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Yet another recommendation thread...

I made a mistake years ago and bought a Bose Lifestyle system and paid far too much... it's time to throw it out and replace with an AVR and surround speakers. Here in Canada it's very expensive and choices are limited and I don't want to make a mistake again.

I like the Yamaha RX-V483 ($549Cnd) and want to add 5.1 surround speakers (using the existing satellite mounts) for under $1000?
This is for a small 12'x24' living room ...TV only (streaming, basic feed).

Thank you!
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I like the Focals.. very high quality sound and I picked them over the BWs. They are expensive but there should be something within 1K in Chorus series. Sub can be a cheaper one.
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If you can you need to listen to the speaker's first before buying because what may sound good for one person may not sound so good for another; and when you do go audit some speakers bring a couple of movies that you know real well that have some really good sound effects, and bring a couple of your favorite music CD's. Bringing your own stuff is better than listening to whatever the store has which is usually designed to enhance the speaker they want to push on you. Some speakers that are going to be recommended for you will be impossible to find in stores, also make sure if you do buy speakers you can take them back within 30 days because they might sound really good in the store but only so so in the home.

$1000 for speakers opens up some pretty decent speaker choices. First off I don't like small satellite speakers, I have yet to hear one that I thought came even remotely close to sounding like full size speakers, I know that will cause a feud here but it is just my opinion, so I will only recommend full size speakers, and most 5.1 speaker system today are small mini speakers, just to forewarn you.

The first one I would listen to is the Polk Audio TSi400 5.1 Home Theater Speaker Package, this one is on the higher end of the price which sell for $999 in US dollars but is the best option for that full size sound that full size speakers have. The next recommendation is the Pioneer SP-PK52FS for around $550, but with those you would have to buy a subwoofer and I would recommend the Fluance DB12, these cost about $300 but combined is still less than the Polks and they got really high reviews.

The other option for speakers to build your own by mix and matching. For example you could get a pair of Elac Debut F6 for $280, a JBL Arena 125C center speaker for $200, a pair of Klipsch Reference R-14SA for the rear at $280, and a Polk Audio PSW10 powered subwoofer at just $90, all for under $1,000. Elac does make a package called the Debut 5.1 system but that runs almost $1,500.

Anyway that's all I can recommend. I've listened to a lot of speakers over the years and nothing beats full size floor standing speaker sound, the small sat type speakers all sound boxy and hollow to me just as you learned with your Bose, they lack oomph and natural sound, but to be honest the small sat speaker is more for watching movies where the sound quality isn't in the high range especially, and middle range as much as music is, but they can do an ok job with music.
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BIC Formula FH6-LCR At parts express [email protected] leave plenty left over for a sub.

wave crest audio HLV-1 [email protected] leaves plenty leftover for a sub.

for the budget sub, go with the monoprice Premium Select 8-inch 200-Watt Subwoofer
Product ID: 14567..99.00 get 2 at that price. or one Bas-X 8.


amazon has JBL B-15 for 80/pr. 4 of those, 160. emotiva C-1 center 250, plenty left over for a quality sub...
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Just for your and the OP information.
I got lots of experience in that domain, most of my gear is from the US.


When our dollar was par with the US one, you could add around 20-30%. For taxes, shipping and broker fee.
Now a day with our weak dollar, I say adding around 80%.
My last amp for my ceiling speakers was $600 US, and cost me at the end, around $1000 CDN.




