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hughhugh 06-12-2018 08:27 AM

Please help choosing JTR or SVS
 
I was about to pull the trigger on SVS after months of googling and browsing this forum. But then the JTR keeps popping up.

I cant audition the JTR so any feedback is welcome. There aren't many demo on youtube on this brand.

I was having difficulty auditioning the SVS. Finally managed to audition the U.Bookshelf but not the U. Tower. I actually have had to travel to a neighbouring country to do this. My impression is that it sounded nice but from the reviews, I expected more.

The room size is:
Width (screen side) : 188inch
Length : 338 inch
Height : 118 inch

The system will be HT:music 70:30
If it is relevant, the kind of music I enjoy would be rock (eg: the sound of silence by disturbed), vocal, pop, instruments.

I originally was going for:
Svs Ultra Tower x3 for LCR
Svs U. Surround x2 for sides
Svs U. Bookshelf x2 for rear
Svs elevation x6 for atmos
Svs 2xPb-16
Emotiva xpa-dr3 for LCR
Emo xpa5 x2 for the rest
Marantz AV8805

If we keep the discussion on the speakers alone, which one would you suggest:

Option 1: $10.800
As planned above $10.800

Option 2: $13.600
3xJRT215
2xSVS U.S
2xSVS U.B
6xSVS elevation
Reason: read somewhere that JTR215 does not need sub.
U.T spec is 28hz-32khz.
PB16 spec is 13-280hz
215RT spec is 18hz-24khz

Question:
A. Do I really not need sub with the JTR ? PB16 will output as low as 13hz as opposed to 18hz on 215RT
B. The U.T upper freq is 32 Khz vs JRT 24khz. Will this likely to matter ?
C. SVS touts "timbre matching" between all their lines. Will mixing JTR for LCR and SVS for the rest be a good idea ?

Note: price difference is high but probably acceptable.

Option 3: $11.300 - $12.800
3x U.B (bookshelf) LCR or
3x U.T LCR
2X U.S
2X U.B
6X elevation
2X JTR CAP4000ULF
Reason: the CAP will provide lower freq so probably can save some on the tower.

Question:
A. is having 215RT preferable over 2xCAP4000?
B. Would you recommend CAP1400 or CAPS2 over CAP4000 on this option ? (More savings)

Note: still a bit over budget but manageable

Option 4: $ 18.600
3x JTR215RT
2x old polk tower rear ($0)
2x old polk surround sides($0)
6x new SVS elevation
2x CAP4000ULF

Note: spend everything on LCR and sub (and add atmos) but use a set of existing polk speakers that I already have for about a decade. Sounded "enough" back then...

Question:
A. Will the system be "balanced" with this mix & match brands ?

Additional general questions:
A1. Will the Emo XPA-DR3 be enough to drive the JTR 215RT ?
The spec shows 2000Watt (!!) for each 215RT. And yet the reviews say that this is a sensitive speaker requiring minimum amp.

Thank you for the feedback.

imureh 06-12-2018 08:31 AM

Please help choosing JTR or SVS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56331138)
I was about to pull the trigger on SVS after months of googling and browsing this forum. But then the JTR keeps popping up.



I cant audition the JTR so any feedback is welcome. There aren't many demo on youtube on this brand.



I was having difficulty auditioning the SVS. Finally managed to audition the U.Bookshelf but not the U. Tower. I actually have had to travel to a neighbouring country to do this. My impression is that it sounded nice but from the reviews, I expected more.



The room size is:

Width (screen side) : 188inch

Length : 338 inch

Height : 118 inch



The system will be HT:music 70:30

If it is relevant, the kind of music I enjoy would be rock (eg: the sound of silence by disturbed), vocal, pop, instruments.



I originally was going for:

Svs Ultra Tower x3 for LCR

Svs U. Surround x2 for sides

Svs U. Bookshelf x2 for rear

Svs elevation x6 for atmos

Svs 2xPb-16

Emotiva xpa-dr3 for LCR

Emo xpa5 x2 for the rest

Marantz AV8805



If we keep the discussion on the speakers alone, which one would you suggest:



Option 1: $10.800

As planned above $10.800



Option 2: $13.600

3xJRT215

2xSVS U.S

2xSVS U.B

6xSVS elevation

Reason: read somewhere that JTR215 does not need sub.

