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Wow! That is a big thumbs up for the QSC. I never expected that against the 4722's which are regarded as a crazy buy.
Let's conclude that at least they are very close to each other. it's weird to me that besides from some (clone) QSC 2150's, there is virtually zero feedback regarding QSC cinema speakers.
I will let you know next week how my QSC SR-1020 surrounds sound. I want for a moment first to set them up as left and right speakers to test them combined with my subs.

Command.com: I had the same feeling... I knew the 1120's would be as good as the 1150's and still went for the latter. Also not enough space for screen in front. One remark: I put them about a feet higher, it sounds better to me. Distance MLP to speaker is about 10'.
Yeah your right I've think I've only seen one other guy other than us with oem qsc speakers for mains I've seen a few people with the surrounds on the forum. The member that sold me the 2150s @cdy2179 actually went to jbl 3677s . Now is using htm 12s from diysoundgroup.

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i remember reading about the switch from 2150 to 3677, but if I don't think it was because of better sound quality, but can be wrong.
And i also couldn't find a single post about the QSC surround speakers, mine will be the first it seems. Hopefully next week.
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i remember reading about the switch from 2150 to 3677, but if I don't think it was because of better sound quality, but can be wrong.
And i also couldn't find a single post about the QSC surround speakers, mine will be the first it seems. Hopefully next week.
Yeah it wasn't due to sound quality he built them too high in the baffle wall so it was overshooting the seats so he went to the shorter 3677 so he wouldn't have to redo the baffle wall. Yeah now that you say that it's the jbl surrounds I see people doing not the qsc's. Let me know how they sound. i ended up going with volt 10lx which sound good with the qsc's

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I'll chime in here. I went from 2150s to 3677s to get the speakers lower in my baffle wall as I installed the 2150s a tad to high and the first row was off axis. I wasn't redoing that wall..lol. Do I get sad when I see them in Jeremy's wall.. yes I do!

I went from 3677s to htm-12s because I found i sat in the back row all the time and liked the 40 degree viewing angle vs the 53 degree. My mains were spaced for the front row. Front row sounded huge and immersive 2nd row didn't as they were too close for that row and sound stage collapsed. I needed to flank the screen to get them spread out and the 3677 wouldn't fit. Now I get the sound i had in the front in the back row too as I'm spread 45-50 degrees now in the back row.

All of those speakers are awesome. There are some differences between them but at that level your counting hairs as to which is better and I'd say real performance comes down to setup and room acoustics.

JBL vs QSC .. Anyone that's been to film tech has noticed QSC is king. The do however like JBL especially the 4722 of course some JBLs they dislike.. heck many don't like the 3677. The 4722s rival is of course the 2150. both are designed for rooms that are not Home theater size. The 2150 wave guide is very similar to what's used in the Titan so take that for what you will. Heck all of these are designed for screening rooms and larger.

These QSC speakers were designed by Paul Hales. You may have seen him on Home Theater Geeks episodes talking about room acoustics etc. He now has left QSC and started this company. http://proaudiotechnology.com/

JBL and QSC both know how to design good speakers.

Now on to personal tests. Love 3677, i've also owned the 8330a, 8340a and both are boat anchors and IMO the volt 10lx and so many other speaker are much cleaner and not harsh like the JBL pro surrounds I've owned. I've also talked to a few 8350 owners who weren't satisfied but know some that do like them. It's personal taste.

4722... I have heard some like the 3677 better some the 4722 better, but these are never in the same room so it's hard to make a decision based on that. I've heard some say they are the smoothest ever then next they're swapping the CD to make it smoother and later say it was a tad harsh. A good buddy had modded 4722s (Be mod) and installed his friends 3677s. He liked the 3677s better. That got him looking to change and after lots of research into off axis response and the new JBL M2 waveguide technology now has JBL 708s. He feels they have better detail and are smoother than the modded 4722s and believe it or not no mid bass was lost and they sound every bit as huge. His room is treated including some combo panels so he has the perfect space to use awesome off axis. Again, these are opinions so take them for what you will. I also sold 2 2150s to a guy with 3678s. He felt the 2150s were far superior. Again his opinion but remember price doesn't guarantee performance.

IMO they are all good if they meet your needs and can be integrated into your room in a way that uses their strong points.

Now my opinion on selecting speakers.. not that it matters..

If you want the best without spending a crazy amount. JBL 708. The technology in the new waveguide is pretty awesome and the waveguide hold several patents. That and a properly setup room will be hard to beat. Along with the use of good reflections adding to the sound power you'll be able to hit clean reference in a good size HT. Of course they won't go much beyond that like some of these other options so it depends on goals.

