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post #61 of 83 Old 07-27-2018, 11:03 AM
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Should hit 110 dB with only 10 watts. Should be capable of >120 dB based on sensitivity and power handling specs.
Remember, Klipsch overstates their sensitivity. For instance, RP-280fa is rated at 98 db, but Brent Butterworth measured about 93.
https://hometheaterreview.com/klipsc...viewed/?page=2

So, presumably, the Rf-7 III are 95, still pretty good.

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Remember, Klipsch overstates their sensitivity. For instance, RP-280fa is rated at 98 db, but Brent Butterworth measured about 93.
https://hometheaterreview.com/klipsc...viewed/?page=2

So, presumably, the Rf-7 III are 95, still pretty good.
OK, yes you are right Klipsch does not use anechoic sensitivity measurements. So, 40 watts to get to 110 dB anechoic at 1 meter based on the "Brent Butterworth" standard. It's not clear to me how he derives such a precise anechoic sensitivity measurement when he does not have an anechoic chamber to work with, he explains how he arrives at the other numbers using "quasi-anechoic technique" but not sensitivity. Regardless, Klipsch did tell me it does not use anechoic specs for sensitivity (noting that it measures sensitivity the same way it always has, which predated the existence of anechoic chambers). Anyhow, it is true, the true anechoic sensitivity number would indeed be lower.

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It seems like it would be easy to run some compression sweeps to see where they cry uncle.
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According to this calculator (and assuming 95 dB sensitivity), I should be able to get 109 dB at the listening position with 100 w/ch...much higher dB than I need or want.

Per the calculator, I would only need 13 w/ch to achieve 100 dB at the listening position.

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Speaker Sensitivity:
95
dB SPL (1 W/1 M)
Amplifier Power:
100
Watts
Distance:
13
feet
No. of Speakers:
2
usually 2, more for multi-channel
Speaker Placement (Choose 1): Away from walls (or do not consider placement)
Near a wall (within 2 to 4 feet)
In a corner (within 18 to 24 inches)
RESULTS

20
dB Gain from amplifier

-12
dB Loss due to dispersion (distance)

3
dB Gain from sonic reinforcement (multi speakers)

3
db Gain from placement (reinforcement from reflected sound)

109
dB SPL at listening postion
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So from reading some of the recent responses, considering I have good subs (PB-13 Ultra and an older PC-Ultra) if I make the Klipsch move the RP-280’s or 260’s will serve me fine rather than dumping a months salary on RF-7’s? Also on the question of sensitivity/efficiency ratings. My RTi8’s are rated at 89dB, if a speaker, be it an RF7 or RP280 is rated at 99-100dB does that mean I’d get the same SPL from the Klipsches at -25dB on my AVR that I get from my Polks at -15dB? Or am I thinking about this all wrong?

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My RTi8’s are rated at 89dB, if a speaker, be it an RF7 or RP280 is rated at 99-100dB does that mean I’d get the same SPL from the Klipsches at -25dB on my AVR that I get from my Polks at -15dB? Or am I thinking about this all wrong?
No. The AVR determines the power needed to get the speakers to a reference standard at a point is space and then level matches the speakers so that at -15 your speakers are playing 15dB short of that reference (assuming the track is mixed to reference).

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-u...eference-Level

But the power needed to do this isn't linear.

Assuming the sensitivity ratings are measured/derived consistently (which they probably aren't), it does mean that it takes over 10 times more power to play your Polks to the same SPL as the RF7iii's.

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I keep saying that to myself. I just unfortunately figured out how I could buy RF-7(I'm relatively poor) and am trying to resist until at least next summer, and your logic is what I am using to resist.

If I don't come to my senses, I will have have some by the end of next year, anyway.
I just saw on Klipsch site they have sales on the RP-280's, if you're OK with walnut finish they have them for 419.00 each, cheapest option. I think for home theater, If I was going to add subs anyway I would just go with the 280's. If I just wanted 2 speakers then it'd be the RF-7's for sure.

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Take me back!

