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I got my order in, 3 x A2.4 for me.

Thanks for all the time and effort.
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Was just looking at the 3020i. You're right, they look great! Do you think I could use them with a 2.4 center, then move them to surrounds with LRC 2.4s if/when I upgrade in the not to distant future? Some people seem to think it's important to match speakers, and I've seen other people say it doesn't matter at all, especially with surrounds.
Here is a pic of my son’s room with QA3020i and Emotiva C1 Center
The C1 blends good with the QA3020i
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If I did do the C1 or A2.4 as the center, would you recommend using their associated bookshelfs for l/r & surrounds or stick with the QA 3020's?

Sorry for asking hypotheticals, I know you really would have to test to be sure, but your hypothetical guess/suggestion would be a much more educated guess than mine!

I've seen it suggested in the forums several times to stick with the same line for l/r/c, which is why I'm asking. However, that suggestion may change when you're considering very low budget options as we're discussing here. Interested to here your thoughts. Thanks.
I bought my son the C1 for the QA3020i

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First off, thank you so much for the review! Your timing couldn't have been any better!

I wanted to ask if you guys had any concerns with the QA 3090CI utilizing 4" speakers for home theater? It is the center channel for the 3020ci, which doesn't seem to be available in the US yet. At least, it's not showing up on their website atm. https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/q3000i-...e-speaker.html

I know it's hard to say without actually listening to them, but I'm curious if you guys had any thoughts/speculations on the matter. I'm looking at purchasing speakers in the next couple of months in the sub $300 range for HT, so I'd like to how the 3020ci's and the 3090ci stack up vs. some of the other budget options that were tested with their matching center channels having larger 5" & 6" speakers.

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The 3020's get excellent reviews and @mpk1970 really liked them as well. The 3090 on the other hand gets some mixed reviews. Zorba auditioned it a little while back and wasn't overly impressed. The Chane A2.4 and Emotiva C1 and C2 are hard to beat in this price range.
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The 3020's get excellent reviews and @mpk1970 really liked them as well. The 3090 on the other hand gets some mixed reviews. Zorba auditioned it a little while back and wasn't overly impressed. The Chane A2.4 and Emotiva C1 and C2 are hard to beat in this price range.
The C2 is a beast and better than the CHane A2.4
It’s amazing. Making the HT experience captivating and more dynamic. It’s a helluva center.
A2.4 little better than the C1.
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@Category5 is working on his findings....

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Thank you for the review. Very timely. I was just asking about speakers set up for my basement HT in this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...er-set-up.html

I originally planned to get Emotiva all around (B1s, C1, E1s.) With this review I will definitely look into QA3020i as an option.
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Thank you for the review. Very timely. I was just asking about speakers set up for my basement HT in this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...er-set-up.html

I originally planned to get Emotiva all around (B1s, C1, E1s.) With this review I will definitely look into QA3020i as an option.
QA3020i with CHane A2.4center or Emotiva C1 Center would be good.
The B1s are good too... QA3020i just a little more exciting and dynamic
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QA3020i with CHane A2.4center or Emotiva C1 Center would be good.
The B1s are good too... QA3020i just a little more exciting and dynamic
They are the same price so it might come down to look and a coin toss Though the B1 does have a smaller footprint.
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They are the same price so it might come down to look and a coin toss Though the B1 does have a smaller footprint.
the answer is: try them both , send back the loser.. better to eat the shipping than 2nd guess yourself ...

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Yeah I'm running a 50W Marantz 1606. Definitely don't think it can push the Emotiva towers. Planning to upgrade it next year some time but for now it's what I have.
I haven't checked the specs on those, but towers usually have higher sensitivity than the corresponding bookshelves.
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I haven't checked the specs on those, but towers usually have higher sensitivity than the corresponding bookshelves.
Hmm the T2's are 91dB, but at 4 ohms they seem like they'd be a lot harder to drive than an 8ohm 90dB Chane 2.4. Also and maybe I"m just wrong but I assume the larger drivers are harder to drive? The Chane has 3 drivers two being 5.25 the T2 has a 5.25 mid and 2 8" woofers. Emotiva recommends 100W minimum for them. Anyway, I did finally order the Chanes earlier this evening. Was going to do it a couple days ago after finishing my comparisons of some things over the weekend but saw this review was coming and held off to see the results.

