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Polk Monitor70 Series II vs S50 vs RTiA7

I am looking to upgrade my current 3.1 setup to 5.1.2 setup in the coming months. The setup is in a 18 x 10 x 8 basement entertainment room with carpeted floors. My setup is used mainly for Music (75% Music, 25% Movies). My current setup is this:
  • Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
  • Center: Pioneer SP-C21
  • Subwoofer: BiC F12
  • Receiver: Onkyo TX-RZ720

I want to gradually upgrade the fronts, center and the sub but currently focusing on the fronts. I want to move to floor-standing speakers. The 3 Polks I listed were primarily influenced by them being mentioned a lot in these forums and them being within my budget (my budget is upto $600 for the pair). Currently these 3 are on sale at one or the other sites and can be had for ~$600. Which among these would you choose if you had to include them in a music inclined budget setup like mine?

Any other floor-standing speakers which are good for music and within my budget?

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RTi A7's, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Where can you get those for $400/pr???

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my budget is upto $600 for the pair.

Any other floor-standing speakers which are good for music and within my budget?
Absolutely.

First, go to BB and listen to the Polk speakers you listed.
Then go into the Magnolia section and listen to the B&W 600 series floorstanding speakers.

If you would rather have a speaker that sounds closer to the B&W vs the Polk, and within your budget.

Here it is:
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-each/1.html

Don't just take my word for it:
Catastrophic in a AVS Forum member who recently ordered the Canton bookshelf version (GLE 426)
of the floorstanding GLE 476.

Wait a week and see what he thinks about his purchase.
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

Catastrophic's thread is titled:
New here...advice for surround sound bookshelf and center speakers

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RTi A7's, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Where can you get those for $400/pr???
Oops, that was a typo! Meant to say $600 and typed $400. The RTi A7s are $300 each at most places.
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Absolutely.

First, go to BB and listen to the Polk speakers you listed.
Then go into the Magnolia section and listen to the B&W 600 series floorstanding speakers.

If you would rather have a speaker that sounds closer to the B&W vs the Polk, and within your budget.

Here it is:
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-each/1.html

Don't just take my word for it:
Catastrophic in a AVS Forum member who recently ordered the Canton bookshelf version (GLE 426)
of the floorstanding GLE 476.

Wait a week and see what he thinks about his purchase.
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

Catastrophic's thread is titled:
New here...advice for surround sound bookshelf and center speakers
Will head to Best Buy this weekend and demo them.
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I am looking to upgrade my current 3.1 setup to 5.1.2 setup in the coming months. The setup is in a 18 x 10 x 8 basement entertainment room with carpeted floors. My setup is used mainly for Music (75% Music, 25% Movies). My current setup is this:
  • Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
  • Center: Pioneer SP-C21
  • Subwoofer: BiC F12
  • Receiver: Onkyo TX-RZ720

I want to gradually upgrade the fronts, center and the sub but currently focusing on the fronts. I want to move to floor-standing speakers. The 3 Polks I listed were primarily influenced by them being mentioned a lot in these forums and them being within my budget (my budget is upto $600 for the pair). Currently these 3 are on sale at one or the other sites and can be had for ~$600. Which among these would you choose if you had to include them in a music inclined budget setup like mine?

Any other floor-standing speakers which are good for music and within my budget?
I would look into these:
https://www.qacoustics.com/floorstan...aker-pair.html
and
https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...ers-black-demo

Although if it were me, I'd simply get 3 high quality bookshelves across the front and upgrade the sub to something more musically competent. That F12 is ok for HT but I wouldn't use it for music listening.

The most glaring weak spot in your current setup is that Pioneer center, though...you could just upgrade the center and sub if you're happy with the Pioneer bookshelves during 2-channel music listening.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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I forgot to mention; under the description tab there are 2 links for you to research.
One is to Amazon Germany where you can read review from those who actually bought them,
and the other is to a Sound & Vision Magazine review.

Canton is made in Germany / Czech Republic and sold primarily in Europe.

Here are the 2 links:

https://translate.google.com/transla...70.2&sandbox=1

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iepue0y1E9c.97

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Onkyo TX-NR609 AV Receiver
Canton TBD (Center) Canton Chrono SL 596 DC (L & R)
JBL SP6CII (Frt Height & RR Surround)
Martin Logan Dynamo 1000
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I would go after the Canton 476 towers before they are gone --

however, your option, choice, and call

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I forgot to mention; under the description tab there are 2 links for you to research.
One is to Amazon Germany where you can read review from those who actually bought them,
and the other is to a Sound & Vision Magazine review.

Canton is made in Germany / Czech Republic and sold primarily in Europe.

Here are the 2 links:

https://translate.google.com/transla...70.2&sandbox=1

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iepue0y1E9c.97
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I would go after the Canton 476 towers before they are gone --

however, your option, choice, and call
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I would look into these:
https://www.qacoustics.com/floorstan...aker-pair.html
and
https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...ers-black-demo

Although if it were me, I'd simply get 3 high quality bookshelves across the front and upgrade the sub to something more musically competent. That F12 is ok for HT but I wouldn't use it for music listening.

The most glaring weak spot in your current setup is that Pioneer center, though...you could just upgrade the center and sub if you're happy with the Pioneer bookshelves during 2-channel music listening.
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You are right, the center channel is indeed the weakest link. I am going to upgrade that too along with the sub. Though I am happy with the Andrew Jones Pioneer Fronts for stereo music, they were purchased when my setup was in a small apartment. Now that I have this bigger entertainment room, my assumption was that having full fledged towers which would also be as musically oriented or better than the Pioneers would be a better fit in the room. Also the fact that those $149 Pioneers have served me really well for the last 6 years - I am ready to step up just a bit now.

