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My room is tile floor but I do have a rug covering most of it.
Left wall is a series of windows with blinds, no drapes.
High, sloped ceiling.
Leather furniture.
No paintings.

Maybe I am headed for disaster with an all front lineup of CCB-8's...
I don’t believe your room is a disaster for the CCB8’s. You’d be surprised how much a rug in between your MLP & the fronts make a difference. I think if you found some cheap drapes you’d be golden. I seen some on amazon for like $10 yesterday that didn’t look ghetto. If I can find them I’ll edit back.

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i find it curious that the b1 (without a sub) didn't stand out , while the t2s (that don't need a sub for music) were high on the happy list... all this while they have the exact same mid cone and tweeter..
Well that’s what gets me as if it wasn’t the tweeter & we know both have solid midbass; unless a drastic difference in crossover design I think the room played heavily into this equation. Which is fine, just an observation. I do wish @Category5 could’ve heard the C2 also, I’d like another account of it.

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Right on all accounts. We werent using room EQ and left to there own devices in that room they were too much. I left with the CCB8's and I wouldnt have taken any other speaker there on swap.
No that makes sense, in a bright room w/ no EQ I could see how they would be a little obtrusive. Tweeter wise what do you think was the closest to the CCB8’s? Whether the budget group or the higher end stuff.

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They sounded different than in my room. Definitely a great learning experience into how much room interaction matters.
Yes this proves how important picking a speaker based on your room makes a difference. As I told @aohurst above that even having a large rug in between your fronts & MLP would make the CCB8’s more appealing.

Also you & @mpk1970 how would you compare the Chane A2.4–or maybe the A1.4 vs the Phils AA’s? I’m curious in a direct comparison as they’re a similar price range but totally different designs

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Are you sure they have same tweeter or are you think T1

I thought C2 and T2 have diff tweeters?
I believe so but don’t quote me on that. Although you may be right maybe the 1’s have the same tweeters. Hell idk I’ll check and edit back

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C2 drivers
High frequency driver: 25×32 mm Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeter.
Midrange drivers: 3” woven fiber cones (2).
Low frequency drivers: 6-1/2” woven fiber cones (2).

T2 drivers
High frequency driver: 25×32 mm Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeter.
Midrange driver: 5-1/4” woven fiber cone.
Low frequency drivers: 8” woven fiber cones (2).

B1 drivers
High frequency driver: 25×32 mm Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeter.
Low frequency driver: 5-1/4” woven fiber cone with SBR surround.

C1 drivers
High frequency driver: 25×32 mm Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeter.
Midrange drivers: 3” woven fiber cone.
Low frequency drivers: 5-1/4” woven fiber cones (2).

Seems they all have the same drivers.
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Wow! You guys are blowing my mind right now. Such a small world. I lived in Newburgh, IN from '79-'92. Spent many a Sunday with my dad at Ellis Park.
Holy smokes it really is a small world. I go to Newburgh all of the time. I live on the northend of Henderson so Evansville/Newburgh is not far at all. BTW, you do realize that the movie "A League of Their Own" was filmed at Ellis Park? You know, "there is no crying in baseball" thing........LOL!!!! I was at Funky's one night and both Madonna and Gena Davis came in for a look. Will never forget it. Rosie O' Donnell was supposedly there as well. However, I did not see her or Tom Hanks. Those sure were the days!


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All the Emotivas have 32mm folded ribbon

Surprising
T2s are really good, dymamic, more full range obviously
Just seemed not in the same family....

C2 is just awesome nothing else to describe it

If somebody wanted to go no Subs
You can definitely do it with T2s and C2 as center and have a very good system.
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All the Emotivas have 32mm folded ribbon

Surprising
T2s are really good, dymamic, more full range obviously
Just seemed not in the same family....

C2 is just awesome nothing else to describe it

If somebody wanted to go no Subs
You can definitely do it with T2s and C2 as center and have a very good system.
They very well may have different crossover designs.

I told myself the C2 would be my next purchase but, I want to do some HTM 12’s across the LCR.

