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Just bought these new speakers Kef q100

Before i start I know they're are some threads on this speaker (since it's getting old now), but i didn't want to reply to a very old post.

So since i tried the Kef q100 after reading all the good reviews, i have to say they are a little disappointing. I don't really believe that burn in time make a huge difference so...

I have a Yamaha rv-475 powering them (can't find the mic to calibrate them YPAO, so i fix the equalizer by ear).

I'm auditioning them next to a pair of Edifier 1850 Db and i can't find a huge difference in clarity , separation. I find the Edifier to actually a better bass and very close mids and treble quality.

Another minus is they are on the bright side a little like many have mentioned on the fourm. I kind of regret of not going for the Elac Ub5 (or any good Elac), they seem a lot better for music (i listen 60% music, 40% HT).

Perhaps i should change amps or just buy other speakers (warmer and more bass for music)?
I have a very average Polk PSW10

I'm can't really return the speakers so i will have to sell them in a local add(if that's my decision)...
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Lots of folks mentioned a bright quality to those speakers. So, now you know that bright speakers are not for you. Chalk it up to a learning experience and get what you can on the used market to put towards a different choice.

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I really thought the brightness tamed after about 3 weeks of listening (played them for at least a few hours a day on average). Whether it was the speaker changing or my ears adjusting (or a combination) I can't say, but I will say I that they sounded less harsh to my ears after that timeframe. You should also be able to tame it some by turning down the treble. There were a few other settings on my Yamaha that helped, but I cannot remember exactly what they were. I believe maybe there was a YPAO setting and putting them to natural sounded a little better to my ears. Not sure if you have that on your receiver though.

You may also try changing up the positioning of the speakers. I know many will tend to toe the speakers in towards the listening position, but I have heard many state that with these kefs, you can just point them straight ahead. This has had the effect for some of taming some of that brightness as well. Of course every room is different, so what works for others may not work for you.

If you do want better bass, you should really upgrade your subwoofer. I went from your same PSW10 sub to a HSU VTF-3 mk5 and there really is no contest there. While the q100s have a decent amount of bass on their own, it is like adding a whole other dimension of sound when I turn the HSU sub with them.

Since you are not able to return them, then perhaps you could give them a few weeks to see if your impressions change any. You may very well feel the same as you do now. If so, then you certainly know to stay away from any bright speakers going forward. Good luck to you.
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Use them for surrounds or Atmos
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i have the q100s as well.. mess with the settings a little , if you can , they are a bit bright but they may grow on you with a little time, since you aren't returning them try em for a couple weeks before you make a final decision...

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on my Yamaha I tried different Eq settings.

Example lowering all the bands to minimum except the top two higher frequencies (at max), and surprisingly the sound is less harsh. I'm sure there might be a setting for brightness. Seems it's like the mids that are harsh.

As for the lack of bass i'm sure ill have to get a better sub down the road (but i can't go more than 400 CDN with limits quality choices.

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on my Yamaha I tried different Eq settings.

Example lowering all the bands to minimum except the top two higher frequencies (at max), and surprisingly the sound is less harsh. I'm sure there might be a setting for brightness. Seems it's like the mids that are harsh.

As for the lack of bass i'm sure ill have to get a better sub down the road (but i can't go more than 400 CDN with limits quality choices.
it's mid forward... try eg'ing the 1k band down as well as the next higher one .. leave the other's set to flat (0).. it may help.. best of luck .. also i sometimes turn off eq , then go to tone control and set it at -2 or -3...
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I have the Q100's as side and rear surrounds coupled with the Q900's and Q600. 90% home theater use and I like them a lot. I have the 100's crossed at 100hz with the LCR's at 80hz.

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I really thought the brightness tamed after about 3 weeks of listening (played them for at least a few hours a day on average). Whether it was the speaker changing or my ears adjusting (or a combination) I can't say, but I will say I that they sounded less harsh to my ears after that timeframe. You should also be able to tame it some by turning down the treble. There were a few other settings on my Yamaha that helped, but I cannot remember exactly what they were. I believe maybe there was a YPAO setting and putting them to natural sounded a little better to my ears. Not sure if you have that on your receiver though.

You may also try changing up the positioning of the speakers. I know many will tend to toe the speakers in towards the listening position, but I have heard many state that with these kefs, you can just point them straight ahead. This has had the effect for some of taming some of that brightness as well. Of course every room is different, so what works for others may not work for you.

If you do want better bass, you should really upgrade your subwoofer. I went from your same PSW10 sub to a HSU VTF-3 mk5 and there really is no contest there. While the q100s have a decent amount of bass on their own, it is like adding a whole other dimension of sound when I turn the HSU sub with them.