U.T spec is 28hz-32khz.

PB16 spec is 13-280hz

215RT spec is 18hz-24khz



Question:

A. Do I really not need sub with the JTR ? PB16 will output as low as 13hz as opposed to 18hz on 215RT

B. The U.T upper freq is 32 Khz vs JRT 24khz. Will this likely to matter ?

C. SVS touts "timbre matching" between all their lines. Will mixing JTR for LCR and SVS for the rest be a good idea ?



Note: price difference is high but probably acceptable.



Option 3: $11.300 - $12.800

3x U.B (bookshelf) LCR or

3x U.T LCR

2X U.S

2X U.B

6X elevation

2X JTR CAP4000ULF

Reason: the CAP will provide lower freq so probably can save some on the tower.



Question:

A. is having 215RT preferable over 2xCAP4000?

B. Would you recommend CAP1400 or CAPS2 over CAP4000 on this option ? (More savings)



Note: still a bit over budget but manageable



Option 4: $ 18.600

3x JTR215RT

2x old polk tower rear ($0)

2x old polk surround sides($0)

6x new SVS elevation

2x CAP4000ULF



Note: spend everything on LCR and sub (and add atmos) but use a set of existing polk speakers that I already have for about a decade. Sounded "enough" back then...



Question:

A. Will the system be "balanced" with this mix & match brands ?



Additional general questions:

A1. Will the Emo XPA-DR3 be enough to drive the JTR 215RT ?

The spec shows 2000Watt (!!) for each 215RT. And yet the reviews say that this is a sensitive speaker requiring minimum amp.



Thank you for the feedback.



You may be better off asking this question in the JTR speaker thread as well.

My bias would be option 3.

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hughhugh 06-12-2018 09:01 AM

Ok. Thanks for the advise @imureh

I forgot to add for option 3, one of the concern when using bookshelf is that stereo music playback will be lacking...

brianmlamb 06-12-2018 09:13 AM

Not to throw more complication into your mix, but you may also consider the PSA speakers as an in between for the SVS and JTR's in price and sound quality.

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/coll...ant=6802836868

canadian411 06-12-2018 09:19 AM

I am not really impressed with SVS Ultra subs SB13s that I have. JTR, Seaton or PSA will be better IMO.
PSA updated their lines, V3611.

But I like the finish on SVS Ultras, with that piano gloss (so beautifu !), display, remote, it's hard to decide, so it's trade off I guess.

hughhugh 06-12-2018 10:02 AM

Thanks @Bria mmlamb. You are right. I'd rather not add more options.

@canadian411 : The speakers are going behind the screen. So aesthetics is not as important to me.

sigpig 06-12-2018 10:18 AM

Save yourself $3000 by getting the Noesis 212HTR over the 215RT for LCR - that money can be better put into beefy subwoofers.


I would skip the SVS US and UB speakers for JBL speakers for surround - they will match better and cost much less. I would also suggest JBL in-ceiling speakers for Atmos instead of the SVS Elevations - you also don't need 6 Atmos speakers.


The JTR speakers are so sensitive that they can play WAY above Reference level with a simple AVR - no need to use an amp to drive them. Same with most JBL speakers. Of course, if you're using an AVP you need amps - you will need a total of 11 amp channels for a proper Atmos setup.

hughhugh 06-12-2018 10:31 AM

@sigpig Thanks for the info. I havent really thought about changing the surrounds as an option. Can you tell me which model jbl you are talking about ?

Also, I am interested on how to tell if the surrounds will "match better" to the JTR ?

212HTR is 60hz-24khz. Does that mean I will need a sub ?

The way I understand the posts is that a AVR xan drive the noesis but for the 215RT to run the low frequency well, it needs more power ( 2000w ?? ).
Is this incorrect ?

