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Bearing in mind that speaker preference is all a matter of taste I can tell you that the original L100s (sold in the UK as Century L100s) was a very colored, boom-and-tizz speaker. It was actually well-suited to rock music because it was like the bass and treble knobs on your amp were already turned up! On the other hand, if you wanted to hear natural sounding voices or acoustic instruments, the L100s were pretty dreadful.
Figure 18.5(b) in my new book shows the modern spinorama measurements on the JBL 4310/L100. It was a loudspeaker with reasonable overall spectral balance, but an abundance of mid and high frequency resonances. It was "colorful". The neutrality that we can easily find nowadays was not common back then. It was "of a time", to be remembered for better or worse, but not to be repeated. The new version undoubtedly is a more modern, neutral sounding loudspeaker, but it remains to be seen whether the visual nostalgia is enough to drive sales.
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The more sad for me is I see JBL (at least their consumer line of speakers) as a company resting in their laurels. L100 century is just as hipster as 2018 hipster is. We look at the fifties, sixties or seventies with nostalgia, so JBL brings the L100 to us. Have Samsung-Harman the most big and advanced anechoic chamber and audio lab in Valencia (Ca) for that??

Maybe -as some wrote before- connected cars and every gadget this micro-world carries with it, is the future for Harman.... so, we must be prepared to dust our shelves off in order to put our JBL speakers as collector objects.

I like the Synthesis approach (assuming the pro series knowledge and take advantage of it), but I don't understand why not to do the same with the consumer series in small scale. Why every new serie is so different from the last one? Any other speaker brand works like this.

I'm owner of a pair of JBL 1400 Array (Synthesis luxury series). I can't get a new woofer (one of mine scratches) because these drivers are not available anymore. Not possible to have so many spare parts from so many models at JBL. Excuse me????

I Like this L100 speaker as a fun/nostalgic object.. but i would prefer much better to see an in-a-box version of a SCL-2 speaker for example.
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It all depends on the market

The "audio fad" was a long one stretching from 1965 to 1990 when the bottom fell out. The boomer kids started it, innovation with portable systems as tube switched to transistor helped in the 1970's. In 1979 the Sony Walkman rolled out to huge success with a quick follow up by CDs and car audio in the 1980's keeping the run going. The world economy took a dip in 1990, the boomer kids were having kids and music sales, audio gear sales and all that went with it peaked then fell. Once the economy picked up, computers were the rage followed by cell phones, smart phones and so on. Easy to compete in the 60's/70's for disposable income when you had a TV and your stereo--it became harder with VCRs and bigger TVs in the 80's. By the 90's, the computer came first, then TV, VCR/DVD player and cell phone...audio got the crumbs.

The transistor, the chip and digital drove the boom for 25 years. Any innovation in audio basically came from the movie companies (Dolby/THX/surround) and the telecom industry (MP3, streaming etc.) The audio companies went from innovators to adding features other industries created. This is normal in a mature industry, if you want to look at audio innovation, don't look at the consumer side! The pro side has done line array tech, subwoofer tech, monster amps, digital everything and so on. There is a demand for relentless innovation on the pro side because that industry demands it. Car audio sound quality and features have really taken off since 1990 so we have that.

The good thing about nostalgia products is it revisits older designs that work properly. The L100 and Klipsch Forte' III come to mind. The generation of 20 somethings grew up on little bitty speakers with little subs as the Bose AM-5 took over in the late 80's. They are learning why such "monsters" existed and learning how they work. All the marketing for the past 30 years has been smaller is better, smaller is "new" and so on... the big dogs with large horns, big woofers and very large cabinets were considered obsolete. Well, physics don't go obsolete so even though the big dogs cost a fortune, if there is a market for something larger than a coffee can--it will be filled.

I'm sure the new JBL L100 will sound much better than the old one... Samsung blew 8 Billion bucks buying out Harmon, they like JBL and want to build the brand. Could this be the first fruit of their union? Measurements will tell... throw us some spinorama action! Now that would be a good comparison, the Klipsch Forte' III VS the JBL L100--bring it on!

Sure beats the skinny tower, little box speaker stuff of the past 20 years... never know, it might be really good. It could open the floodgates for speakers that are as big as they need to be to get optimum performance (it could happen!) At least it don't have that horrid piano black shiny finish that reflects light like a mirror to annoy the heck out of you when watching a movie. A return to performance over style? Why not?

Time for AVS to get out the measuring gear... although a curiosity for me as I have no use for it, the thing might kick some serious butt...or not.
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I'd say these speakers will exist in 2 or 3 shops nationwide and would venture to say theyll be 2700-3000 dollars in those stores.