Reading your review I kept thinking of a letter I wrote Paul in my previous life and the kind reply he sent me. And yes, along with that kind reply he enclosed a Gothic-script "Bullshït" button! My goal was one day to afford a set of Klipschorns, but though I finally got the bread I never got the clear wall and corners they need for proper tuning. But along the way I absorbed Paul's salient points about horns. First, they're super-efficient, which you allude to when you remark at how easily the RF-7 IIIs can handle anything a source can throw at them. Second, you mention how horns are criticized for harshness. Well, the other side of that coin is presence.

Anyway, have you had experience with Klipschorns? How do these RF-7 IIIs stack up to them?

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ive had these a couple months now along with rc-64iii, I have 3 xpa-1 monoblocks with rx-2060
sound is crisp and clear, ive listened to more music in the past 2 months than i have in the past 20 years, these speakers make feel like im in high school again(if thats a good thing). Movies are even better, i had to rewatch my whole collection. Only running 3.1 for now until my remodel is complete. They keep up with my pb-16 ultra no problem, i run xo at 80. Dunkirk is my fav on these, brings another level of authority
I was thinking rewarding these reviews what an awesome HT speaker these might be. I suppose could use another klipsch model with the horn fort surrounds easily enough, but they need to market a center channel with same drivers.

Woudl like to ask those who ahve a chance to compare IIIs with II hope much of an upgrade these are ?

Also I’m a little confused re amplification. I though a major aspect of horns was their efficiency but these are rated at 8 ohms, and many posters are saying they just suck up power - what would be the min amount of power they need to perform well ?

Also there is soem very tough competition out there in this price range - even if you’d specify outstanding dynamics. (PSB etc)

At any rate its great to see Klipsch make an effort in high end aspirations and distance itself from the polks of the world...and made in the USA !
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¿¿¿ anybody heard the JBL 590 twers versus these Klipsch RF7-III ???
Excellent question-took the words from my mouth- JBL aNd Klipsch have unique technology that is only seen in Uber expensive home theaters , so there si no question they have the chops to compete sound wise down scale a bit-
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So, would you reccomend these for movies too? I’ve been eyeballing the RP280’s since you did that review a few years ago, maybe I should keep saving? Is there matching book shelf’s, surrounds and center channels that go with these?
I bought the RP280s few years ago based on Mark's review. Still loving mine!
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depends on use, my setup is overkill, anything in xpa(3,5 or 7) or monolith amp would be ideal depending on channels, your ears will bleed before these speaker wont take anymore

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I was thinking rewarding these reviews what an awesome HT speaker these might be. I suppose could use another klipsch model with the horn fort surrounds easily enough, but they need to market a center channel with same drivers.

Woudl like to ask those who ahve a chance to compare IIIs with II hope much of an upgrade these are ?

Also I’m a little confused re amplification. I though a major aspect of horns was their efficiency but these are rated at 8 ohms, and many posters are saying they just suck up power - what would be the min amount of power they need to perform well ?

Also there is soem very tough competition out there in this price range - even if you’d specify outstanding dynamics. (PSB etc)

At any rate its great to see Klipsch make an effort in high end aspirations and distance itself from the polks of the world...and made in the USA !
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I also bought my 280’s et al based on Mark’s excellent review. The 280’s are wonderful speakers and if they are in your budget, I would get them. You would not regret it. Having said that, I have no regrets in upgrading to the III’s. Absolutely fantastic for me.
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I really think the RP-280’s or 260’s will be my next speakers. (With matching centers and surrounds of course) I’m waiting on a deal for the Piano Blacks, love that finish.

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I really think the RP-280’s or 260’s will be my next speakers. (With matching centers and surrounds of course) I’m waiting on a deal for the Piano Blacks, love that finish.
The piano black is sexy. One of the stores by me has them on display. I was ready to get them before I decided to jump up the the 7s. Would have been killer if Klipsch had the 7s in it.
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The piano black is sexy. One of the stores by me has them on display. I was ready to get them before I decided to jump up the the 7s. Would have been killer if Klipsch had the 7s in it.
Agree, the RF7-III in piano black is like a movie star in a tuxedo, fresh-dressed to impress.