Is my assumption about the step-up towers sounding better than the Pioneers a good one? (I suppose I will have to answer that myself once I demo them)

That Wharfedale Diamond 230 really looks interesting - I have always wanted to listen to a Wharfedale - Sound and Vision always seems impressed by them. They also have the Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 for $100 more. Any experience with that one?

@Boombox13 @zieglj01 I went through the Canton thread. They do look to be a good deal. Does accessories4less have a friendly return policy?

Thanks boombox13 for offering to demo your Canton system - I wish I was in your area.
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Not as friendly as some other places.

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Not as friendly as some other places.
Correct.....but the trade off is deeply discounted quality speakers, not retail.

Give and take.
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A4L is a reputable vendor, but Boombox13 is correct, they are not operating on Crutchfield margins, and have restocking fees.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...returns/1.html
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Correct.....but the trade off is deeply discounted quality speakers, not retail.

Give and take.
True -- and has been worth the risk for many

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@zorba
You are right, the center channel is indeed the weakest link. I am going to upgrade that too along with the sub. Though I am happy with the Andrew Jones Pioneer Fronts for stereo music, they were purchased when my setup was in a small apartment. Now that I have this bigger entertainment room, my assumption was that having full fledged towers which would also be as musically oriented or better than the Pioneers would be a better fit in the room. Also the fact that those $149 Pioneers have served me really well for the last 6 years - I am ready to step up just a bit now.

Is my assumption about the step-up towers sounding better than the Pioneers a good one? (I suppose I will have to answer that myself once I demo them)

That Wharfedale Diamond 230 really looks interesting - I have always wanted to listen to a Wharfedale - Sound and Vision always seems impressed by them. They also have the Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 for $100 more. Any experience with that one?
In a bigger room, assuming that you sit at the same distance from the front speakers as before, your much more pressing upgrade priority is the subwoofer not the mains.

As I understand it, the Wharfedales offer a similarly "warm" presentation as the Pioneer AJ speakers for music, but with higher quality tweeters/crossovers resulting in improved midrange clarity and a bit more treble extension.

However, if you have never heard a more "forward" kind of speaker like the KEF Q100 (currently being clearanced at the ridiculous $230/pair on Amazon, price-matcheable by Best Buy) which produce a much more detailed and dynamic presentation, you MIGHT have a come-to-Jesus moment with them. Or you might not, in which case the Wharfedales would prove to be much more up your alley. With music listening, a much higher level of subjective preference comes into play than with HT, in my opinion.

Here's my comparison of the KEFs vs Wharfedales:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...-question.html

The safest thing to do would be to go the Best Buy route on the KEFs and see how YOUR ears like them.

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@zorba
You are right, the center channel is indeed the weakest link. I am going to upgrade that too along with the sub. Though I am happy with the Andrew Jones Pioneer Fronts for stereo music, they were purchased when my setup was in a small apartment. Now that I have this bigger entertainment room, my assumption was that having full fledged towers which would also be as musically oriented or better than the Pioneers would be a better fit in the room. Also the fact that those $149 Pioneers have served me really well for the last 6 years - I am ready to step up just a bit now.
I'd start by upgrading the center and sub as they are the most important speakers for movies.

I'd buy a few centers from Best Buy, (free returns), and Crutchfield, ($10 returns), and test them at home until you settle on a winner.

A few to consider with inexpensive returns and under $300 each.

Klipsch RP250c
Elac UniFi UC5
Moitor Audio Bronze
Polk Signature S30
JBL Studio 235c, (JBL Direct has free returns)
Aperion 5C (free returns)
HTD Level Three (free returns)

For subs, any of these are upgrades from what you have now.

PORTED SUBWOOFERS $600 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

NOTE: IF LOOKING AT LARGER/MORE EXPENSIVE SUBWOOFERS ADD PSA TO THE LIST OF BRANDS

ALSO, IF YOU ARE NOT AN ACTION MOVIE FAN A SUBWOOFER WITH 22-30HZ EXTENSION WOULD BE FINE

Specs are from the manufacturer unless noted otherwise.

150watts =11w18h13d= 18 lbs 8" [28hz] $199 EMOTIVA BASX S8

200watts =14w16h16d= 34 lbs 10" [27hz] $299 EMOTIVA BASX S10

300watts =17w18h18d= 49 lbs 12" [22hz] $399 EMOTIVA BASX S12, (extension from Brent Butterworth measurement)

350watts =15w16h17d= 40 lbs 10" [30hz] $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)

200 watts =16w19h17d= 52 lbs 12" [22hz] $439 HTD LEVEL THREE

250watts =15w19h17d= 42 lbs 10" [22hz] $453 HSU VTF 1 MK3

400watts =17w21hx22d= 66 lbs 12" [19hz] $500 SVS PB12 NSD, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)
THE Amazon OFFER IS FOR A VERY LIMITED TIME ONLY

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

300watts =16w22h21d= 69 lbs* 12" [19hz] $549 RHYTHMIK LV12R

350watts =15w21h22d= 62 lbs 12" [18hz] $604 HSU VTF2 MK5, (verified by Audioholics review)

* = shipping weight

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

400watts =15w14hx14d= 35 lbs 12" [21hz] $400 SVS SB12 NSD, (extension from Audioholics Review)
THE Amazon OFFER IS FOR A VERY LIMITED TIME ONLY

300watts =14w14h16d= 58 lbs* 12" [18hz] $539 RHYTHMIK L12

500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)
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