Since you are not able to return them, then perhaps you could give them a few weeks to see if your impressions change any. You may very well feel the same as you do now. If so, then you certainly know to stay away from any bright speakers going forward. Good luck to you.
Do you use the setting extra bass, and set the speakers at Large instead of Small? I wonder if that's a good or bad idea.
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it's mid forward... try eg'ing the 1k band down as well as the next higher one .. leave the other's set to flat (0).. it may help.. best of luck .. also i sometimes turn off eq , then go to tone control and set it at -2 or -3...
yea you are right actually i tried to lower these two and it helped , thanks for that info.
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Perhaps i should change amps or just buy other speakers (warmer and more bass for music)?
I have a very average Polk PSW10

I'm can't really return the speakers so i will have to sell them in a local add(if that's my decision)...

Try straight on or even toeing out a little, play with EQ/treble, and hopefully that helps a little bit.

A better sub will of course add bass, but it won't turn the Kefs into warmer speakers. Nor would a new AVR really. They sort of are what they are.

I would have preferred a touch more warmth too. Personally I find them better for HT than music.Worst case you have semi-expensive but very nice surrounds?
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Do you use the setting extra bass, and set the speakers at Large instead of Small? I wonder if that's a good or bad idea.
If you set them to large then the full set of frequencies will be sent to them. Since you don't have the greatest sub, it wouldn't hurt to try this setting to see if the bass sounds better to you that way. Same thing with the extra bass setting. In my situation, I do have a very capable sub and do not have the need for those settings. There is also an Enhancer setting that I do actually use quite often. According to the Yamaha manual, the setting adds "depth and breadth" to the sound. I do often find myself turning that setting on. In the end, its all about what sounds best to you in your setting. So definitely play around with the different settings, and also the positioning of the speakers. Sounds like you've already made some progress with that.

I really do think a better sub would make quite a big difference for you in your setup. I have been playing around a lot with my sub settings as I am currently back and forth testing another set of bookshelves. Sometimes I will turn off the sub completely and run that way for awhile. But when I turn it back on, it just feels like there is a whole other dimension added to the sound. It's not all in just hearing the low sounds either, but feeling them. Not in a wall shaking rumbling way, but more in a soft undertone of feeling. I guess I'd say its more of a presence.

Of course none of that changes if the q100s sound bright to you. I do hope that brightness does tame enough for your liking.
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Try straight on or even toeing out a little, play with EQ/treble, and hopefully that helps a little bit.

A better sub will of course add bass, but it won't turn the Kefs into warmer speakers. Nor would a new AVR really. They sort of are what they are.

I would have preferred a touch more warmth too. Personally I find them better for HT than music.Worst case you have semi-expensive but very nice surrounds?
i forgot about toe -in(my bad, sorry)... i find straight ahead (not pointed at the listening position) works well in my room , but you may lose a little imaging...

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Do you use the setting extra bass, and set the speakers at Large instead of Small? I wonder if that's a good or bad idea.
Extra bass off, speakers set to small, 90-100hz crossover and turn the treble down 2-3db in the tone control menu. You can try some room treatments like putting a rug better the MLP and speakers, curtains in the windows etc.....


Just Like @D33vious , Upgrading to a better sub made a huge difference in my listening enjoyment.
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You can try some room treatments like putting a rug better the MLP and speakers, curtains in the windows etc.....
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Extra bass off, speakers set to small, 90-100hz crossover and turn the treble down 2-3db in the tone control menu. You can try some room treatments like putting a rug better the MLP and speakers, curtains in the windows etc.....


Just Like @D33vious , Upgrading to a better sub made a huge difference in my listening enjoyment.
The OP has me curious. If I can overcome my general laziness, then perhaps I'll bring the PSW10 downstairs and test my listening impressions using that instead of the VTF-3 mk5......don't hold me to it though! My laziness should never be underestimated
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The OP has me curious. If I can overcome my general laziness, then perhaps I'll bring the PSW10 downstairs and test my listening impressions using that instead of the VTF-3 mk5......don't hold me to it though! My laziness should never be underestimated
In all likelihood, the VTF-3 will easily trounce the PSW10. Like a Hyundai Accent vs a Hemi.

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I have a Yamaha rv-475 powering them (can't find the mic to calibrate them YPAO, so i fix the equalizer by ear).
Possibly get a new YPAO mic:
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You could probably get it cheaper calling Yamaha Canada:
https://ca.yamaha.com/en/support/par...ice/index.html
Or try ebay.
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This is a newb question , but would it be possible to Wire two sets of speakers for fronts. I would like to wire the KEF q100 and the Polk RTI8 at the same time on the same post on the receiver. That way i could have the clarity of the KeF and bass of the polk towers (and room volume). Basically i would have 4 fronts at the same time (would this cause to loose efficiency *db on each speakers )

I'm trying it right now and it seems not bad ...Insted of buying a sub cause seems all budget subs are not really made for music (ex Bic, and forgot the others).