Edit: btw, for that matter, why 212HTR @$2600 (60hz-24khz) over 212T @$2000 (35hz-20khz)
or 212RT @$2800 (35hz-24khz) ?

mthomas47 06-12-2018 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56331830)
@sigpig Thanks for the info. I havent really thought about changing the surrounds as an option. Can you tell me which model jbl you are talking about ?

Also, I am interested on how to tell if the surrounds will "match better" to the JTR ?

212HTR is 60hz-24khz. Does that mean I will need a sub ?

The way I understand the posts is that a AVR xan drive the noesis but for the 215RT to run the low frequency well, it needs more power ( 2000w ?? ).
Is this incorrect ?


Hi,

Those are actually very efficient speakers which can produce very high SPL with relatively low voltage. There are several things about your options that struck me. First, I don't know whether I would try to swallow the elephant that is a first-class HT system all in one gulp. I would instead concentrate on getting the basic building blocks in place, and then adding to the system in stages.

I believe that you have correctly identified the three speakers in your front soundstage as the most important ones, but whether you will be content to have an HT system that operates without subwoofers is another question. In theory, the 212RT for instance, can take the place of subwoofers, if you push enough volume through them, and if you don't need to go extremely low. But, in practice, their ideal placement as speakers may not be where subwoofers would have worked best with room modes.

(Seeing your edit, I absolutely do think that you could move down to smaller model speakers. Again, that would leave you more funds for first-class subwoofers such as Cap 2400's. As you noted, most of the JTR speakers are intended to achieve very high volume levels, but they are designed to crossover to subs at about 60 or 80Hz.)

So, I would leave myself some margin to add subwoofers if necessary. You also won't have the same means of increasing bass, proportional to other frequencies, that you would have with independently powered subwoofers with their own volume controls. That shouldn't be a factor for pop music (or for most music) but it certainly can be for 5.1 movies with strong low-bass content. My guess is that you will end up wanting subs, and JTR subs (such as Cap 1400's or Cap 2400's) will be much more powerful for the money than PB16's.

I would perhaps go ahead and add surround speakers initially to get me to a 5.1 system, but honestly, I might economize with respect to adding the other speakers all at once. That is what I meant by adding the most important building blocks first. To me, it's a matter of prioritizing what will have the most long-term impact on your sound, and what you won't ever need to subsequently upgrade, versus trying to do everything at once only to discover that you may have long-term holes in your system.

In my opinion, your front soundstage (and in my opinion, your subwoofers for 5.1 movies) will be the most important components and timbre match will be important for those front three speakers. Timbre match will be increasingly less important for surround speakers, and for the subsequent speakers, simply due to the nature and quantity of content they play. Unless you are using something like multi-channel stereo, I think that most of the time, the additional surround and Atmos speakers will mainly be providing ambient effects and reinforcement to the primary content carried by the front three speakers.

I'm not trying to take you too far away from your additional plan, but I did want to give you some things to think about with respect to prioritization. :)

Regards,
Mike

hughhugh 06-12-2018 11:31 AM

@mthomas47 Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I agree with you in regards to prioritization. That was supposed to be option 4 (although I may have picked the wrong models because it ends up as being the most expensive option...)

A factor that I havent discussed is that I am located on the other side of the world. So I will be shipping these via ocean freight. And with ocean freight, multiple small shipments are much more expensive. This is why I'm trying to do this in one go.

And also, there isnt a great secondary market here. So once I buy it, I'd be stuck with it for good.

Anyhow, I dont use multi channel stereo. If anything, I have noticed that for music, I like 2.0 better than 2.1
This is one reason why I'm going for the better LCR.

I was hoping to compensate this by not having to get the subwoofers.

The positioning issue sure does add complexity to it. Although I doubt that at these size and weight, I'd be trying many positions.

I think you are right on the size of the cap though. I'll look at the smaller ones.

sigpig 06-12-2018 03:30 PM

It takes a LOT of amplifier power to play bass and LFE content at reference levels. That's why the Captivator 1400 and 2400 have 1400W and 2400W amps, respectively. This allows your AVR (or power amp) to power your LCR/surround speakers fro, 80Hz on up - frequencies that are much easier to drive.
Since you prefer music in 2.0, then get the 212RTs as they play down to 35Hz. However, a properly integrated and calibrated system will play music louder and with less distortion in 2.1 than 2.0.