Although $350 vs $1,100 I may as well get the C2 first. It seems like the best value center under 1k.
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i find it curious that the b1 (without a sub) didn't stand out , while the t2s (that don't need a sub for music) were high on the happy list... all this while they have the exact same mid cone and tweeter..
The T2 has a phase plug on the midrange driver -- and the crossovers are different -- not exactly the same
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All the Emotivas have 32mm folded ribbon

Surprising
T2s are really good, dymamic, more full range obviously
Just seemed not in the same family....

C2 is just awesome nothing else to describe it

If somebody wanted to go no Subs
You can definitely do it with T2s and C2 as center and have a very good system.
i am just of the opinion that the b1 & 3020i( or b6.2) are not the same speaker without a sub.. they are designed to be used with a sub for full range music.. i understand that you guys had time constraints , but the fact that you both really liked the t2 but not so much the almost identical (mid / treble) b1 would have sent up a big red flag to me if i was demo'ing..
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All the Emotivas have 32mm folded ribbon

Surprising
T2s are really good, dymamic, more full range obviously
Just seemed not in the same family....

C2 is just awesome nothing else to describe it

If somebody wanted to go no Subs
You can definitely do it with T2s and C2 as center and have a very good system.
i am just of the opinion that the b1 & 3020i( or b6.2) are not the same speaker without a sub.. they are designed to be used with a sub for full range music.. i understand that you guys had time constraints , but the fact that you both really liked the t2 but not so much the almost identical (mid / treble) b1 would have sent up a big red flag to me if i was demo'ing..
I hear what you're saying but another example is the Chane A1.4 & Chane A2.4
Same tweeter but A2.4 a lot better in every way, shape, form

Other examples are Phil's RAAL tweeter speakers
Im sure the mini is good but not on same level as the bigger with RAAL
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I hear what you're saying but another example is the Chane A1.4 & Chane A2.4
Same tweeter but A2.4 a lot better in every way, shape, form

Other examples are Phil's RAAL tweeter speakers
Im sure the mini is good but not on same level as the bigger with RAAL
i agree with that , but it still doesn't account for the obvious design factors, notably the design of bookshelf speakers(that are designed) to be used with subs .. i agree that the a1.4 is not the a2.4 performance wise... unless you add a sub, then in some applications the a1.4 becomes the equal of the a2.4 (low to mid volume with music being notable)...and i agree that dynamics are a BIG part of value.. but the smaller speakers are hindered by limiting testing to 2.0, when they **clearly** excel at 2.1...but all in all it is a small gripe in the big picture... and the a2.4's are clearly the better speaker.. my contention is the b1's or b6.2s may well be a better *value* with a sub added compared to the t2's or the chanes w/ a sub... just a random thought as i was reading your reviews...

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@mpk1970 ... how was the imaging off-axis for the C2?

If I'm not dead center, is the still dialogue clean for HT?
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Very good! Right here in Henderson-born and reared. Love Owensboro b/c I love me some Moonlite BBQ! The mutton is to die for. BTW, I live less than 2-miles from Ellis Park.....LOL!!!!! Seen on my local news that it has been sold. Not sure what is going on there though. Alice in Chains is one of my favs. Lots of talent. Just wished Staley did not pass away. Next time you are up this way give me a shout. Maybe we could grab some Moonlite.........LOL!!!!


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PS We could also go by Ty's shop albeit Tyler Acoustics so you can hear his Taylo Reference Monitors or his Linbrook Signature Monitors. Ty is one very nice guy. His speakers are incredible to say the least.
Moonlite is the $#&*!!! Haven't had me any for probably 6-8 years though sadly. Miss me some good mutton and burgoo! My family would also sometimes do their own pit cooked mutton and those damn 55 gallon drums full of burgoo. Some of that was even better than Moonlite if you can believe. Don't know the next time I'll make it back, but will try to remember to let you know when I do. Would be nice to hear those.


