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A common mistake people make with the Kef Q series is the forget to remove the inserts between the grill and the drivers. Leaving them in can negatively affect the sound.

Just a heads up those who thinking about or have recently bought Q100's.
Hah, I didn't even know they were there.

So they sounded good to me with the inserts... I expect they'll be even better without.
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Oh, forgot to ask, do you bi-wire your kefs? Which wiring should I be using, top or bottom?
Everything leads to the passive crossover -- nothing changes the passive crossover -- And why a company would put a bi-wire option on 1st order crossover amazes me to begin with. It does not matter if you use the top or bottom hook-up. Plus if you desire, you can hook the positive to the top and the negative to the bottom. The speaker still makes sound. However, watch out for those who say hooking them up to the top sounds better, they may have been drinking too much kool-aid.
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I'd say try a set at BB while they still are on sale.
Whelp, I've done exactly that...the Q100s are on their way!

Have to commend Best Buy for their online chat based price match service, it was so quick and painless. Now I will feel a few pangs of guilt if I do return them, lol.

I will be curious to see how they compare to the LS50s which I heard over a year ago and liked, but not enough to pay $1400/pair for. I was reading somewhere that they have almost the same drivers, just the LS50 has a better cabinet, rear porting instead of front, and possibly better crossover.
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why a company would put a bi-wire option on 1st order crossover amazes me to begin with.
Purely for brand image and marketing/pricing purposes I'm sure...the average person sees 2 sets of binding posts and immediately interprets it as "audiophile" cred, when in fact it probably adds maybe $2-3 to the total production cost.
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B&W does the same thing with their "entry-level" 600 series speakers, also utilizing 1st order crossovers.

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Whelp, I've done exactly that...the Q100s are on their way!

Have to commend Best Buy for their online chat based price match service, it was so quick and painless. Now I will feel a few pangs of guilt if I do return them, lol.

I will be curious to see how they compare to the LS50s which I heard over a year ago and liked, but not enough to pay $1400/pair for. I was reading somewhere that they have almost the same drivers, just the LS50 has a better cabinet, rear porting instead of front, and possibly better crossover.
i kinda doubt your going to feel the urge to return once your ears are broken in... maybe set the treble down a bit and adjust up as you get used to them

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i kinda doubt your going to feel the urge to return once your ears are broken in... maybe set the treble down a bit and adjust up as you get used to them
we shall see, we shall see...
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we shall see, we shall see...
I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on these and how they measure up to the 10.1's.
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we shall see, we shall see...

I didn't find them bright. Detailed, but neutral. You should notice more midrange detail with the Q100's compared to the 10.1's. Background instruments will be more noticeable. More transparent too. The tweeter on the 10.1's is smoother though.


I have a pair on eBay that will sell cheap. One is mint the other is damaged. The one my friend knocked off my surround wall mount. In case you end up wanting one as a center. Not sure if we're allowed to mention such things here.
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I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on these and how they measure up to the 10.1's.
me too.. we can compare notes

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FYI, A4L has five Q100s for $1000.

The kicker is they toss in a 200 watt 8" subwoofer that you can likely sell for $100 or so if you don't have a use for it.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...e/1.html#!more

A4L sells the sub separately for a ridiculous $350, (msrp is a stunning $999).

Amp is 200watt rms/400wat peak with a reasonable claim of extension down to 29hz.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...specifications

Reviews of the sub say it is decent for a tiny sub...but that the -3db is a rather woeful 41hz.

Might be a decent little sub for a 2.1 music system.

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FYI, A4L has five Q100s for $1000.

The kicker is they toss in a 200 watt 8" subwoofer that you can likely sell for $100 or so if you don't have a use for it.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...e/1.html#!more
I think getting 3 pairs of the Q100 from Amazon or BB at $229/pair plus $200 for the Emotiva S8 which apparently really does roll off at 28Hz, would be a better idea for $900.
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I think getting 3 pairs of the Q100 from Amazon or BB at $229/pair plus $200 for the Emotiva S8 which apparently really does roll off at 28Hz, would be a better idea for $900.
Yes it would. $886 with the BasX S8 at current Q100 pricing on Amazon.

Something to keep in mind if that offer suddenly disappears though.
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I finally was able to open mine last night and got a little bit of listening in to compare to the R5bis. The mids are definitely more forward. Voices especially seem to feel more like they are right in front of me whereas the Emps seem more recessed. Obviously I need a lot more time with them to truly compare and find more subtle differences, but that is something I noticed immediately.

I have also not yet run the room correction, so there is a long way to go on this. I'll try to remember to post more as I go.
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Whelp, I've done exactly that...the Q100s are on their way!

Have to commend Best Buy for their online chat based price match service, it was so quick and painless. Now I will feel a few pangs of guilt if I do return them, lol.

I will be curious to see how they compare to the LS50s which I heard over a year ago and liked, but not enough to pay $1400/pair for. I was reading somewhere that they have almost the same drivers, just the LS50 has a better cabinet, rear porting instead of front, and possibly better crossover.

Did you buy just one pair? If you like them enough to keep and are interested in a 3rd one for a center channel, let me know. As long as I am keeping mine (which I am leaning towards doing so far), then I would certainly be open to selling my extra.
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Did you buy just one pair? If you like them enough to keep and are interested in a 3rd one for a center channel, let me know. As long as I am keeping mine (which I am leaning towards doing so far), then I would certainly be open to selling my extra.
You can always get another pair of Q100's and run a 3.0/3.1 setup in the bedroom.

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You can always get another pair of Q100's and run a 3.0/3.1 setup in the bedroom.
Oh I would like that, but the wife would probably kill me. There is the upstairs living room that is running the old infinity p363 towers I guess, but i could always put the Emps there too. Decisions decisions.

I will say the more I listen to these Kefs, the more I am liking them. They are more in your face than the r5bi’s, but in a good way for me. One of the things I did not like about the Emps was that they sounded a bit too laid back (hope that’s the right terminology) to me.

I really should hook the Emps back up though to get a better comparison. Pretty sure I did not have them originally setup with the multipoint YPAO but instead a single point. When first running YPAO on the kefs, I noticed that the bass was quite lacking, but soon noticed the yamaha had set them to large, and therefore my sub was not even turning on! The bass wasn’t THAT bad considering. So in the end the kefs do have noticeably better bass, especially in the midbass.
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Whelp, I've done exactly that...the Q100s are on their way!

Have to commend Best Buy for their online chat based price match service, it was so quick and painless. Now I will feel a few pangs of guilt if I do return them, lol.

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@Zorba922 I am very interested to hear your thoughts on these speakers. Have you had enough time to comment yet?
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@Zorba922 I am very interested to hear your thoughts on these speakers. Have you had enough time to comment yet?
No, have been out of town for the past week, so I will be picking them up tomorrow. Maybe this coming weekend, will post a review.

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