You could use these JBL speakers for surrounds: https://www.jblsynthesis.com/productdetail/scl-4.html They aew fairly efficient, and would match the JTRs well. The bonus is that they are in-wall speakers, so they won't take up any real estate in your room.

casperslide2004 06-12-2018 06:09 PM

I have the JTR 212HT-LP, and recently purchased the JTR215RT x2 for LR and the 215RM for the center as well as Single 8s for surrounds and atmos.

If I was given the choice to do it all over, I would buy the 210RM plus stands for LRC, Single 8s for surrounds and two S2s for the subs.

I spent too much on amplifiers to power the 215RT, they are HUGE and don't really allow great placement in my room. I would have saved a lot of money going with the 210RM, been able to power them by an AVR, and I like the bass better with multiple subs vs the 215RTs.


That said, the sound stage of the 215RT is HUGE. They are awesome speakers.

3x210RM = 6900
8xSingle 8s = 7200 - 4 Atmos is plenty :P
2xS2 = 6600

Jeff will give you a 10% discount if you have 10 or more items so you would be around that $19,000 mark with shipping. This would be an amazing system that you wouldn't have upgraditis over. If you wanted to save you could get some different speakers as your atmos speakers.

jjackkrash 06-12-2018 06:41 PM

JBL SCS 8 and JBL Control 328C would likely be a good match for JTR mains if you want to save some cash.

hughhugh 06-12-2018 07:17 PM

Thanks for the feedback @sigpig , @caspers lide, and @jjr ackkrash.

So here is what I gathered so far:
1. Low freq is requires more power and so separate sub is prefered over mains that will go low.
2. 212RT is more appropriate for my need instead of 215RT due to price and 215RT requiring too much power.
Question: 212RT spec shows the need for same amount of power though?

3. For surrounds and heights: svs and polk surrounds does not match well with jtr. Most recommended match is jbl. Preferably jbl scs8 or jbl control 328c.
In between these two, I would probably go for jbl 328c because I'm not too keen on built-in speakers.

4. Sub is still necessary regardless of which mains were chosen.

So far the conclusion would lean towards:
As recommended by @caspers lide
3x210RM = $6900
8xSingle 8s = $7200 (4 Atmos)
2xS2 = $6600
Total = $20,700 (disc to 19000)

Or
3x212RT = $8400
8xJBL SC8 @500 = $4000
2xcap2400 @2600 = $5200
Total = $17,600

I was not anticipating this but it seems that the (in)compatibility of surrounds has become important and increased the total price quite significantly.

Can I ask why JBL is recommended ? Is it from personal experience, or because of the spec ?
What do I look for to figure that a product will be compatible with the jtr mains ?

Again, thanks for the advise guys

imureh 06-12-2018 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56334406)
Thanks for the feedback @sigpig , @caspers lide, and @jjr ackkrash.



So here is what I gathered so far:

1. Low freq is requires more power and so separate sub is prefered over mains that will go low.

2. 212RT is more appropriate for my need instead of 215RT due to price and 215RT requiring too much power.

Question: 212RT spec shows the need for same amount of power though?



3. For surrounds and heights: svs and polk surrounds does not match well with jtr. Most recommended match is jbl. Preferably jbl scs8 or jbl control 328c.

In between these two, I would probably go for jbl 328c because I'm not too keen on built-in speakers.



4. Sub is still necessary regardless of which mains were chosen.



So far the conclusion would lean towards:

As recommended by @caspers lide

3x210RM = $6900

8xSingle 8s = $7200 (4 Atmos)

2xS2 = $6600

Total = $20,700 (disc to 19000)



Or

3x212RT = $8400

8xJBL SC8 @500 = $4000

2xcap2400 @2600 = $5200

Total = $17,600



I was not anticipating this but it seems that the (in)compatibility of surrounds has become important and increased the total price quite significantly.