.....really got me wanting to get back sooner than later after thinking about that food

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Wow! You guys are blowing my mind right now. Such a small world. I lived in Newburgh, IN from '79-'92. Spent many a Sunday with my dad at Ellis Park.
Guessing you've had Moonlite bbq too? Sooo good


BTW.....would be interested to hear more about your new RBH speakers vs the q100s in your home setup after you've had some time with them.. I have the older version of the RBH (R5BI) speakers and my kefs replaced them. It was a pretty close battle for me, but the detail of the kefs was what won me over.
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I hear what you're saying but another example is the Chane A1.4 & Chane A2.4
Same tweeter but A2.4 a lot better in every way, shape, form

Other examples are Phil's RAAL tweeter speakers
Im sure the mini is good but not on same level as the bigger with RAAL
i agree with that , but it still doesn't account for the obvious design factors, notably the design of bookshelf speakers(that are designed) to be used with subs .. i agree that the a1.4 is not the a2.4 performance wise... unless you add a sub, then in some applications the a1.4 becomes the equal of the a2.4 (low to mid volume with music being notable)...and i agree that dynamics are a BIG part of value.. but the smaller speakers are hindered by limiting testing to 2.0, when they **clearly** excel at 2.1...but all in all it is a small gripe in the big picture... and the a2.4's are clearly the better speaker.. my contention is the b1's or b6.2s may well be a better *value* with a sub added compared to the t2's or the chanes w/ a sub... just a random thought as i was reading your reviews...
Very good points
However, even with sub there is noticeable difference imo with the T2s
And with A2.4s
Depends on center but same.center for all
Ive listened to all QA3020i, B6 2.0, chanes 1.4 etc....

They fall short to A2.4 still (A2.4 center)
And really fall short with T2

If it were that easy ebody would rush out buy $300 bookshelf then say im done
They all the same with sub
High volumes matter
Dynamics
Wide disperson
Etc...
So many factors

Can the $300 speakers do good with sub oh yah
After all ive got 6 pairs of $300 books lol
(Only QA3020i in my sons have subs)

Qa3020
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The T2 has a phase plug on the midrange driver -- and the crossovers are different -- not exactly the same
i have heard the t2's are a little "warmer".. could be the crossover difference ..

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i have heard the t2's are a little "warmer".. could be the crossover difference ..
The B1 woofer/mid has to handle bass duties, which can put more stress on the woofer -- the tweeter on the B1 also has to play lower. The midrange on the T2 does not kick in till around 350 Hz which is less stress on the driver -- and the tweeter on the T2 does not have to play as low. The radiating pattern on the 2 drivers are also different - as the B1 has a regular dust cap on the woofer. Plus it should not be a real surprise that a good well designed 3-way speaker should stand out some.
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The B1 woofer/mid has to handle bass duties, which can put more stress on the woofer -- the tweeter on the B1 also has to play lower. The midrange on the T2 does not kick in till around 350 Hz which is less stress on the driver -- and the tweeter on the T2 does not have to play as low. The radiating pattern on the 2 drivers are also different - as the B1 has a regular dust cap on the woofer. Plus it should not be a real surprise that a good well designed 3-way speaker should stand out some.
i would agree with every bit of your statement...would you think that as volume increases the advantages become more apparent ? or is it purely a frequency/ crossover issue ?

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Well you may be f*cked lol.

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Thanks for your thoughts, time and effort. Yes, these days we are spoiled by the vast variety of good choices in speaker land. No mention of the DefTec D9s though. Were they benched for a rules infraction?
Ditto...

A post in the original thread [post #194] seemed like an authentic wow moment to me—"WOuld it be fair to just stop this "speaker challenge" now?...Wow!! The Def Tech D9s just blew my socks off...The clarity, detail, soundstage are superb...Complete shock from Def Tech didn't even think they would perform like this."

I'm curious: What are your thoughts with respect to the Definitive Technology D9 loudspeaker, Category5?
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i would agree with every bit of your statement...would you think that as volume increases the advantages become more apparent ? or is it purely a frequency/ crossover issue ?
The T2 can handle more power, their woofers give them that advantage -- everything works as a whole, which includes the crossover and the cabinet.
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Moonlite is the $#&*!!! Haven't had me any for probably 6-8 years though sadly. Miss me some good mutton and burgoo! My family would also sometimes do their own pit cooked mutton and those damn 55 gallon drums full of burgoo. Some of that was even better than Moonlite if you can believe. Don't know the next time I'll make it back, but will try to remember to let you know when I do. Would be nice to hear those.