edit: plus I just really don't have room for towers right now Maybe the next house

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Hmm the T2's are 91dB, but at 4 ohms they seem like they'd be a lot harder to drive than an 8ohm 90dB Chane 2.4. Also and maybe I"m just wrong but I assume the larger drivers are harder to drive? The Chane has 3 drivers two being 5.25 the T2 has a 5.25 mid and 2 8" woofers. Emotiva recommends 100W minimum for them. Anyway, I did finally order the Chanes earlier this evening. Was going to do it a couple days ago after finishing my comparisons of some things over the weekend but saw this review was coming and held off to see the results.

edit: plus I just really don't have room for towers right now Maybe the next house
I'm having no problems driving the T2s
To be fair, I may have only 3-4 hrs on them...They growing on me.
I have 100W 7.2 Marantz and Outlaw 5000 amp

The "Beast" aka Emotiva C2 center has dramatically enhanced HT. Really like the Emotiva set up.....
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How did you mount the B1 rears? Any idea how they compare to the Emotiva E1s? Thanks.
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Whoa, that C2 is a beast! It's about 1-foot longer than the 2.4.

Bit off topic, but I'll need a receiver to go with these speakers. Was looking at the Denon X1300W, Denon X1400h, Denon X2300W, and Yamaha V683. About a $50 difference between the 1300W at the low end and the 2300w at the high end. Leaning towards the Yamaha right now. Any suggestions? Thanks!
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The C2 is a beast and better than the CHane A2.4

It’s amazing. Making the HT experience captivating and more dynamic. It’s a helluva center.

A2.4 little better than the C1.


It makes sense that the C2 would seem better for movies; it's throwing a LOT of HF energy into the room. It rises 8dB from 1.2khz to 8khz. Even more pronounced than the rise built into some RAAL designs.

Fun? Sure. But that artificial rise is more boom-sizzle than Jon prefers.

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With the same EQ applied, I bet the A2.4 sounds nearly identical. Mayhaps Emotiva, having the luxury of knowing that the C2 can't be tilted on its side and used for LCR, means they chose to tune in some artificial sweetening EQ? An EQ curve that would simply not be acceptable in a two channel environment.

Can't say I blame them. May even be a smart move. But as soundtracks continue to be mixed and mastered better, I wonder if that gamble might be just that; a gamble.

EDIT: The T2 actually has a similar built-in curve, but much less drastic; 4+dB from 4khz to 12khz. Still more than double the perceived acoustical output from 4khz up to 12khz and roughly double (3dB) starting just past 1khz up through 12khz. That would certainly add some perceived sparkle and make the perceived soundstage seem larger and with an added sense of air. T2 tower also from Home Theater HiFi:



I tend to find that this kind of artificial sparkle is significantly LESS desirable when playing high bitrate, high sample rate (96khz/24bit and higher) FLAC files that have been properly mastered. It turns those otherwise near-perfect, special recordings into fatigue monsters.


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The C2 is a beast and better than the CHane A2.4
It’s amazing. Making the HT experience captivating and more dynamic. It’s a helluva center.
A2.4 little better than the C1.
This is what I needed to hear. Thank you MPK!
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I'm not sure what Emotiva tuned in, but I am looking for a center that sounds good in a primarily HT environment - even if the charts show a non-flat response.

I initially looked at Emotiva before moving on to CCB-8's, but I will circle back again. As I said, I like music, but my use will be 90% HT.
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I'm not sure what Emotiva tuned in, but I am looking for a center that sounds good in a primarily HT environment - even if the charts show a non-flat response.



I initially looked at Emotiva before moving on to CCB-8's, but I will circle back again. As I said, I like music, but my use will be 90% HT.


And indeed on many soundtracks it may sound good. But, that EQ curve can be digitally added to virtually any loudspeaker.

True neutrality, however, cannot be "added" back in.


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Even more pronounced than the rise built into RAAL designs.
You mean the maybe 1-3 dB bump after 10k on some speakers with a RAAL tweeter?


http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/BMR...armonitor.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...T/srtmeas.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...n/hormeas.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages.../srm2meas.html

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I'm counting 4-5dB rise from 3.1khz to past 10khz just on the first functional link.

I certainly didn't mean ALL RAAL designs if that's what you're alluding to. See Dennis's work on his big boy tower and Dave's work on the horizon center for evidence of that.