Can I ask why JBL is recommended ? Is it from personal experience, or because of the spec ?

What do I look for to figure that a product will be compatible with the jtr mains ?



Again, thanks for the advise guys



I think this was suggested but if you wanted to save some cash you could go with a all PSA speaker set up. They are not far off from the JTR 212s. The JTR will just play louder and I tell you PSA play very loud. I don’t see anyone really listening at those deafening levels. @raynist has had both and has said there is very little difference.


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jjackkrash 06-12-2018 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56334406)
8xJBL SC8 @500 = $4000
Can I ask why JBL is recommended ? Is it from personal experience, or because of the spec ?
What do I look for to figure that a product will be compatible with the jtr mains ?

The SCS 8's and 328'c are wide-dispersion cinema speakers (120 x 120 pattern) designed for surround and Atmos duty; they are efficient and can also handle some decent power; and they are point-source co-axials. Other than DIY Sound Group offerings, they are one of the cheaper offerings that could keep up with JTR Mains for surround duty and that also have compression drivers. Shipping aside, at least in the states, they can be had for $300 a pop or so from various JBL Pro distributors like Full Compass or So-Cal Cinetech E.g.,:

https://socalcinetech.com/product/jbl-scs8-speaker/


On the other hand, no way am I mixing JTR's with inefficient speakers with dome tweeters like the SVS offerings.

farsider3000 06-12-2018 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56331138)
I was about to pull the trigger on SVS after months of googling and browsing this forum. But then the JTR keeps popping up.

I cant audition the JTR so any feedback is welcome. .

I don't want to muddy the waters but I did not like the JTR speakers as much as I like their subs ( I own the Captivator S2 and S1) and ended up purchasing all Procella speakers for my theater. Procella should be much easier to find in Europe (is that where you are?) and the P8 for LCR are much, much, smaller and lighter and yet they are extremely dynamic. Honestly the JTR and the Procella are capable of ear bleeding levels.

The JTR had too much sibilance for my taste but I believe Jeff has updated them since I auditioned a few years ago. The JTR speakers are ultra heavy and truly difficult to move around, much less try to ship to someone if you want to sell them someday.

raynist 06-12-2018 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imureh (Post 56334434)
I think this was suggested but if you wanted to save some cash you could go with a all PSA speaker set up. They are not far off from the JTR 212s. The JTR will just play louder and I tell you PSA play very loud. I don’t see anyone really listening at those deafening levels. @raynist has had both and has said there is very little difference.


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There is not much difference between the PSA 210 and the JTR 228’s that I had. The JTR 228’s I had were not the version with the 2 way compression driver and have been updated a few times since then. The difference between the PSA 210 and the JTR 212 HTR and 215 RT versions that have the 2 way compression driver is very large for music and still very noticeable for movies. The price difference is very large also, more than twice and almost 3 times the cost. They really shouldn’t even be considered as competing models because of the price difference. If you were looking at the JTR HT series with the one way compression driver then the PSA speakers should absolutely be considered. I have 2 systems with JTR speakers with the 2 way compression driver and one system with the PSA210’s. The PSA system while awesome is mostly regulated to tv show watching. Any movie watching or music listening is done on the JTR systems because I am spoiled by that 2-way compression driver.

I would vote against the 210RMs for LCR. If you go with the JTR 210 line get the 210RT as they extend deeper.

My vote would be for 212RT’s. If the 212RT’s would have been available when I bought my 215RT’s I likely would have bought those instead as they extend deep enough for music but are just as efficient as the 212HTR’s.

hughhugh 06-13-2018 12:34 AM

Since the PSA MTM210T kept being recommended here, I looked it up also. My impression is that it is basically comparable to the SVS UT ? Many reviews seem to favor neither the UT nor the MTm. How would it be an improvement over option 1 ?

I am liking the JBL SCS8 also.