JBL certainly influenced the 2 channel and HiFi we all enjoy today.

As far as Harmans direction - Seems there are those sound engineers/speaker designers that prefer to make a speaker sound great (Greg Timbers).. and then there are the computer readout flat response across the board types (Revel.. yawn).

Timbers did the JBL name a gigantic service creating the synthesis line. I realize we could debate that all day, but I will always enjoy Timbers designed speakers regardless of how natural they sound. They make me smile and love lots and lots power!

Its a shame Timbers and the remaining Harman design team didn't get along, but such is life and sh*t happens. I'm pleased I've acquired 2 of his best designs which will undoubtedly supply endless enjoyment and smiles for the entirety of my life.
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When I represented the Harman group, they admitted the only division that made money was OEM car audio. I've since lost touch with their management but have no reason to believe that's changed since we hardly see their products in mainstream retailers, other than Bluetooth speakers. I can't remember the last time I saw Harmon Kardon receiver! Revel has enjoyed some modest success but no one would argue that JBL is the force it was in the 60s and early 70s. You're very perceptive. I'm nonetheless certain the Pro division is gigantic and successful. Now that Samsung owns the Harman group, we can only speculate about their future.

Regarding the kind words regarding the tube-type amplifiers Bob Carver and I manufacture, and yes, they are highly regarded, winning two product of the year awards from absolute sound, personally, I've never heard a horn system sound good-- really good-- except in theater applications irrespective of the amplifiers used. I'm sure they exist; I just never get to hear them. I exhibit at nearly every show in the United States, and occasionally overseas, so I've probably heard more brands of high end and unusual loudspeakers than many. There are horns at every show. They usually sound terrible.

By the way, I've owned Altec Voice of the Theaters (the big ones--A7-500s), to big JBL's (their biggest and most expensive) and I even currently consult for a manufacture of hundred thousand dollar horn systems; the Altec's ironically, sounded the best but none of these products approached accuracy and neutrality-- fun yes, refined? Nope. The big JBL's, in particular, broke my heart sounding like public address loudspeakers in spectacular cabinetry-- custom-built for me by JBL's cabinet shop when they made the best in the world. After suffering through a decade of ownership, constantly kicking myself, I was approached by MXR to evaluate the first consumer third octave equalizer. It took some doing with the instrumentation at my disposal but when finished, they sounded like a giant set of Dahlquists but with killer impact on low frequencies. Without the equalizer, the pain returned. I sold them at a premium, set up a giant Quad Electrostatic system, and found out what I was missing (the original Quads, of course). Later, as I traveled the country for Onkyo, I met many designers, especially later when I went off on my own. Guess what: the common thread among my favorite designers, is they all owned Quad electrostatic loudspeakers. Too bad they all broke so easily. I'll never sell mine but I never play them. Fortunately, I have an alternative.

In any case, I do believe this thread is being derailed by our digression. I hope you guys enjoy my stories.

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I'd say these speakers will exist in 2 or 3 shops nationwide and would venture to say theyll be 2700-3000 dollars in those stores.

JBL certainly influenced the 2 channel and HiFi we all enjoy today.

As far as Harmans direction - Seems there are those sound engineers/speaker designers that prefer to make a speaker sound great (Greg Timbers).. and then there are the computer readout flat response across the board types (Revel.. yawn).

Timbers did the JBL name a gigantic service creating the synthesis line. I realize we could debate that all day, but I will always enjoy Timbers designed speakers regardless of how natural they sound. They make me smile and love lots and lots power!

Its a shame Timbers and the remaining Harman design team didn't get along, but such is life and sh*t happens. I'm pleased I've acquired 2 of his best designs which will undoubtedly supply endless enjoyment and smiles for the entirety of my life.

It still would be fun if I had unlimited funds to play would be a completely restored Marantz 2270 and a pair of L100s, just like I originally had, although IIRC, mine were dark brown grill foams, not the black blue or orange. Maybe I'm misremembering.
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Good, Steve confirms the dark brown grills available originally. Maybe I'm not losing my mind quite yet.
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Good, Steve confirms the dark brown grills available originally. Maybe I'm not losing my mind quite yet.
Should be interesting to compare Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd originals VS updated version. Think of all the advances in the past 48 years, from at least the tweeters moving from paper cone tweeters to Ti dome tweeters, upgraded crossover parts and more accurate testing/calibration when the speakers are made.

Then throw in that Led Zeppelin remastered and cleaned up their early works AND figured out how to put the bass response that was filtered out on the originals so the kids record players won't skip.

