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Smile If you had the choice between these 2, which would you pick?

In the market for some budget floorstanding speakers.

This?
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...eakers/SP-FS52

Or this?
http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...aker-pair.html

and why?

Thanks!
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Between those two I would go with the Daytons. However Is would go with these Daytons:

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eeter--300-654

Similar price point to the Pioneers but you get a better tweeter.
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I have no experience with either. I don't know if you have a special deal that would sway the decision. Being in this price range I assume you don't have an exceptional amp. So based off that I would go with the Daytons being they are specifically stating 8ohm compatible so it won't stress your amp as much, and an extra db of sensitivity. Also a higher watt max capability with a listed RMS rating to give me confidence. 5 year warranty looks better than Pioneer's 1 year. And if the list price of $155 of "unit of measure: pair" vs Pioneer's $130 each, the choice seems obvious in Dayton's favor.

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Between those two I would go with the Daytons. However Is would go with these Daytons:

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eeter--300-654

Similar price point to the Pioneers but you get a better tweeter.
This.

I would definitely NOT get the Pioneers if HT/TV is your main usage rather than music.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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If you have a sub, the Sony core would give you better sound quality for about the same price . If you don't have a sub, the Dayton's would be my choice.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-co...?skuId=5721014
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If you have a sub, the Sony core would give you better sound quality for about the same price . If you don't have a sub, the Dayton's would be my choice.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-co...?skuId=5721014

I'd go for the Cores over either the Pioneers or Daytons, even if we are talking about a dinky sub added.

If the OP can up that budget a bit, I'd say forget both, go for the adorama deal w/ Polk S50s and an entire setup for like $480.

Or look for older used towers on CL.
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I'd go for the Cores over either the Pioneers or Daytons, even if we are talking about a dinky sub added.

If the OP can up that budget a bit, I'd say forget both, go for the adorama deal w/ Polk S50s and an entire setup for like $480.

Or look for older used towers on CL.
For $250-300, He has a lot more options for bookshelf speakers that will easy be better that the Pioneer and Dayton.
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Canton GLE
Kef Q100
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For $250-300, He has a lot more options for bookshelf speakers that will easy be better that the Pioneer and Dayton.
Wharfedale 10.1
Def-tech SM45
Canton GLE
Kef Q100
Sony Core
and more.

Although to be fair, the OP may be thinking of recent deals on the Pioneers (I think Fry's had them for like $70 each).

But for HT, I'd take a set of Cores even with no sub over the Pioneer towers. Bass will be missing, but at least dialogue will be clearer.

For music or a secondary setup, the pioneers could make sense -- at a super budget price -- if the OP likes warm speakers.
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In the market for some budget floorstanding speakers.

This?
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...eakers/SP-FS52

Or this?
http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...aker-pair.html

and why?

Thanks!
I might actually go for these though they are used.

Two AVS members compared their sound to Q Acoustics' 3000 series speakers which is quite a compliment in my view.

https://www.adorama.com/us%20%20%20%...xoC4nQQAvD_BwE

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I might actually go for these though they are used.

Two AVS members compared their sound to Q Acoustics' 3000 series speakers which is quite a compliment in my view.

https://www.adorama.com/us%20%20%20%...xoC4nQQAvD_BwE
That's a fantastic deal! Nice find.

I would definitely take those over the 2 he's considering, hands down!

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I might actually go for these though they are used.

Two AVS members compared their sound to Q Acoustics' 3000 series speakers which is quite a compliment in my view.

https://www.adorama.com/us%20%20%20%...xoC4nQQAvD_BwE
Only problem is that I think they literally only have one (so not a set) and under description it states that 2 feet have broken off.
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I have a Precision Acoustics 10" sub.
I'm mainly looking to replace my RL channels which are currently the Polk RM6750
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I have a Precision Acoustics 10" sub.
I'm mainly looking to replace my RL channels which are currently the Polk RM6750
What is your max. budget?
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If you have a sub, the Sony core would give you better sound quality for about the same price . If you don't have a sub, the Dayton's would be my choice.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-co...?skuId=5721014
Sony Core also come in Floorstanding for a still modest price -

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-co...?skuId=5926456

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Only problem is that I think they literally only have one (so not a set) and under description it states that 2 feet have broken off.
Yeah they only have 1 unfortunately....
I'm looking through some of the suggestions above (much appreciated)


Stumbled on these as well:
https://www.amazon.ca/Debut-Bookshel...words=Kef+Q100

Again mentions that Andrew Jones guy.

