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But it is a new and different tweeter is it not?
Yes, the tweeter has been re-engineered with a new magnet structure, coil and soft dome.

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My question for Andrew Jones (if he indeed comes and participates in this thread) is -- is there a significant change in the voicing of the tweeter/woofer balance? Frequent complaints of the original debuts were that the highs were a bit too recessed compared to the woofer's output, giving the speakers a distinctly 'dark' sound signature, i.e. proportionally a bit too much bass and not enough highs.


I don't necessarily agree with these complaints, but I'm curious if there has been a significant change in the voicing and/or balance between the woofer and tweeter or if it's about the same as the original debuts. Thanks.
One of my goals with the new versions was to address the issue of tweeter performance, both in terms of sound quality level but also in terms of sound balance w.r.t. the woofer. It can be argued that the tweeter level was a little subdued, particularly off axis due to the rather deep waveguide. Add to this listening with grille on, or if the speakers are not toed in, then it accounts for some listeners comments. So in the new version I have used a new dome/large roll surround diaphragm, enabling the tweeter to go both lower and higher in frequency. This neccessitated a new waveguide, so I took the opportunity to try and widen the directivity a little. I also looked at the balance to the woofer, and raised the HF level a touch. It doesn't make the speaker sound bright as such, but it does open up the sound.
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@AndrewJ : Despite a physically smaller footprint and cabinet, does the B5.2 have any sonic advantages over the B6.2?

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One of my goals with the new versions was to address the issue of tweeter performance, both in terms of sound quality level but also in terms of sound balance w.r.t. the woofer. It can be argued that the tweeter level was a little subdued, particularly off axis due to the rather deep waveguide. Add to this listening with grille on, or if the speakers are not toed in, then it accounts for some listeners comments. So in the new version I have used a new dome/large roll surround diaphragm, enabling the tweeter to go both lower and higher in frequency. This neccessitated a new waveguide, so I took the opportunity to try and widen the directivity a little. I also looked at the balance to the woofer, and raised the HF level a touch. It doesn't make the speaker sound bright as such, but it does open up the sound.

OK, that sounds good. Thanks for answering my question.
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Yes, the tweeter has been re-engineered with a new magnet structure, coil and soft dome.

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Thanks. I'll already have these before I see you at Axpona in April. This will now be five sets of your speakers! The current living room pair of B6s have been on for 12 hours today so far. Low level of course if I'm working, but this is what I mean by non-fatiguing.
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Thanks. I'll already have these before I see you at Axpona in April. This will now be five sets of your speakers! The current living room pair of B6s have been on for 12 hours today so far. Low level of course if I'm working, but this is what I mean by non-fatiguing.
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One of my goals with the new versions was to address the issue of tweeter performance, both in terms of sound quality level but also in terms of sound balance w.r.t. the woofer. It can be argued that the tweeter level was a little subdued, particularly off axis due to the rather deep waveguide. Add to this listening with grille on, or if the speakers are not toed in, then it accounts for some listeners comments. So in the new version I have used a new dome/large roll surround diaphragm, enabling the tweeter to go both lower and higher in frequency. This neccessitated a new waveguide, so I took the opportunity to try and widen the directivity a little. I also looked at the balance to the woofer, and raised the HF level a touch. It doesn't make the speaker sound bright as such, but it does open up the sound.
Acknowledging the difference in class, will the 2.0 models roughly approximate the brightness of the U-line speakers? I am preparing to deploy UB-5 in front and B6.2 in the rear with the UC-5 center. It would be ideal if the tweeters approximated each others' capabilities, brightness, and overall tonality. Your participation in the thread is greatly appreciated, as is your ability to make wonderful speakers.
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In about a week (Around March 15th) many the new Debut 2.0 speakers will be available at Magnolia Home Theater stores in Best Buy. They should be setup for auditioning and for purchase.

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Thanks for the response. I will visit my local Best Buy later this month and check out the v 2's.

How about the idea of using the on-walls in a 5.1 set-up? And, the performance of the B6 vs the on-walls as fronts?
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Is there a new 12" debut 2.0 sub coming as well? Referring to the sub on the bottom right in this pic:





As compared to the current S12EQ:

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The response accounting for wall loading is 4dB down at 70Hz. I designed it to be used as an onwall matched to a subwoofer. It's main purpose is as a surround speaker for home theater

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Thanks. That seems unusual for a speaker that size, even with wall loading, and speakers this size or even larger don't seem to measure that way.