If budget and/or DIY is your thing HTM-12 , Titans (2150 guide) etc would be my pick. Great responses with great off axis. I'd personally pick this option over everything but maybe the 708s if I wasn't too cheap. I mean the Titan has many similarities to the 2150 and it's a great price and the htm-12 I own and I have zero regrets as I can find not one flaw.

Once thing I'll add is Huge size Doesn't = Huge sound. I used to get excited about huge drivers and think they were untouchable. In subs I'm still all about that. Loudspeakers where I cross to subs not so much. stick a 2150 or 4722 next to a 708 or htm 12 and your eyes will say the little guys don't stand a chance. That's not the way it works. Mfusick snuck a 305 (cheap but very well designed JBL with a 5" driver with an M2 style waveguide) in a GTG against JTR and many other heavy hitters and guys were blindly picky them as favorites.. not in an SPL contest of course but they sounded huge and detailed. Take the 2150.. everything above 500hz is handled by an area that's not that large... not that small either but without those dual 15s would lose some of that eye candy WOW factor. As for mid bass dynamics.. handle SBIR and floor/ ceiling bounce and any well designed sensitive speaker will keep up above 80hz to at reference levels. Bottom line, Physically bigger does not mean sounds bigger. Well designed with great on and off axis (off axis is the key to huge sound), good sensitivity so you have the dynamics mixed with good size woofers to keep up with the subs is the key in my book.. and proper room treatments to control the reflections (not all absorption ).

Someone asked why the Cinema speakers are crossed so low. It's because the 12s and 15s can only play so high until the begin to beam. That happens when the wavelength is the size of the driver. This is why you don't see large woofers crossed very high. It's not a cinema thing but a speaker thing.
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wow, that was very interesting and eh.. mature, very interesting.
It's a pity the 708i needs a JBL amp which makes them quite expensive. I read a lot about it on the M2 thread.

I was surprised seeing you going to htm-12s though I heard good reviews. Living in Europe, I have no access to these DIY speakers, it's simply too expensive to import them.
I am thinking though to make DIY subwoofers because good commercial ones are very expensives here, and it must be fun to do. I currently have 2 Klipsch r-115sw but want to make some 18" quality ones. I see that you have made DIY SI HT18's. Unfortunately I cannot find in Europe drivers that go see deep as those. I looked at B&C but they don't go so deep

One last question: did you choose the Volts because they are coaxial only? Besides SPL and <80hz behavior would the HTM-12's sound better? Or you chose them for wider dispersion / alignment? In a few months I want to go Atmos and still didn't made up my mind which kind of speakers....
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Yeah 708s aren't cheap. With some searching you can usually find the 708p version for $1500 or so which isn't horrible considering performance and they are active.

As for volts...I demo all my surrounds as mains first. I'm really picky. I demoed the volt 10 and then the volt 10lx for a few months each in two channel in my living room. They are better than many mains I've owned. Fantastic bargain. Is the htm 12 better? yes. It has better control of the dispersion vs the cone of a woofer being used as a guide. An immense amount of work into designing the SOES waveguide so we can have great off axis that's worthy of using and gives an awesome spacious sound with proper treatments vs many speakers that have bad off axis that would be better destroyed as keeping it doesn't sound good because the off axis is too different compared to the on axis. This isn't a knock on the volts at all just a huge plus of the HTM and all SOES speakers. Like I said the volts beat many mains I've had/have including some Paradigm focus bookshelves that sat collecting dust while I tested these.

I chose volts for surrounds, rears, atmos because of they're fantastic and the best speaker I've ever placed in surround duty and having a 360 degree dispersion they're great for mulit row atmos and also surrounds and atmos.

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And your DIY subwoofer experience? i was looking at QSC SB-7218, but for 1/4 of the price I can buy the drivers. Makes it tempting for DIY. I'm surprised subwoofers which get good reviews have cheap drivers....makes me wonder if it's worth it to buy expensive ones.

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MASTERMAYBE uses QSC SC-1120 for mains and he loves them. Also it's nice to see cdy2179 back in another QSC vs. JBL thread. Just like old times. Complete with time honored Filmtech Forum QSC reference.
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The prequels:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...sc-2150-a.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2589705-cinema-qsc-vs-jbl.html

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f1/t011808.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2917784-qsc-vs-qsc-vs-jbl.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1589698-qsc-sc-1120-vs-jbl-3677-a.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1194394-pro-cinema-speakers-jbl3622n-vs-qsc-sc-2150-a.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2168289-help-procinema-gurus.html

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Lumenslover, https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...bl-3677-a.html
was a new link I hadn't found, thanks!