Also if i remove the jumper on the Polk towers and wire on the bass posts can i only get the woofers to play (with would be even better).
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This is a newb question , but would it be possible to Wire two sets of speakers for fronts. I would like to wire the KEF q100 and the Polk RTI8 at the same time on the same post on the receiver. That way i could have the clarity of the KeF and bass of the polk towers (and room volume). Basically i would have 4 fronts at the same time (would this cause to loose efficiency *db on each speakers )

I'm trying it right now and it seems not bad ...Insted of buying a sub cause seems all budget subs are not really made for music (ex Bic, and forgot the others).

Also if i remove the jumper on the Polk towers and wire on the bass posts can i only get the woofers to play (with would be even better).
If you want to listen to them all for music use then I would wire one set as fronts and the others as surrounds, then change the sound setting to 7 channel stereo (might be called 5 ch stereo for your model). But if you already have other speakers for surrounds I guess that wouldn't work.

From what I have read, it is not the best idea to wire multiple speakers to one channel. What I found said the sound quality of the speakers would suffer running that way. I am no expert though, so I would defer to others more in the know.
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if you have a "b zone" amp you can wire them up to do an a/b in the same room ...

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yea that was a terrible idea I had concerning stacking speakers at the same time...tried it and wasn't amazing at all.

Well after listening to the Kefs for a couple of days, i'm between the fence . I'm having trouble enjoying listening to songs on them , seems like the details are turning me off instead of immersing me in. Guitar have a bit too much treble, and it unbalances the rest of the music that's playing. Not too mention that they don't have the best lower range punch other speaker have. In the last few years I tried several speakers and I haven't fell in love with any:

- polk rti towers great presence but lack a lot of mids and clarity
- klipsch RP if i remember correctly (hated them)
- Energy RC (boring and too warm)
- Bose 201 (found them good first but than noticed they had no soundstage and terrible imaging)
- polk rti4 (same as the towers no mids and clarity)
- energy take classic (great for HT , but can't be used for music at all)

Surprinsingly my most pleasant listening experience came from
- Vizio Soundbar (with made me replay songs over and over without getting bored or irritated)
- Edifier 1850 (with are not a HIFI device but had pleasant balanced very clear too)

I have yet to try any Wharfedale Diamond, B and W, Dynamo , and Elac, but my hopes are getting lower + I can't power efficiently some of them with my Yamaha (like the Elac) . Maybe my ears can only be pleased with 2000 and above speakers, and a few surprising low budget entry class models that trick my ears and make me enjoy the experience(Vizio, Edifier)...

For now i'll try the Kef q100 for another week to see if my ears adapt and perhaps they burn in...don't want to give up on them yet...and a guy wanted to sell me a pair of Kef q100 + a BIC F12 for 450 CDN ! with is like 250 US! so i might return the online ones and buy them back from him if I decide to keep them ( can always resell them higher later

I also saw Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 for 100 on the net but have to look them up (reviews and all before trying)

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In the last few years I tried several speakers and I haven't fell in love with any:

- polk rti towers great presence but lack a lot of mids and clarity
- klipsch RP if i remember correctly (hated them)
- Energy RC (boring and too warm)
- Bose 201 (found them good first but than noticed they had no soundstage and terrible imaging)
- polk rti4 (same as the towers no mids and clarity)
- energy take classic (great for HT , but can't be used for music at all)
Sounds like you've basically had the two ends of the spectrum: too bright, and too warm. I recommend looking for speakers that are widely reported to be "neutral" which would be smack in the middle of the spectrum.

Ascend 170SE + 340SE would be a very safe bet, as well as Emotiva B1 + C1, Chane A1.4 + A2.4, or Hsu HB-1 + HC-1...just order a stereo pair and then add the center if you decide to keep one.

These are all Internet-direct so you'd have to risk paying for return shipping if you don't like them, maybe $30-50 depending on how far away you are from the company's HQ.
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Sounds like you've basically had the two ends of the spectrum: too bright, and too warm. I recommend looking for speakers that are widely reported to be "neutral" which would be smack in the middle of the spectrum.

Ascend 170SE + 340SE would be a very safe bet, as well as Emotiva B1 + C1, Chane A1.4 + A2.4, or Hsu HB-1 + HC-1...just order a stereo pair and then add the center if you decide to keep one.