A good suggestion you got from Phil
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Thanks Ray - I did get a price from RSL and it was fair. While I've decided, for my little living/dining room that the smaller speakers will keep me happy, I'll post their quote here for reference
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Item: RSL CG3 5.1 System

Quantity: 1

Total Cost of Items: $1079

Shipping Method: FedEx International Economy Air

Standard FedEx Shipping Rate: $652

RSL Discounted Shipping Rate: $88

Grand Total With Shipping: $1167.00

Please note that local duties and taxes may apply and are extra
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Thanks Ray - I did get a price from RSL and it was fair. While I've decided, for my little living/dining room that the smaller speakers will keep me happy, I'll post their quote here for reference

While the price from a US vendor, is never the problem.
The big difference happen when passing the border


At todays exchange rate;
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/ex...xchange-rates/


Your $1167 US, become $1502.63 CDN
Then your local province taxes, mine are 5%, then add the broker fee that vary from all different shippers (some can be find on line).
So around $1800-1900 CDN


Thanks for posting back as a reference for others


Edit, your full post did not show up, so I just use your final cost.


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Thanks!
I've ordered a (b stock) Denon AVR-s730H for ~$300 and have narrowed down search for speakers to
Polk TL 1600 ~$400
Paradigm Cinema 100 CT ~$700
and I will read up on your suggestion.
If you insist on going that small, your best bet would be the Focal Sib package here, even with the cost of shipping from the US plus Canadian duties/taxes:
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091SIB...hoC3CYQAvD_BwE
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~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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Marantz

I had to replace my AVR recently and also looked at Yamaha as well as Pioneer, Marantz and Denon. Have not had luck with Pioneer the last couple go rounds so they left the competition quickly. Found Denon to be the less desirable versus Marantz. So Marantz and Yamaha were in the ring. I ended up choosing the Marantz SR5011. Bought it thru Safe and Sound at a great price. I was so much more than amazed at the sound it produced than my old Pioneer Elite I can't even say. Very much a night and day difference. Sold on Marantz for sure. Set up was awesome too.

The AVR is paired with BIC America speakers which are one of the best values for the quality of sound you can get. Very economical. Friends are always blown away with the sound especially with the Marantz SR5011 pushing everything. I have BIC's DV62CLR-S as my center channel, their DV64 towers as my front L/R, their Muro M-80 in-walls as my side L/R, a pair of Bose cubes from my rears and BIC's V1220 powered sub. I am only disappointed with the Bose cubes and plan on replacing them in the future. The SR5011 can run two subs so I also plan on adding a second V1220. Price out a system like that and you will be amazed at what you can get for the money.
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If you insist on going that small, your best bet would be the Focal Sib package here, even with the cost of shipping from the US plus Canadian duties/taxes:
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091SIB...hoC3CYQAvD_BwE
I think this is the same, but I'm unsure of the center placement,
https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket....er-pack-black/
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I think this is the same, but I'm unsure of the center placement,
https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket....er-pack-black/
yep, I'm pretty sure it is. You can always call them to check, or go there and compare the model numbers.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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If you insist on going that small, your best bet would be the Focal Sib package here, even with the cost of shipping from the US plus Canadian duties/taxes:
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091SIB...hoC3CYQAvD_BwE

Since you are so good, trying helping others, by adding links.


I thought, you might like to know, that Crutchield do have a Canadian site;
https://www.crutchfield.ca/S-XX2WbIVu0PP/


This is where I got, my Marantz AV7702mkII.
Great service and no surprise for exchange and duty
Just the Provincial taxes and shipping, as any else bought in Canada.


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Crutchield do have a Canadian site;
https://www.crutchfield.ca/S-XX2WbIVu0PP/
yeah I looked for the Sib package there but they apparently don't carry it.

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With these bookshelfs and center,
Paradigm Home Speakers Bookshelf SpeakersAtom Monitor (Series 7) (B) $288
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...tor-Series-7-B
Paradigm Home Speakers Centre Channel SpeakersMonitor Center 1 (Series 7) (B) $299
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...r-1-Series-7-B

...which subwoofer (is this somewhere I can save money)?

Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 8"PDR 80 $349
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...aradigm-PDR-80
Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 10"PDR 100 $459
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...radigm-PDR-100
https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket....cat=subwoofers ??
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...344&sku=SW8MK2
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...633&sku=PSW108

I also need to raise my TV and mount on wall (to accommodate the center) and replace the existing bose cube mounts, so looking for Canadian source for hardware

Thank you!