You don't have a link in your pocket for comparison between JBL 708i and QSC? I've read the M2 threads where everybody is praising the 708's.
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And your DIY subwoofer experience? i was looking at QSC SB-7218, but for 1/4 of the price I can buy the drivers. Makes it tempting for DIY. I'm surprised subwoofers which get good reviews have cheap drivers....makes me wonder if it's worth it to buy expensive ones.
I've been Diying subs for 17 years so only my own designed and built subs for me. In the HT I have 4 SI HT18s D4 in 12 cube 17hz tuned boxes. The pro subs are good but don't extend low enough for HT in my opinion but that's just me. They be lots of fun even though they don't go low.
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I've been Diying subs for 17 years so only my own designed and built subs for me. In the HT I have 4 SI HT18s D4 in 12 cube 17hz tuned boxes. The pro subs are good but don't extend low enough for HT in my opinion but that's just me. They be lots of fun even though they don't go low.
I'm now also convinced I must DIY them. 17 years... you must have made a LOT What amps do you use to drive them?
as you can see here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...l#post55082196
I am about to order 2x B&C 21DS115's. I think it's overkill but I want to avoid me longing for better in 6 months. In worst case I just add something.

What do you think about combining the [email protected]'s with my 2 existing Klipsch R-SW115's (via minidsp), is it better to use only 2 excellent subs instead of 2 excellent + 2 'average'ones?
They could help smooth out bass response over the seats, but I wouldn't like to decrease sound quality by adding the Klipsches.
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QSC surrounds arrived finally. Placed them on top of my LCR's and doing Auddissey for a quick listen. Maybe one day good solution for a cheap LCR system.
Don't like the screws on the front - buy ok, this is not home hifi.
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ok listened to some stuff, it's like expected, very similar to the 1150's, didn't do a professional comparison but at least I think I could live with them being LCR, but we men like big speakers, don't we?

tomorrow I'll have time to hang them on the wall.
I'm still using my hifi Canton speakers for back surround, I can't replace them by QSC surrounds as the back wall is glass, they have to be either on the ground (too big) or on a stand - not suitable for the QSC surrounds (they're no standers).

As for Atmos next year I really want something smaller. This is my living room, and those QSC surrounds are too intimidating for the ceiling
I'd buy Volt from DIYgroup but I'm located in Europe, makes it not interesting. Maybe JBL Contractor series if I find them for a good price.

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JBL sounds better, no doubt. Of all the theaters in Chicago, I'd rank the sound as follows:

1.) Danley
2.) JBL
3.) Electro Voice
4.) QSC
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JBL sounds better, no doubt. Of all the theaters in Chicago, I'd rank the sound as follows:

1.) Danley
2.) JBL
3.) Electro Voice
4.) QSC
Aha, interesting, where did you get that info? Electro Voice for cinema?
I think they're all very close, I couldn't compare them myself, but saw lots of posts where JBL and QSC are seen in the same ballpark. Only on the FimTech forum most pros prefer QSC.
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Aha, interesting, where did you get that info? Electro Voice for cinema?
I think they're all very close, I couldn't compare them myself, but saw lots of posts where JBL and QSC are seen in the same ballpark. Only on the FimTech forum most pros prefer QSC.
I'm a huge movie fan. I visit a lot of theaters in Chicagoland. This is how I personally rank the brands. And yes, we have many cinema theaters with Electro Voice speaker set-ups.
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I've often wondered why no love for these
https://www.qsc.com/cinema/products/...onitor-system/
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I've often wondered why no love for these
https://www.qsc.com/cinema/products/...onitor-system/
Those are very nice speakers. However most consumers are not going to want to deal with the complexity of tri-amp speakers.

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I've often wondered why no love for these
https://www.qsc.com/cinema/products/...onitor-system/
Did you hear them? Makes me think about JBL 708p.
Probably expensive system
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I run all QSC Cinema's line in my theater. DCS 423h (tri amp) for mains, SB 7218 (dual 18's) for the lfe, SR-8101's for the surrounds. Couldn't be happier
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I agree QSC makes fantastic speakers, I have now the SR-1020 surrounds to be combined with my 1150’s

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I'd love it if it's not for the Q-SYS Core requirement (and multi-amp).
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JBL sounds better, no doubt. Of all the theaters in Chicago, I'd rank the sound as follows:

1.) Danley
2.) JBL
3.) Electro Voice
4.) QSC
Hi NagysAudio! I live in Chicago and would LOVE to what the equipment list is for the local theaters. Do you have a list? Feel free to DM me if you'd like.

