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MiniDSP 2X4 HD help!

Ok I have the MiniDSP 2x4 HD with two subwoofers and a MiniDSP umk-1. I’ve set the subwoofers to 72db individually and about 74 combined. Somehow either my filter setting are wrong or REW setup is wrong because when I generate my filters I get this error 87% of the response in the match range is below the target. I used this article as reference for Setting the filters

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@veger69 Show a screen shot of your graph and what exactly what you want to do and I will try to help. Show the overall graph and show your Target settings and filter tasks as well.

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I can’t tell from your limited screenshot whether you have followed all the steps to configure the EQ tool prior to clicking on “match response to target”. If you check out the MiniDSP 2x4 implementation guide linked in my sig, there is a section on using the REW EQ tool, with step-by-step instructions. Please read to see if you have missed a critical step.

If you think you have followed the instructions properly and are still having difficulty, you could post your REW MDAT file in a place where we could download it and provide specific guidance. I typically use Dropbox.com for sharing files.
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When most of the response is below the target it either means your target level is too high or your sub level is too low. Ideally you want your sub being a bit on the high side so you can use some parametric EQ in the minidsp to flatten out the response and not have to boost any frequencies.
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Another frequent cause is forgetting to click on the "Set target level" control, which matches the target curve to the input level of the measurement.
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Another frequent cause is forgetting to click on the "Set target level" control, which matches the target curve to the input level of the measurement.
Yeah I didn’t click set target level I’ll generate some filters and post some MDATS. My response is much lower than the one in your guide. Hopefully once I post my MDATS you guy can give me some pointers.
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Yeah I didn’t click set target level I’ll generate some filters and post some MDATS. My response is much lower than the one in your guide. Hopefully once I post my MDATS you guy can give me some pointers.
Typically I will set the measurement level 40dB above the noise floor in my listening room, at 85dB-90dB. Looking forward to seeing your MDAT.
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MiniDSP 2X4 HD help!

Is there a guide for the 2x4hd plugin? Because it’s very different visually from the 2X4. My units #2 output is putting out very dramatically lower levels so I reset the MiniDSP to default and no change, so changed to output #3 and the output is normal. Maybe a guide could help me determine if there is a setting on #2 that’s dropping the output, but shouldn’t resetting to default fix that?
Also do I have to be connected to the MiniDSP during measurements or can I upload the filters after? I bought a longer mini usb cable but for some reason it won’t sync with the MiniDSP.

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Typically I will set the measurement level 40dB above the noise floor in my listening room, at 85dB-90dB. Looking forward to seeing your MDAT.


So would I adjust the gain in the MiniDSP or on the subwoofer? The processes would be playing pick noise and using the REW built in sound meter to set a dB level of 85-90


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So would I adjust the gain in the MiniDSP or on the subwoofer? The processes would be playing pick noise and using the REW built in sound meter to set a dB level of 85-90


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OK, you are getting things mixed up. There is the sub channel output level, and there is the REW measurement level, two entirely different things.

The sub channel output level should be set to ~75dB (or perhaps slightly higher, depending on your preference). The sub output level can be set by adjusting the gain control on the back of the sub while measuring the level at the MLP. Use the AVR level-setting test tone (make sure the AVR MV is set to zero when outputting the test tone). Or, if you are using automated room correction like Audyssey, the sub level is set during the calibration.

The REW measurement level is easy to set. Start by running a 15-300Hz measurement sweep on the sub channel. Then click on the Spectrogram tab in REW, click “Generate”, and observe the bar on the right side of the screen, which will show the measurement peak level. Adjust your AVR MV up or down, depending on the level the Spectrogram shows, repeat the sweep, and generate the Spectrogram again to make sure you have reached the desired measurement level, say 90dB.
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Is there a guide for the 2x4hd plugin? Because it’s very different visually from the 2X4. My units #2 output is putting out very dramatically lower levels so I reset the MiniDSP to default and no change, so changed to output #3 and the output is normal. Maybe a guide could help me determine if there is a setting on #2 that’s dropping the output, but shouldn’t resetting to default fix that?
Also do I have to be connected to the MiniDSP during measurements or can I upload the filters after? I bought a longer mini usb cable but for some reason it won’t sync with the MiniDSP.

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I think it would make it easier for someone to provide help if you described how you want to use the 2x4HD, what you are trying to accomplish, and why you chose the 2x4HD rather than one of the other MiniDSP products.

Edit: Are you planning on sharing your REW MDAT file?

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I think it would make it easier for someone to provide help if you described how you want to use the 2x4HD, what you are trying to accomplish, and why you chose the 2x4HD rather than one of the other MiniDSP products.



Edit: Are you planning on sharing your REW MDAT file?


I’m trying to improve my sub performance. My Anthem AVM60 doesn’t handle subs separately and only provides delay setting to the closest foot. I want to eq the subs separately and set the delays separately and then let arc fine tune it and leave the distance at zero in the Anthem. I do plan on posting the MDAT but I’m disabled and have to wait for the weekend for my brother to help. I chose the 2X4 HD because the Anthem processes in 96khz so I wanted to keep it in the same kHz no downgrade.

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I’m trying to improve my sub performance. My Anthem AVM60 doesn’t handle subs separately and only provides delay setting to the closest foot. I want to eq the subs separately and set the delays separately and then let arc fine tune it and leave the distance at zero in the Anthem. I do plan on posting the MDAT but I’m disabled and have to wait for the weekend for my brother to help. I chose the 2X4 HD because the Anthem processes in 96khz so I wanted to keep it in the same kHz no downgrade.
But there is no benefit to the sub channel with 96KHz processing. I’ll look forward to looking at the MDAT to see if I can provide some help.
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I’m trying to improve my sub performance. My Anthem AVM60 doesn’t handle subs separately and only provides delay setting to the closest foot. I want to eq the subs separately and set the delays separately and then let arc fine tune it and leave the distance at zero in the Anthem. I do plan on posting the MDAT but I’m disabled and have to wait for the weekend for my brother to help. I chose the 2X4 HD because the Anthem processes in 96khz so I wanted to keep it in the same kHz no downgrade.
I think you should be using HD1 plugin for the 2x4hd device. That is all you need to get all subs connected and the minidsp will just time align your subs using delays in minidsp. I also have one subwoofer output and using 3 subs and the minidsp 2x4hd worked like a charm!