After considering the options being given here, the JTR mains are probably out of my league. The JTR mains + sub combo is looking too expensive. I like the 212RT but hesitate on getting the lower model JTR because my situation will make it difficult to upgrade. So perhaps I should wait a few more years for that. (Given my luck I'm betting that these will go up in price by the time I think I'll be ready. The JTR just increased in price in early June. A few days after I learnt about it.)
I think the limit would be stretching the budget to $12k-$13k from option 1.


Can I ask if the JTR Cap need to be positioned away from the walls ? I have space for about 1m (3ft-ish) deep for the subs. This will be at the front wall behind the screen. I dont think moving around a sub this size is feasible for the room.

While the room will be used more for HT, if I think about it, I actually appreciate speaker differences more during music listening. My preference is to have the singer sound like they are in the room (is this how "sound stage" is defined ?), over loudness.

hughhugh 06-13-2018 02:49 AM

Perhaps I'd approach it this way to better determine the value.
I found this youtube demo of the 210RT. Lets use this model as a baseline:

Gow would you rate these speakers agains the 210RT ?
210RT / 38-24Khz / $2500
212T / 35-20khz / $2000
212RT / 35-24khz / $2800
212HTR / 60-24khz / $2600
212HT / 60-20khz / $1700

Aside from the frequency, I cant really tell the difference between the 212 models. Is the difference between 20khz vs 24khz between T and RT worth $800/piece ?

Is the 212HT good enough for music ?

canadian411 06-13-2018 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56335384)
Perhaps I'd approach it this way to better determine the value.
I found this youtube demo of the 210RT. Lets use this model as a baseline:
https://youtu.be/7J8IyZ6idxQ

Gow would you rate these speakers agains the 210RT ?
210RT / 38-24Khz / $2500
212T / 35-20khz / $2000
212RT / 35-24khz / $2800
212HTR / 60-24khz / $2600
212HT / 60-20khz / $1700

Aside from the frequency, I cant really tell the difference between the 212 models. Is the difference between 20khz vs 24khz between T and RT worth $800/piece ?

Is the 212HT good enough for music ?


Is this price per speaker ? pair, am I looking at close to $10,000 territory ? This must sound really good ! That's like fighting against high-end Focal, Sonus Faber, Totem etc.

raynist 06-13-2018 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56335384)
Perhaps I'd approach it this way to better determine the value.
I found this youtube demo of the 210RT. Lets use this model as a baseline:
https://youtu.be/7J8IyZ6idxQ

Gow would you rate these speakers agains the 210RT ?
210RT / 38-24Khz / $2500
212T / 35-20khz / $2000
212RT / 35-24khz / $2800
212HTR / 60-24khz / $2600
212HT / 60-20khz / $1700

Aside from the frequency, I cant really tell the difference between the 212 models. Is the difference between 20khz vs 24khz between T and RT worth $800/piece ?

Is the 212HT good enough for music ?

The 212RT is not a lower model.

HTR and RT lines are all equivalent in that they have the 2 way compression driver. The RM line also has this driver but the speakers are a sealed design.

The HT ad T line has a lower end single compression driver.

The HTR and RT line are going to be better for music.

All of the prices are per speaker. They are fantastic!

imureh 06-13-2018 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56335188)
Since the PSA MTM210T kept being recommended here, I looked it up also. My impression is that it is basically comparable to the SVS UT ? Many reviews seem to favor neither the UT nor the MTm. How would it be an improvement over option 1 ?



I am liking the JBL SCS8 also.



After considering the options being given here, the JTR mains are probably out of my league. The JTR mains + sub combo is looking too expensive. I like the 212RT but hesitate on getting the lower model JTR because my situation will make it difficult to upgrade. So perhaps I should wait a few more years for that. (Given my luck I'm betting that these will go up in price by the time I think I'll be ready. The JTR just increased in price in early June. A few days after I learnt about it.)

I think the limit would be stretching the budget to $12k-$13k from option 1.





Can I ask if the JTR Cap need to be positioned away from the walls ? I have space for about 1m (3ft-ish) deep for the subs. This will be at the front wall behind the screen. I dont think moving around a sub this size is feasible for the room.