PS: looking to spend about 300$ (230 USD) CAD for L-R speakers.
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Yeah they only have 1 unfortunately....
I'm looking through some of the suggestions above (much appreciated)


Stumbled on these as well:
https://www.amazon.ca/Debut-Bookshel...words=Kef+Q100

Again mentions that Andrew Jones guy.

PS: looking to spend about 300$ (230 USD) CAD for L-R speakers.
Do you prefer warm speakers? Have you heard the pioneers or elacs before?

If you want something for HT use, you might want to consider a set of Kef Q100s:

https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...=7265&sku=q100
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Also would the main reason to get tower speakers over bookshelf be for bass?
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Do you prefer warm speakers? Have you heard the pioneers or elacs before?

If you want something for HT use, you might want to consider a set of Kef Q100s:

https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...=7265&sku=q100
Wow that's a good price.
It would be for Blurays and Videogames.
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Wow that's a good price.
It would be for Blurays and Videogames.
In that case, I'd say try to listen to a set of Q100s locally if you can (or online with easy returns), and if you like them, get them.

The Q100s should work very well for movies + gaming.

Pioneers + Elacs are warm speakers, so better for music only (and to some, they are too warm for that even) ... maybe not as ideal for movies.

Warm tends to be veiled, highs rolled off. Q100s lean a little bright, but not so bright as to be annoying for most.

Towers vs Bookshelves... the extra bass plays a role, although a good sub can mitigate that. But towers also tend to be fuller and do the 3-way thing vs 2-way. But with your budget, I'd say go for good bookshelves over entry level towers. The Kefs qualify as good bookshelves (they are on clearance, they used to go for about $500).

The other option, if okay with used and you can order from Adorama...
I see another S50 in E condition for $130. So for $230 you could get a set of S50s... one in good condition and one in excellent. But you'd be missing 2 feet on one of the towers (can be fixed, I hope?).

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Can we assume your budget for speakers is between $100/pr and about $150/pair? Can you spend more than that?

Consider these -

https://www.frys.com/search?query_se...4&from=0&to=19

It has been vaguely implied that the Pioneer can be a bit power hungry.

Other information we need to make a judgement on the choices you presented -

- What are the Dimensions of the Room this equipment will be in?

- What other Equipment will you use with the speakers? Amp? CD Player? Computer? Turntable? Other?

- What is the absolute most you can spend on Speakers?


Accessories4Less has some real bargains on Amp and Speakers, at least check out their options for B-Stock Speakers -

https://www.accessories4less.com/?ty...tore_price.asc

Given that most are Priced EACH, I suspect we are out of your price range. But worth a look.

Between the two speakers you put forward, I'm not sure. The Dayton have larger drives than the Pioneer, but the Pioneer seem to go a bit deeper, though the difference is small. The Pioneer have some critical acclaim due to design by Andrew Jones, but the Dayton tend to also have very positive reviews at Parts Express. The Dayton T652-AIR has the Air Motion Tweeter which are suppose to be very good.

Based on the places I checked, the Pioneer are more expensive.

Also be very careful, floorstanding speaker tend to be priced EACH not per pair. So, in reality based on the prices I found, you are comparing $140/PAIR speakers to minimum $340/pair speakers. That puts the Sony CORE Floorstanding in your price range as they are about $320/pair.

If you can push to $500/pair, consider these -

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NS-F15...dp/B0058GZWI6/

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...150/index.html

Priced EACH, these are probably every decent speakers -

https://www.frys.com/product/7734318...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

https://www.frys.com/product/7734298...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Consider these are very substantial discounts off the suggested Retail Price. These are now replaced by the Polk Signature Series.

Again, give us a clear statement of your maximum budget to give us some perspective to work with? Given the Pioneer are priced EACH, we have to assume your budget is about (more or less) $350/pair. Is that the limit, or can you go higher?

If you can raise a bit more money and push to $500/pr or just a bit above, you can get into some very good highly rated speakers -

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...-rosewood-demo

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...er-speakers-pr

You get a lot of speaker in a Tower design, but for a fixed amount of money, you get a better speaker in a Bookshelf, consider that as an option.