Lastly, and it could be the most important factor--the stuff that was illegal and low grade at the time has been replaced by high grade Kush that is tested/certified and sold legally. Better speakers, better source and better weed--how can you lose?

Could it be that JBL is targeting all those legal herbal shops springing up in the past few years? They might have stumbled onto something big--herbally enhanced surround was the original surround.
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Should be interesting to compare Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd originals VS updated version. Think of all the advances in the past 48 years, from at least the tweeters moving from paper cone tweeters to Ti dome tweeters, upgraded crossover parts and more accurate testing/calibration when the speakers are made.

Then throw in that Led Zeppelin remastered and cleaned up their early works AND figured out how to put the bass response that was filtered out on the originals so the kids record players won't skip.

Lastly, and it could be the most important factor--the stuff that was illegal and low grade at the time has been replaced by high grade Kush that is tested/certified and sold legally. Better speakers, better source and better weed--how can you lose?

Could it be that JBL is targeting all those legal herbal shops springing up in the past few years? They might have stumbled onto something big--herbally enhanced surround was the original surround.
There was no bass filter. Simply put, if they extended lows further, they give up sensitivity. In the showroom, this is suicide. Louder speakers sell better. Guess what: they were right!
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The new version undoubtedly is a more modern, neutral sounding loudspeaker, but it remains to be seen whether the visual nostalgia is enough to drive sales.

During the Clinton administration AR tried the same basic concept. Ken Kantor designed a line that looked like the old ARs and had similar driver complements but contemporary crossover design.

I seem to recall those being offloaded to online clearance sites as the internet developed. Maybe boomers are older now, and hipsters more into the retro look.

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I normally don't care about aesthetics however those speakers look like two giant Rubik's cubes on stands. Hideous.
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I liked the grills for some reason, I wonder why??


Planning on buying another one, probably yellow, next year.

But as speakers, I presonally hated them. I sold a lot of them, I could get them cheap. I had a pair in my bedroom/showroom for about 2 years and I couldn't ignore the huffing port and BOOM. of them. I would play other speakers that were cheaper, and I thought sounded better, and again and again, the L100's went out. I made 100% profit on them, so it wasn't so bad! I think the demos were the last speakers I sold as I was exiting the business. I even sold my Dynaco Quadaptor for $10 at the end. My mother picked me up at school one day after finding a 5 or 6 pairs of L100's in the walk in closet along with a couple of Dual 1229 turntables, Technics cassette decks, and a pile of HK 220B's and some other stuff. She had no idea I had sold all that much stuff. Somehow the kids coming to the house and blasting "Dark Side of the Moom" and walking out with boxes and stuff never caught her attention. I recently found out that a guy who was one of my last customers still had everything he bought from me in '73, except the L100's. He got tired of them and bought a pair of ADS speakers to replace them. I had the same speakers until the woofer surrounds rotted out in only a few short years.
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L100 Classic Review by Andrew Robinson

Saw this review by Andrew Robinson this morning:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jbl-sy...assic-reviewed

I love the trolling comments in response to the review and the trolling rebukes that go with them. I think Andrew's got it just right.
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Saw this review by Andrew Robinson this morning:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jbl-sy...assic-reviewed

I love the trolling comments in response to the review and the trolling rebukes that go with them. I think Andrew's got it just right.
Here's his video review on these speakers


Here's another good review too

https://7review.com/jbl-l100-classic-review/
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Here's his video review on these speakers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAQi_vPstg

Here's another good review too

https://7review.com/jbl-l100-classic-review/
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I think the JBL L100 Classic... "Clearly Sounds Better" compared to the JBL 4429 Horn speakers that Many are Raving About these days!

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I think the JBL L100 Classic... "Clearly Sounds Better" compared to the JBL 4429 Horn speakers that Many are Raving About these days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzQbK9gKjoI

At least they were going to great lengths to tame it with up on stands far out into the room with plenty of acoustical treatment, but still the characteristic JBL upper bass thickness. Honk honk.

I heard these last year, and yeah, better than the originals IIRC, but still JBL.
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I heard these back to back with the Revel F228Be at AXPONA this weekend and they were not even close to shamed. In fact, I cancelled a previous order of my m126Be so that I could buy the L100 Classic.
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I must have missed the question from the editor. I thought it was a semi review of a revamped JBL. What question were you referring to?
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I must have missed the question from the editor. I thought it was a semi review of a revamped JBL. What question were you referring to?
HA! you're right! I was browsing on my phone, and either came in somewhere late in the thread, or I'm just delusional

Maybe a different thread altogether. at any rate, mine is the comment out of place. I'll amend it in keeping with the thread.

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