.....really got me wanting to get back sooner than later after thinking about that food



Guessing you've had Moonlite bbq too? Sooo good


BTW.....would be interested to hear more about your new RBH speakers vs the q100s in your home setup after you've had some time with them.. I have the older version of the RBH (R5BI) speakers and my kefs replaced them. It was a pretty close battle for me, but the detail of the kefs was what won me over.
If you or Category5 are ever up my way again, then let me know. Maybe we all could meet up and go eat at Moonlite. While in Owensboro, why not go check out Ty's speaker facility? He has moved to a much smaller facility that is directly across the street from where he was originally. Heck, Ty might even be willing to join us for dinner. Just amazed that the world really is small so to speak. Thanks!


Cheers,

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Thanks for your thoughts, time and effort. Yes, these days we are spoiled by the vast variety of good choices in speaker land. No mention of the DefTec D9s though. Were they benched for a rules infraction?
Ditto...

A post in the original thread [post #194] seemed like an authentic wow moment to me—"WOuld it be fair to just stop this "speaker challenge" now?...Wow!! The Def Tech D9s just blew my socks off...The clarity, detail, soundstage are superb...Complete shock from Def Tech didn't even think they would perform like this."

I'm curious: What are your thoughts with respect to the Definitive Technology D9 loudspeaker, Category5?
Shame on me
Briefly they sounded fabulous
Til I realized a few song tracks were louder, more dynamic then a few others so I had to remember this and compensate

I would assume @Category5 felt the same as me
So many better speakers we had especially for a $700+ price tag
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The T2 can handle more power, their woofers give them that advantage -- everything works as a whole, which includes the crossover and the cabinet.
that's kind of what i was eventually going to get to.. the t2 has advantages that are masked/ somewhat eliminated by paring the bookshelf's with a competent sub... creating more value.(in the smaller speaker)... remember .. i am just picking knits here.. it's somebody else's comp, and they did a great job overall ....

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Very good points
However, even with sub there is noticeable difference imo with the T2s
And with A2.4s
Depends on center but same.center for all
Ive listened to all QA3020i, B6 2.0, chanes 1.4 etc....

They fall short to A2.4 still (A2.4 center)
And really fall short with T2
Welcome to towers!

When is the $3000 tower shootout planned ?
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Very good points
However, even with sub there is noticeable difference imo with the T2s
And with A2.4s
Depends on center but same.center for all
Ive listened to all QA3020i, B6 2.0, chanes 1.4 etc....

They fall short to A2.4 still (A2.4 center)
And really fall short with T2

If it were that easy ebody would rush out buy $300 bookshelf then say im done
They all the same with sub
High volumes matter
Dynamics
Wide disperson
Etc...
So many factors

Can the $300 speakers do good with sub oh yah
After all ive got 6 pairs of $300 books lol
(Only QA3020i in my sons have subs)

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Don't sweat it Mike, you guys did a great job.

No way would I expect a similar two way design from a given manufacturer to compete with a three way design, even if the three way design were a bookshelf let alone a tower.

Sub or no sub.

I think Emotiva has set the standard with "budget" 3 way centers.

I would expect a 6.5" bookshelf from them down the road, or maybe a $499/pair of 3 way bookshelves with 6.5" drivers.
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Don't sweat it Mike, you guys did a great job.

No way would I expect a similar two way design from a given manufacturer to compete with a three way design, even if the three way design were a bookshelf let alone a tower.

Sub or no sub.

I think Emotiva has set the standard with "budget" 3 way centers.