These are all Internet-direct so you'd have to risk paying for return shipping if you don't like them, maybe $30-50 depending on how far away you are from the company's HQ.
I hope i get to try some of these at one point, even if they are harder to find in Canada.
Turns out turning out Adaptive DRC on the receiver has increased the quality and details of the Kefs. I also notice that these speakers are way better at higher volumes. Maybe adding a good sub will balance more the sound and make the forwardness of the sound more pleasant.
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I hope i get to try some of these at one point, even if they are harder to find in Canada.
Turns out turning out Adaptive DRC on the receiver has increased the quality and details of the Kefs. I also notice that these speakers are way better at higher volumes. Maybe adding a good sub will balance more the sound and make the forwardness of the sound more pleasant.
Ah, you're in Canada. A few months ago, Amazon.ca somehow was selling the Emotiva B1 & C1 at *lower* than US prices...unfortunately it appears that they have fixed that now...the B1 and C1 are now $350USD, same as the BasX10 sub:
https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_no...otiva+speakers
https://www.amazon.ca/Emotiva-Audio-...tiva+subwoofer

However, they still have the NHT SuperOne at just $113USD each, vs $175ea. here---this is by far the best speaker value north of the border, IMO. You could just get 3 of these for your front stage and call it a day. NHTs are also known for a neutral presentation, google them.
https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-Audio-Supe...s=NHT+superone

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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Ah, you're in Canada. A few months ago, Amazon.ca somehow was selling the Emotiva B1 & C1 at *lower* than US prices...unfortunately it appears that they have fixed that now...the B1 and C1 are now $350USD, same as the BasX10 sub:
https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_no...otiva+speakers
https://www.amazon.ca/Emotiva-Audio-...tiva+subwoofer

However, they still have the NHT SuperOne at just $113USD each, vs $175ea. here---this is by far the best speaker value north of the border, IMO. You could just get 3 of these for your front stage and call it a day. NHTs are also known for a neutral presentation, google them.
https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-Audio-Supe...s=NHT+superone
Ok but how do i know wich one of these has the best level of details. It won't be as good as the Kefs but just wondering if something can come close and still be neutral...
Emotiva seem nice but there is very little reviews and comments from users on them wich makes it risky..

Cnet compares the Emotiva to Elac B6 and says the Elacs have a better deeper sound for the same price (although warmer i think ..wich can be boring to my ears i guess)

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Ok but how do i know wich one of these has the best level of details. It won't be as good as the Kefs but just wondering if something can come close and still be neutral...

Cnet compares the Emotiva to Elac B6 and says the Elacs have a better deeper sound for the same price (although warmer i think ..wich can be boring to my ears i guess)
Do a forum search for the NHT Owner's Thread, browse and ask there. @dswierenga is one forumite who is very happy with his NHT speakers and can compare them to many other speakers. I would expect the NHT SuperOne to be on par or better than the Q100 in the details/dynamics department.

Do not take CNET reviews seriously...they are mostly garbage, to be honest. It's because of CNET that tons of people ran out and bought the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers as well as the ELAC B5/B6/C5/C6 series, and then many of them came to this forum complaining about lackluster performance, especially a lack of voice clarity from the center speakers.

Guttenberg's CNET review of the first-gen B6 only used music as an evaluation source, which is totally irrelevant to people looking for HT speakers. Music rewards speakers for smoothness, warmth, lushness, and specific unmeasurable tonal qualities; with HT it's all about detail and dynamics, particularly in the high as well as middle frequencies. How much mid-bass the speaker puts out is also irrelevant, since most HT setups employ subwoofers to do all the bass heavy lifting anyhow.

ELAC and Pioneer AJ speakers are ok music speakers if you want a "warm" presentation with lots of (sloppy) mid-bass, but for HT they are somewhere between mediocre and horrendous. (The 2nd generation v2 ELACs have supposedly been much improved in the detail/dynamics aspect, though.)

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)

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Do a forum search for the NHT Owner's Thread, browse and ask there. @dswierenga is one forumite who is very happy with his NHT speakers and can compare them to many other speakers. I would expect the NHT SuperOne to be on par or better than the Q100 in the details/dynamics department.

Do not take CNET reviews seriously...they are mostly garbage, to be honest. It's because of CNET that tons of people ran out and bought the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers as well as the ELAC B5/B6/C6 series, and then many of them came to this forum complaining about lackluster performance, especially a lack of voice clarity from the center speakers.

Guttenberg's CNET review of the first-gen B6 only used music as an evaluation source, which is totally irrelevant to people looking for HT speakers. Music rewards speakers for smoothness, warmth, lushness, and specific unmeasurable tonal qualities; with HT it's all about detail and dynamics, particularly in the high as well as middle frequencies. How much mid-bass the speaker puts out is also irrelevant, since most HT setups employ subwoofers to do all the bass heavy lifting anyhow.

ELAC and Pioneer AJ speakers are ok music speakers if you want a "warm" presentation with lots of (sloppy) mid-bass, but for music they are somewhere between mediocre and horrendous. (The 2nd generation v2 ELACs have supposedly been much improved in the detail/dynamics aspect, though.)
Ty will look into NHT they are incredibly cheap too , that's a bonus !
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