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Thanks bluewizard, will check out those links and find out if they ship to Canada!

I also found these:
Definitive Technology (BP6B)
https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...34483&sku=BP6B


Polk Audio (T50)
https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...=31883&sku=T50
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In the market for some budget floorstanding speakers.

This?
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...eakers/SP-FS52

Or this?
http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...aker-pair.html

and why?

Thanks!
I don't know about the Pioneer's however, I own the Daytons, that exact model, I think for the money you get a good deal, they sound surprisingly good for how little you pay. Audiophile quality of course not, but the perform quite well in my little home theater. Although as someone else mentioned I would go with the one with the AMT tweeter.
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Also, there are dealers who have EBay sites where they dump older mechandice. POLK AUDIO has one. You are dealing directly with Polk Audio on this site.

Polk Audio - Ebay -


https://www.ebay.com/sch/polkaudio/m...1&_ipg=&_from=

Just as an example the MONITOR 70 Series-II Tower have a suggested retail of $800, but Polk-Ebay has them for $180 EACH -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-...oAAOSw-09aRsa~

I don't think it is remotely possible to get more speaker for less money than the Polk MONITOR 70.


There are several Monitor 70 and Monitor 60 Demos and Reviews on YouTube.

Polk MONITOR 60 Series-II Tower ($120 each) -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-...wAAOSwsZJaYSul

That is a hell of a lot of speaker for the money.

Polk TSi300 Tower - Cherry - $145/each -


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-...0AAOSwl9RaRS5B

Polk TSi400 Tower - Black - $160/each -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-...gAAOSwIYFaleoz

JBL/Harman has a similar site -

https://www.ebay.com/usr/harmanaudio...88.m1543.l2754

Again, you are dealing directly with the company, not some second or third party.

Pay attention as to whether the prices are EACH or per PAIR.

Here is a reliable YouTube Reviewer who is comparing the very low cost Polk T50 with the Pioneer FS52, that might give you some insight -


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Also would the main reason to get tower speakers over bookshelf be for bass?
That is one reason.

Another consideration: In the case of these budget speakers, the tower versions are often cheaper than buying a pair of decent stands for bookshelf (if you require them)
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Thanks bluewizard, will check out those links and find out if they ship to Canada!

I also found these:
Definitive Technology (BP6B)
https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...34483&sku=BP6B


Polk Audio (T50)
https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...=31883&sku=T50

Nice price on the def techs. Weird design though --
http://www.toptenreviews.com/electro...y-bp6b-review/

Binding posts on the bottom? A set of drivers on the back, facing towards a wall I expect?

Avoid the Polk Ts, I wouldn't advise going for those.
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Since we are giving suggestions, I have and would buy more if I upgraded my receiver, JBL S38 off of ebay. They are seriously a good speaker and would buy all day long over his new picks. As for stands get on Craigslist, Letgo, and Facebook Marketplace for a cheap set of stands.

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In the market for some budget floorstanding speakers.

This?
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...eakers/SP-FS52

Or this?
http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...aker-pair.html

and why?

Thanks!
Seeing as how you are in Canada, can your order from Parts Express?

If not just get the Pioneers for your small budget and if you can get the Dayton Audio tower with the AMT tweeter.

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I also found these:
Definitive Technology (BP6B)
https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cat...34483&sku=BP6B
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Just for comparison sake how much better would something like this
https://www.amazon.ca/Pioneer-SP-FS5...ct_top?ie=UTF8

sounds vs this?
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product.../10077799.aspx


Without even going so far as comparing the kef Q100 or other speakers mentioned.
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Just for comparison sake how much better would something like this
https://www.amazon.ca/Pioneer-SP-FS5...ct_top?ie=UTF8

sounds vs this?
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product.../10077799.aspx


Without even going so far as comparing the kef Q100 or other speakers mentioned.

I'd expect the Pioneers to sound decent with certain types of music, and for HT you will wonder if you accidentally left them inside their boxes.

And the small polks will sound like small PC speakers.

If interested in Polks, I see amazon canada has the S15/S20s at somewhat decent prices. I'd go for those (ideally with a sub) over either the Pioneer or baby Polks myself.
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