Realized there is a subwoofer forum so moved this question over there https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...subwoofer.html

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With these bookshelfs and center,
Paradigm Home Speakers Bookshelf SpeakersAtom Monitor (Series 7) (B) $288
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...tor-Series-7-B
Paradigm Home Speakers Centre Channel SpeakersMonitor Center 1 (Series 7) (B) $299
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...r-1-Series-7-B

...which subwoofer (is this somewhere I can save money)?

Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 8"PDR 80 $349
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...aradigm-PDR-80
Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 10"PDR 100 $459
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...radigm-PDR-100
https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket....cat=subwoofers ??
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...344&sku=SW8MK2
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...633&sku=PSW108
In that price range, a better sub would be this:
https://www.amazon.ca/Emotiva-Audio-...70_&dpSrc=srch

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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In that price range, a better sub would be this:
https://www.amazon.ca/Emotiva-Audio-...70_&dpSrc=srch
Thanks Zorba ..yep, it's in my cart. Hoping to order next month after the speakers/center and paid for. Will also be looking for rear surrounds as well.
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yeah I looked for the Sib package there but they apparently don't carry it.

I should have know that you were aware of the CDN site

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With these bookshelfs and center,
Paradigm Home Speakers Bookshelf SpeakersAtom Monitor (Series 7) (B) $288
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...tor-Series-7-B
Paradigm Home Speakers Centre Channel SpeakersMonitor Center 1 (Series 7) (B) $299
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...r-1-Series-7-B

...which subwoofer (is this somewhere I can save money)?

Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 8"PDR 80 $349
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...aradigm-PDR-80
Paradigm Home Speakers Subwoofers 10"PDR 100 $459
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...radigm-PDR-100
https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket....cat=subwoofers ??
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...344&sku=SW8MK2
https://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cat...633&sku=PSW108

I also need to raise my TV and mount on wall (to accommodate the center) and replace the existing bose cube mounts, so looking for Canadian source for hardware

Thank you!

Realized there is a subwoofer forum so moved this question over there https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...subwoofer.html

Sub wise, spend the most you can, and do not cheap out on the budget on this one, so No money saving.
You will Thanks us later for doing so, You will see lots of familiar recommendation on the subs thread.


For the hardware, very difficult to give suggestion with seeing the room, any pictures?
It should be easy to find hardware, once we know what to recommend, and the center speaker can always be angle up or down for the situation.


Quote me or send me a PM for instructions, for the center angle instructions.


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I should have know that you were aware of the CDN site

Quote me or send me a PM for instructions, for the center angle instructions.


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Thanks, yep, I've been on every Canuck site I can find. My Gibbys b-stock denon (AVR-s730h) arrives today so I'm going to run over and pick up the speakers/center on my lunch so at least I can play a bit...these bose are pretty useless.
For the time being I'll just sit my TV on top of the center - hopefully that's all the aiming it'll need? When the sub comes (the emotiva) I'll tackle the permanent set up.
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Thanks, yep, I've been on every Canuck site I can find. My Gibbys b-stock denon (AVR-s730h) arrives today so I'm going to run over and pick up the speakers/center on my lunch so at least I can play a bit...these bose are pretty useless.
For the time being I'll just sit my TV on top of the center - hopefully that's all the aiming it'll need? When the sub comes (the emotiva) I'll tackle the permanent set up.
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Make sure your center is sticking out a little, to reduce/remove reflection of what ever it is sitting on.
If you want a more elaborate way to angle-it, PM or quote me, I will gladly post those instructions.


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Thanks for all the suggestions and help here... I've learnt a lot!
I took the easy route and picked up a system in a store (Monitor Audio MASS 5.1) that sounded good and is pretty much plug'n'play and the price was right.
I'm currently looking for a couple more rear speakers since the denon is 7.1 and why waste 'em.
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