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The graph on the A2.4 looks pretty darn good by the way. Its nice to see some measurements.
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I understand what you're saying Buford (love that movie by the way).

But I'm not an audiophile and really wouldn't know to bump a frequency to make it sound more like what I'm wanting to hear.

Maybe I should learn how and that would open up a lot to my ears.

I might be an outlier, but I think most people are primarily looking for great sounding speakers for HT use and a bit of music and want to simply hook speakers up, set crossovers and run Audyssey or YPAO, etc. and be done with it.

(I don't mean AVS members, I mean the general public)

I know when I buy new equipment, I play around with it a lot at first, but life intrudes and I get busy, and later I just want it to sound good when I turn it on and start the BR player.
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Link to @Category5 write up on the Audition

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/index...topics/2992668
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I understand what you're saying Buford (love that movie by the way).



But I'm not an audiophile and really wouldn't know to bump a frequency to make it sound more like what I'm wanting to hear.



Maybe I should learn how and that would open up a lot to my ears.



I might be an outlier, but I think most people are primarily looking for great sounding speakers for HT use and a bit of music and want to simply hook speakers up, set crossovers and run Audyssey or YPAO, etc. and be done with it.



(I don't mean AVS members, I mean the general public)



I know when I buy new equipment, I play around with it a lot at first, but life intrudes and I get busy, and later I just want it to sound good when I turn it on and start the BR player.


I hear you and I certainly didn't take what you said the wrong way at all. You like what you like.

And, you're also correct about the average buying public. Anything but a sound bar with a wireless bass box and they complain about size. Lol

My only caveat to what you said is that, when significantly deviating from a neutral design, "good" sounds good until it DOESN'T. And that extra sweetness can sometimes turn sour when material that is already "sweet" is played. That's all.

It's the argument of neutrality (and not just in the amplitude domain, either) that has brought great and deserved success to Dennis Murphy, Dave F, Jon Lane, and others.... And it's created some truly happy, long-term-satisfied system owners from each of those companies. Something to think about.

But, and I reiterate, you like what you like. And if you prefer more of a British, "smiley face" EQ, I don't have the hubris to tell you you're wrong. In fact, knowing that could make speaker shopping much easier for you by narrowing the herd considerably if flatter designs like Ascend, Philharmonic, and Chane are not your thing.

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I'm not sure what Emotiva tuned in, but I am looking for a center that sounds good in a primarily HT environment - even if the charts show a non-flat response.

I initially looked at Emotiva before moving on to CCB-8's, but I will circle back again. As I said, I like music, but my use will be 90% HT.
everybody seems to like the c2, it's pretty universal so far... the c1 is going to be great in a smaller room as well.. i think it may be a dead heat with the chane a2.4 ...you probably could be happy with any one of the 3 depending on room size / set up..
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The C2 is a beast and better than the CHane A2.4
It’s amazing. Making the HT experience captivating and more dynamic. It’s a helluva center.
A2.4 little better than the C1.

Which do you think will sound better :

1) 3020i for L/R + Chane A2.4
2) Chane 1.4 + Chane 2.4 ??
3) Change A2.4 L/R/C

Room is 13x12 with 14ft ceiling...
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Which do you think will sound better :

1) 3020i for L/R + Chane A2.4
2) Chane 1.4 + Chane 2.4 ??
3) Change A2.4 L/R/C

Room is 13x12 with 14ft ceiling...
3) is going to sound the best .. but is that a comfortable budget for you?

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Actually, @BufordTJustice , thinking about a neutral EQ, I may prefer that. It's just that I haven't heard it much because I didn't know how to set up a more neutral curve.

This may be apples to oranges, but here is an example --

I have a Tesla, which has a high-end OEM audio system. It provides an extensive EQ to tweak. When I bought the car, I did the "smiley face" EQ and thought, that sounds good; heavy bass, high tweeters sound, etc.

But at high volume levels, there was distortion in one ear (not the speakers), but in one ear. (I wear a hearing aid in my left ear).

Then I read on the Tesla forum a post by an audio engineer that showed what the EQ settings should be for a neutral curve.

I tried those settings - and the sound level was a bit lower, so I turned it up.

And I loved it. No more distortion in my ears. And the sounds was more natural and clean sounding. At low volume or at high volume.
So maybe that is what I am seeking and will love it when I hear it.
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