I've called the Goodrich Theatres Kendall 11 GDX complex in Oswego (way western suburbs) to find out what speakers that have in their smaller theaters. They're the first QSC Certified Theatre in North America (woo hoo). Hopefully they have a small screen with the SC-1120s or SC-1150s where I can audition . . .

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One more from Europe...

I have the SC-2150’s. Was also interested in JBL from the beginning, but when living in Sweden, it was cheaper and easier to go with the QSC, that i bought from UK. I had JTR 228, the old ones as former speakers, so my comparison is between these two. JTR had a really nice, somewhat harder sound than QSC, stronger midbass from QSC..? I’ve tried in a middleperiod some expensive Dynaudio’s, but that was according to my ears, wasted money.

I have not a dedicated room as you guys, just a simple 2.2 configuration in a ordinary living room, 5*11 meters.
I have two 21” diy subs, with eighteensound speakers, powering them from a Inuke 6000 DSP. Of course all of this is overkill, but who doesnt like overkill......

Upgrading is ALWAYS on my mind, but its hard to find something in this price legue to beat these QSC.
Even my wife, after listen and loving the sound of these, won’t let med change speakers.
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I have the SC-2150’s. Was also interested in JBL from the beginning, but when living in Sweden, it was cheaper and easier to go with the QSC, that i bought from UK. I had JTR 228, the old ones as former speakers, so my comparison is between these two. JTR had a really nice, somewhat harder sound than QSC, stronger midbass from QSC..? I’ve tried in a middleperiod some expensive Dynaudio’s, but that was according to my ears, wasted money.

I have not a dedicated room as you guys, just a simple 2.2 configuration in a ordinary living room, 5*11 meters.
I have two 21” diy subs, with eighteensound speakers, powering them from a Inuke 6000 DSP. Of course all of this is overkill, but who doesnt like overkill......

Upgrading is ALWAYS on my mind, but its hard to find something in this price legue to beat these QSC.
Even my wife, after listen and loving the sound of these, won’t let med change speakers.
I also have the 2150s and love them. I have been looking at higher offerings from qsc but quad amping could get expensive fast

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I have the SC-2150’s. JTR had a really nice, somewhat harder sound than QSC, stronger midbass from QSC..?

Are the the 2150s in a baffle wall? If not that's why they lack midbass. They are designed with no BSC so they are intended to be installed in a baffle wall and once you do that..., they are midbass beasts so much so it's hard to put into words. They will literally shake the walls with ease and when run full range you'll question if you even need subs. Out of a wall they sound thin and kinda suck but they aren't intended to be used like that.


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Are the the 2150s in a baffle wall? If not that's why they lack midbass. They are designed with no BSC so they are intended to be installed in a baffle wall and once you do that..., they are midbass beasts so much so it's hard to put into words. They will literally shake the walls with ease and when run full range you'll question if you even need subs. Out of a wall they sound thin and kinda suck but they aren't intended to be used like that.


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I definitely can vouch for this it was night and day when I installed them in the baffle wall. Like cdy2179 said they will literally shake the house in full range

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I've used the QSC KW122 speakers as my front three for the past 4 years now. I use QSC K8 speakers as surrounds and will be installing another set of K8's as rear speakers this spring (gotta wait for winter to end so that the attic isn't so cold) been staring/drooling at the new K8's sitting in the basement waiting to be installed.
I wanted to use active speakers all around otherwise I would have gone with the QSC cinema speakers. I liked what QSC is doing with the DSP baked into their active speakers.
I think there are a lot more people using QSC than we know. I look forward to your updates!
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MASTERMAYBE uses QSC SC-1120 for mains and he loves them. Also it's nice to see cdy2179 back in another QSC vs. JBL thread. Just like old times. Complete with time honored Filmtech Forum QSC reference.

Thought I'd add to this...yep still in love with them. Honestly, I doubt I'll change, like, barring a house-fire, literally. I'm considering a new sub project, but that's really out of sheer boredom than anything anything else. I have heard JBL offerings, not side-by-side, but they were excellent as well. I run mine off QSC DPA amplifiers- they have built-in EQ for a multitude of specific models- I then just run Audyssey XT32 and I think the results are superb.

https://www.qsc.com/cinema/products/...rs/dpa-series/


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WAY late to this game, here, but in the event that anyone else is considering the 1120's, I can attest that they are fantastic. I used them with SR-8200's for the overheads, surrounds and rears in an 11.2 ATMOS array and I'm happier than I've ever been with my sound.

The deflected baffles of the 8200s make them very versatile for set-up:










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