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I think you should be using HD1 plugin for the 2x4hd device. That is all you need to get all subs connected and the minidsp will just time align your subs using delays in minidsp. I also have one subwoofer output and using 3 subs and the minidsp 2x4hd worked like a charm!
Can you share with us why you chose the 2x4HD over the straight 2x4? I believe the 2x4HD allows for a delay higher than 7.5ms, which could easily justify the HD. But I don’t think the 96KHz processing offers any advantage when the device is only used for the sub channel. I’m just wondering what justifies double the price of the standard 2x4.
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Can you share with us why you chose the 2x4HD over the straight 2x4? I believe the 2x4HD allows for a delay higher than 7.5ms, which could easily justify the HD. But I don’t think the 96KHz processing offers any advantage when the device is only used for the sub channel. I’m just wondering what justifies double the price of the standard 2x4.


I didn’t know there is no degradation when Down converting from 96khz. That was the only reason


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Down-converting what? The only way you would be getting 96KHz content on your AVR is if you listen to a lot of hi-res music. Regardless, 96KHz has no relevance to the frequencies delivered to the subs.

Regardless, I am more interested in why you were having difficulty generating EQ filters from REW. That’s why I am waiting to see the MDAT file, assuming you still want help with this.
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Ok I downloaded the newest beta and loaded the asio4all drivers that I was using before and no sound my Anthem is saying SXGA no signal


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Ok I downloaded the newest beta and loaded the asio4all drivers that I was using before and no sound my Anthem is saying SXGA no signal


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you making this a horror story for all potential minidsp buyers...is it really this hard?


I bought one 6 months or so and havent hooked it up yet...so I have no room to talk...but really? curious to know


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Can you share with us why you chose the 2x4HD over the straight 2x4? I believe the 2x4HD allows for a delay higher than 7.5ms, which could easily justify the HD. But I don’t think the 96KHz processing offers any advantage when the device is only used for the sub channel. I’m just wondering what justifies double the price of the standard 2x4.
I think you might have meant to ask this to the OP? But I will give my reason why I bought the HD version over the non HD. Two main reasons, higher delays and higher signal voltage output. Also have heard maybe HD had less issues overall to the non HD one and I didn't mind purchasing something that might be overkill thinking I may try Dirac plugin upgrade one of these days which you can purchase to download rather than purchasing a new device.

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Ok I downloaded the newest beta and loaded the asio4all drivers that I was using before and no sound my Anthem is saying SXGA no signal


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Now I'm confused....first you had REW running fine but had issues with EQ filters for minidsp. Now you're saying you can't get REW to work? So which are you having issues with....minidsp or rew since this thread is for minidsp 2x4 hd connection issues which you stated originally.

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I think you might have meant to ask this to the OP? But I will give my reason why I bought the HD version over the non HD. Two main reasons, higher delays and higher signal voltage output. Also have heard maybe HD had less issues overall to the non HD one and I didn't mind purchasing something that might be overkill thinking I may try Dirac plugin upgrade one of these days which you can purchase to download rather than purchasing a new device.
I meant to ask you, and thanks for your answer. The reasons you give are reasonable. Before investing in the Dirac upgrade, make sure you understand potential issues with the way the 2x4HD would handle bass management. IMO, if you are really interested in Dirac, you should consider the 88A.
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you making this a horror story for all potential minidsp buyers...is it really this hard?


I bought one 6 months or so and havent hooked it up yet...so I have no room to talk...but really? curious to know


maybe you should post some more pics so people that do know can help.
Issues with ASIO have to do with REW measurements, not with the MiniDSP, so you can relax.
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Now I'm confused....first you had REW running fine but had issues with EQ filters for minidsp. Now you're saying you can't get REW to work? So which are you having issues with....minidsp or rew since this thread is for minidsp 2x4 hd connection issues which you stated originally.


I’m still having issues with the filter but every time I start REW I get this notification that a new beta was out so I updated.....


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Issues with ASIO have to do with REW measurements, not with the MiniDSP, so you can relax.

thats what im skeered of as just using rew caused me 10 pages of questions

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thats what im skeered of as just using rew caused me 10 pages of questions
While the REW thread can be confusing with all the reading....its best to just follow Jerry's guide that is in his signature and start at the first page. Its super easy to read and follow along IMO. The people that have issues with rew measurements for most part is they skip reading the pages and get ahead of themselves. If you decide to go down the rabbit hole, we will welcome you.

I always thought my system sounded great, but REW can really show you what you don't hear/feel and I will say REW improved my system along with minidsp (due to having multiple subs and only have one subwoofer output on prepro) more than anything. Now my system sounds like it got a HUGE upgrade and guess what I paid? Only $100 for mic and rew is FREE. Ok...$300 with minidsp included. I don't think anything could improve it that much on the cheap!
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Before you worry about EQ filters....get REW running and get minidsp connected with proper plugin for the device....then you can worry about EQ filters.

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i got rew running a year or 3 ago...now time for my minidsp...soon...

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Before you worry about EQ filters....get REW running and get minidsp connected with proper plugin for the device....then you can worry about EQ filters.


I have the correct plugin HD1, trying to get REW working again


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