounted because they have been rebranded as JBL arena 100 series which is essentially the exact same speakers. Some great deals can be had on good quality speakers on the net.
Def tech SM 45/55 currently on sale would be a significant upgrade to what you have.

You will need a hefty sub to fill that space. Dual subs would be even better.
I have thought about the dual subs, but even though the room is rather large the way the configuration is set up the "listenable" space is really about a 14'x14' so the whole space isn't really needed. My only concern with the dual subs was uncertainty about how this space would sounds. I was going to try the single sub first and upgrade down the road if the dual was needed.
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I have thought about the dual subs, but even though the room is rather large the way the configuration is set up the "listenable" space is really about a 14'x14' so the whole space isn't really needed. My only concern with the dual subs was uncertainty about how this space would sounds. I was going to try the single sub first and upgrade down the road if the dual was needed.
A single decent sub near the front three speakers usually is enough.

In my secondary room I couldn't do that and one sub under the right side of the end table by the couch was too "localized" so adding a second took care of that issue.

If I could have had one near the front three one would have been fine.

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