The SP-BS22-LR (about twice the size of the new on-wall) measured as shown in the attached in Stereophile's 2013 review. The red line is the port, the blue line the 4" woofer.

BTW this discussion illustrates why I find the comments about placing smaller speakers against walls here so puzzling. For most of the HT applications being discussed, the bass reinforcement for a small speaker is not a problem, and is of less concern than other issues.
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The sub-$300 budget category might be the most competitive segment in the market. Incidentally, it's also my favorite segment because of the engineering challenges and the fact that there has been steady (if slow) progress over the decades. I'm happy with my >$1000 speakers, but I enjoy testing out the cheaper ones more. As an engineer myself, I can appreciate a good design, riddled with compromises.

I'm also kinda insane when it comes to finding the "perfect" budget models to recommend to friends and family (and those in this forum) who have no desire to drop 4 figures on good sound reproduction.
I also find this segment very interesting, because (1) it can get very good sound out to a lot of people and (2) it's roughly the point where you can demonstrate to most people the better sound quality. Or in other words, the point up to which where there's still a return for more investment for the broader market of people, those less focused on the fine points of audio quality and more interested in enjoying music and HT. So it's great to see speakers like these ELAC designs.

Though I'm thinking up to $300 a speaker as the point where return on additional investment gets low for most people, not $300 a pair, not sure about you. $300 a pair is an interesting category too, and can reach a lot of people if they know about how much they can get for that money.
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... so I took the opportunity to try and widen the directivity a little...
The original Debut speaker, with narrower directivity, may be a better fit as back-surround speakers in my somewhat unusual case. I have a long and narrow living room and was thinking that the narrow directivity (think a narrow flashligh beam) would cover the seating area nicely but not waste "superior sound" on the furniture and junk I'm storing in the rear half of the living room. If the original Debut go on closeout I'll have no choice but to buy a pair

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The original Debut speaker, with narrower directivity, may be a better fit as back-surround speakers in my somewhat unusual case. I have a long and narrow living room and was thinking that the narrow directivity (think a narrow flashligh beam) would cover the seating area nicely but not waste "superior sound" on the furniture and junk I'm storing in the rear half of the living room. If the original Debut go on closeout I'll have no choice but to buy a pair

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Thanks for the response. I will visit my local Best Buy later this month and check out the v 2's.

How about the idea of using the on-walls in a 5.1 set-up? And, the performance of the B6 vs the on-walls as fronts?
Hi,

Spoke with Andrew regarding using 5 of the on-wall speakers with a sub and he says it should work quite well.

We are going to give it a try tomorrow.

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Is there a new 12" debut 2.0 sub coming as well? Referring to the sub on the bottom right in this pic:





As compared to the current S12EQ:
Yep. There will be.. Just a little behind...

Should be available in the next couple of months...

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Is Magnolia going to carry the Adantes? I've been wanting to check those out.
Not at the moment. Just the Debut 2.0 models.

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Yep. There will be.. Just a little behind...

Should be available in the next couple of months...

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Damn. Can't wait that long, already held off ordering Debut 1.0s for the 2.0s; no way can I stand 2 month delay on a sub (or two).

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I think that it's great that Andrew and Chris are answering some questions. It really shows that they care about there customers and that they stand behind their products.

I think the best part is that Andrew made the best speaker that he could (with the budget) and for Version 2 it seems like he is just changing things based on customer feedback. This is a great way to do things at this price point.
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Welp, looks like I'm gonna have to sell my barely used speakers and amp (which, I'm not gonna lie, are disappointing) to get something that I hopefully will want to listen to as much as my headphones.

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Spoke with Andrew regarding using 5 of the on-wall speakers with a sub and he says it should work quite well.
We are going to give it a try tomorrow.

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Thanks. I look forward to the results of your listening test.
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Here's the B6.2 review from CNET!

https://www.cnet.com/products/elac-d...0-b6-2/review/
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Saw that .I have the B6 originals I am satisfied with.

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Here's the B6.2 review from CNET!
https://www.cnet.com/products/elac-d...0-b6-2/review/

Saw that .I have the B6 originals I am satisfied with.

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Already out of stock on Amazon lol

Yippee-ki-yay...
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I wish they would make bipole speakers, I like my surrounds to be bipoles.
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Already out of stock on Amazon lol

That's what it also says when they aren't in yet.
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The old ones so excel at something like this, on at very low levels, maybe 50-55 db. Hope they don't screw this up by too bright.


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I can glue 2 atmos speakers together and put them on the wall sideways to make a bipole and split the wire so it goes to both.
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