While the room will be used more for HT, if I think about it, I actually appreciate speaker differences more during music listening. My preference is to have the singer sound like they are in the room (is this how "sound stage" is defined ?), over loudness.



I have compared the ultra and the PSA. There is no comparison between them. The clarity, soundstage, imaging and dynamics on the PSA are much better and so is their efficiency. Check out the the PSA owner speaker thread.


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hughhugh 06-13-2018 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raynist (Post 56335502)
The 212RT is not a lower model.

HTR and RT lines are all equivalent in that they have the 2 way compression driver. The RM line also has this driver but the speakers are a sealed design.

The HT ad T line has a lower end single compression driver.

The HTR and RT line are going to be better for music.

All of the prices are per speaker. They are fantastic!

Thanks for the explanation Raynist.
That clarifies the difference between JRT lines a bit. I had thought the numerics is the marker for different lines.

I have no idea what compression drivers do, so I'd go with testimonials over how they sound.

Do you think the 212T and 212HT good enough for music ?

hughhugh 06-13-2018 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imureh (Post 56335590)
I have compared the ultra and the PSA. There is no comparison between them. The clarity, soundstage, imaging and dynamics on the PSA are much better and so is their efficiency. Check out the the PSA owner speaker thread.


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Thanks Imureh. I've been mainly browsing svs thread and they said glowing reviews on the ultra towers. So I'd like to keep an ear out for objective opinions.

I'll have a look at the psa though.

Naylorman32 06-13-2018 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56336096)
Thanks for the explanation Raynist.
That clarifies the difference between JRT lines a bit. I had thought the numerics is the marker for different lines.

I have no idea what compression drivers do, so I'd go with testimonials over how they sound.

Do you think the 212T and 212HT good enough for music ?


Plenty good for music :) check the classifieds (wink wink)

but in all seriousness yeah if you combine even a half decent sub with the 212's, it will be music to your ears

raynist 06-13-2018 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56336096)
Thanks for the explanation Raynist.
That clarifies the difference between JRT lines a bit. I had thought the numerics is the marker for different lines.

I have no idea what compression drivers do, so I'd go with testimonials over how they sound.

Do you think the 212T and 212HT good enough for music ?

I am sure they would, I haven’t heard them myself.

I am the type that always has buyers remorse. I think it would be worth the price upgrade to get the HTR/RT line if music is important to you.

These speakers will last a lifetime so the cost of ownership over the years isn’t that bad.

hughhugh 06-13-2018 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by raynist (Post 56336154)
I am sure they would, I haven’t heard them myself.

I am the type that always has buyers remorse. I think it would be worth the price upgrade to get the HTR/RT line if music is important to you.

These speakers will last a lifetime so the cost of ownership over the years isn’t that bad.

I hear you sir.
I have the same conditions.
Upon reading, I see that "what if" is more common a condition than I had thought.

The thing is, the mains and sub will now eat up the entire budget plus more...

raynist 06-13-2018 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hughhugh (Post 56336178)
I hear you sir.
I have the same conditions.
Upon reading, I see that "what if" is more common a condition than I had thought.

The thing is, the mains and sub will now eat up the entire budget plus more...

That is the most important part of the system though.

You can get away with lesser surrounds until you can save up for them

Not sure where you are located but DIY Soundgroup has incredible speakers for surrounds if you can glue a box together and paint it. For about $250 per speaker you can build Volt 6, 8’s or 10’s. That is what I use with my JTR speakers and they keep up easily.

hughhugh 06-13-2018 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raynist (Post 56336222)
That is the most important part of the system though.

You can get away with lesser surrounds until you can save up for them

Not sure where you are located but DIY Soundgroup has incredible speakers for surrounds if you can glue a box together and paint it. For about $250 per speaker you can build Volt 6, 8’s or 10’s. That is what I use with my JTR speakers and they keep up easily.

The Volt were mentioned somewhere above (perhaps by you ?) But I cant find a manufacturer website on it.

In place of the Volts someone recommended the JBL SRC8 (I think) above.

I am curious on what makes the volt and jbl a compatible surround option, and the svs/polk a poor one ?


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