I would expect a 6.5" bookshelf from them down the road, or maybe a $499/pair of 3 way bookshelves with 6.5" drivers.
i know i started all this " nay saying" and i didn't mean it to be a reflection on the hard work and time the 2 reviewers put forth.. not to mention the money outlay... it just peaked my interest when he liked the t2's so much yet thought the b1s were so-so.. it's his opinion and i don't want to question the outcome, *but* ,i feel like the outcome ,at least in respect to value may have been significantly different had they tested the smaller speakers with a sub.. but that's not how they did it , and that's ok too.. as Bill Parcels' says "it is what it is"
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i know i started all this " nay saying" and i didn't mean it to be a reflection on the hard work and time the 2 reviewers put forth.. not to mention the money outlay... it just peaked my interest when he liked the t2's so much yet thought the b1s were so-so.. it's his opinion and i don't want to question the outcome, *but* ,i feel like the outcome ,at least in respect to value may have been significantly different had they tested the smaller speakers with a sub.. but that's not how they did it , and that's ok too.. as Bill Parcels' says "it is what it is"
Category5 and Mike's views on the "budget" bookshelves were remarkably similar.

When I tested 3 bookshelves several years ago, in the end, I would have been perfectly happy with any of them, (none of those were in this shootout).

I'm easy to please I guess!
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i know i started all this " nay saying" and i didn't mean it to be a reflection on the hard work and time the 2 reviewers put forth.. not to mention the money outlay... it just peaked my interest when he liked the t2's so much yet thought the b1s were so-so.. it's his opinion and i don't want to question the outcome, *but* ,i feel like the outcome ,at least in respect to value may have been significantly different had they tested the smaller speakers with a sub.. but that's not how they did it , and that's ok too.. as Bill Parcels' says "it is what it is"
I’m w/ LP here, I was in no way nagging at their shootout, it is very much appreciated. Category driving across the state, both of them shelling out thousands of dollars to buy all these speakers, their time to listen, write up the thread, etc. it’s much appreciated @Category5 & @mpk1970

Like LP stated, I also found it intriguing that the B1’s brother was very much loved while the B1 was “so so”. Which is totally fine, everyone hears differently, audio is subjective, plus the room is a big factor here.

No ill intentions here, just discussing the conclusions. You two did the forum a big favor & I’m sure influenced many sells of many brands.
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Category5 and Mike's views on the "budget" bookshelves were remarkably similar.

When I tested 3 bookshelves several years ago, in the end, I would have been perfectly happy with any of them, (none of those were in this shootout).

I'm easy to please I guess!
i would think any of the $300 offerings would be good in the correct room set up..and of course value is subjective.. and i have heard enough speakers to know 3 way is most always better than 2 way(all things being equal).. anyway , i didn't mean to make a big thing of it , i was just picking nits on a portion of the results.... i really like the effort for the "cause" as it were..
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i have heard the t2's are a little "warmer".. could be the crossover difference ..
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Think of a singing voice with a range ... as you get to the edges of the range, the voice is not quite as controlled and clear as it was towards the center of the range. Same with drivers. Yeah, they can do XHz - YHz on paper, but in practice, maybe things get a little ragged as you approach X and Y. So, I suspect if you look at the T2's crossover point, you'll see that the tweeter is having to work less hard (crossed over higher) than it's bookshelf cousin.

We see this played out every day, here on the forum, having speakers that reach down to 50 Hz crossed over to the sub at 80 Hz, usually resulting in improved sound from the mains.

There are also crossover topology aspects, but that's above my pay grade.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Think of a singing voice with a range ... as you get to the edges of the range, the voice is not quite as controlled and clear as it was towards the center of the range. Same with drivers. Yeah, they can do XHz - YHz on paper, but in practice, maybe things get a little ragged as you approach X and Y. So, I suspect if you look at the T2's crossover point, you'll see that the tweeter is having to work less hard (crossed over higher) than it's bookshelf cousin.

We see this played out every day, here on the forum, having speakers that reach down to 50 Hz crossed over to the sub at 80 Hz, usually resulting in improved sound from the mains.

There are also crossover topology aspects, but that's above my pay grade.
my wharfedale 10.1s are an example of the sub crossover equation you presented... i usually cross with the sub at 80 hz ,, they sound wonderful ,, if i run them full range i notice the bass gets a little boomy, it's not earth shattering but noticeable ..

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