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Does anyone have any knowledge or first had listening experience on how the RF-7 III would compare with the DIY 1099 speaker for home theater use? If so, I'd appreciate your opinion on which makes a better speaker for home theater. Thanks.
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Hi,
For home theater use 7.2.4 set-up how does the klipsch RF-7 iii compare with the likes of Goldenear Triton 2+ ( or any of their line up ), so a complete klipsch 7.2.4 set-up vs a complete Goldenear setup.

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I own a couple Klipsch RF-7 plus RC-7 center channel first edition from about 20 years. They are feeded by McIntosh amps. I've been tempted in the past to change them for the ultra-sexy Palladium first and for the RF-7 II then, but after a listening sessions i have always decided that my "original" RF-7 were better. Just curious about this new III edition. I know is not easy but anyone had a chance to make an A/B comparison with the original RF-7 speakers?
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I own a couple Klipsch RF-7 plus RC-7 center channel first edition from about 20 years. They are feeded by McIntosh amps. I've been tempted in the past to change them for the ultra-sexy Palladium first and for the RF-7 II then, but after a listening sessions i have always decided that my "original" RF-7 were better. Just curious about this new III edition. I know is not easy but anyone had a chance to make an A/B comparison with the original RF-7 speakers?
I've not heard either yet, but you can bet the horn is better on the III. I can tell a difference in horns from my 20 year old RP-5's and the RP 280's horns. 90x90 dispersion, bigger, they get louder. The 8" drivers, not as big a difference but probably more power handling and louder, harder to say because there's 2 drivers/tower vs. 1 in that comparison. I'd imagine the differences would be noticeable but would it be worth upgrading for the cost of new? I'd say no, unless your speakers aren't in good condition.

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I've not heard either yet, but you can bet the horn is better on the III. I can tell a difference in horns from my 20 year old RP-5's and the RP 280's horns. 90x90 dispersion, bigger, they get louder. The 8" drivers, not as big a difference but probably more power handling and louder, harder to say because there's 2 drivers/tower vs. 1 in that comparison. I'd imagine the differences would be noticeable but would it be worth upgrading for the cost of new? I'd say no, unless your speakers aren't in good condition.
I treasure mine so are "like new" but i don't understand the sentence "arder to say because there's 2 drivers/tower vs. 1 in that comparison" what do you mean? RF-7 and RF-7 III had the same number of drivers ...
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Does anyone have any knowledge or first had listening experience on how the RF-7 III would compare with the DIY 1099 speaker for home theater use? If so, I'd appreciate your opinion on which makes a better speaker for home theater. Thanks.
I have the DIYSG HTM12's (front) , Htm6's (rear) and the Fusion Center channel. The DIYSG speakers replaced RF7 II's, RC64II and RS52II.
The HTM12's and RF7II's are quite similar right up to -15 to -12 on my volume dial. After that the HTM12's win hands down due to the RF7's becoming quite shrill in the upper freqs.

The real winner was the Fusion center. Dialogue became much easier to make out and did not require me to go +4 on my center channel output any longer just to make out dialogue. I can only imagine how much better the 1099 would be as a center.

I am not bashing the RF7's or the RC64 in any way as I was quite happy with them for 4+ years.
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I treasure mine so are "like new" but i don't understand the sentence "arder to say because there's 2 drivers/tower vs. 1 in that comparison" what do you mean? RF-7 and RF-7 III had the same number of drivers ...
As I said I wasn't comparing RF7's since I don't have those. But newer horns in the RP-280's are superior to the horns in my older RP-5's. My RP-5's only have a single 8" driver so that's harder to compare to dual 8" drivers of the RP-280's, still I would say they are better. My drivers are not in the RP-280 towers though (see pic). The horns in the III's are certainly going to be better, the dual 10's too but I wouldn't say as much as the horn. Enough to upgrade? I wouldn't.
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