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BIC FH6-LCR Measurements - Testing - Review

So me and lots of other users here at AVS has concluded that the BIC FH6-LCR is a terrific center channel primarily for its MSRP at $100. It’s hard to find something much better for the same price, I believe at $150 the Polk S30 is the only comparison as far as sub $200 center channels.

Me & @Zorba922 have concluded throughout many threads it’s specs are not anywhere near what the manufacturer list which from the results of this testing is understated horribly.

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I performed this testing within half space @ 1m. Below is a demonstration between spaces.






I found that the -3dB point was actually around 168Hz with the -6dB point at 161Hz. The treble is very peaky w/ a sharp roll off w/o EQ starting at ~15kHz. Midbass from 500Hz to 3kHz is severely lacking without EQ. Impedance matches closely with 8ohms w/ a rise around 100Hz. Polarity was measured to be positive.

Sensitivity was measured approximately at ~86dB rather than the 95dB listed on its specs.
Edit: Dennis Murphy was kind enough to chime in w/ a informative post regarding sensitivity being inaccurate at anything less than an anechoic response which should indicate a sensitivity rating of ~90dB.

Unfortunately BIC doesn’t correlate their posted specs with real world output. They make wonderful budget products but, as this proves here, you get what you pay for in this instance. Also the FR makes for a horrendous crossover integration. I have mine set to 160Hz as that’s where my sub starts to roll off.

BIC’s specs — -3dB 40Hz; 23kHz; 8ohm, 95dB sensitivity
My testing — -3dB 168Hz; 15kHz; 8ohm; 86dB sensitivity

I still conclude that for $100 this center has awesome dynamics & clarity for HT use only & I’d still strongly recommend it to any budget seeking first time potential customer.


Next I will be posting the Polk S15.
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Next I will be posting the Polk S15.
Holy smokes, how do they get that little output from relatively large drivers!

But above the -3db point the measurements are better than I expected.

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Holy smokes, how do they get that little output from relatively large drivers!

But above the -3db point the measurements are better than I expected.
Lol you tell me. I always assumed it would be around 90-100Hz but, it’s basically nonexistent until 150Hz.

Having two 6.5” drivers in a sealed enclosure you would think it’d be getting better bass response. Although I agree for $100 above the -3dB it did measure quite well.

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BIC’s specs — -3dB 40Hz; 23kHz; 8ohm, 95dB sensitivity
My testing — -3dB 168Hz; 15kHz; 8ohm; 86dB sensitivity
OMG, 168Hz???

I was expecting something around 100Hz, but that is insane.

I don't remember ever doing any quick-and-dirty test tones with an SPL meter when I had the BIC, though...now I kinda wish I had.

Am also very surprised that sensitivity is so low, because I always had to set the center trim at like -6 or more when I was running it with my Wharfedales which are listed as 86db sensitive.

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It seems impossible for Bic to manage that with dual 6.5" drivers. That is cube-speaker range... actually some of the larger cubes may be able to beat that.

I wonder if it's a design flaw, or they figured they'd go for the best clarity possible by removing any semblance of bass whatsoever?
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my roomate uses the fh6-lcr.. i notice the top end is prominent .. but it doesn't sound as bad to me as the graph would indicate.. there are a LOT of peaks in not so good spots on the graph.. of course it may be room reflections too.. i am anxious to see the s15 graph... thanks for posting...

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Someone else measured them and there was an 8 db peak in the mids and peaky in the treble with 5 db peaks -- but the bass was better than what was shown here, but still not good -- regardless, they would not be for me and I know there are some better offerings, if one knows how to fish -- for one who owns and enjoys the Bic, continue to enjoy the adventure.

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I wonder if it's a design flaw, or they figured they'd go for the best clarity possible by removing any semblance of bass whatsoever?
Me too -- bass should cut off around 90 hz, which is still poor for those size drivers -- but the box is sealed and only 6-1/8" deep

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I have yet to hear a Bic speaker that was audibly tolerable for more than a few minutes...but then again, Bic ain't exactly known for high end audio!
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OMG, 168Hz???

I was expecting something around 100Hz, but that is insane.

I don't remember ever doing any quick-and-dirty test tones with an SPL meter when I had the BIC, though...now I kinda wish I had.

Am also very surprised that sensitivity is so low, because I always had to set the center trim at like -6 or more when I was running it with my Wharfedales which are listed as 86db sensitive.
Yeah I measured multiple times & even moved the microphone inches in each direction to make sure it wasn’t an anomaly. I also agree the sensitivity may be off because I believe I had mine set to -5 in my trim.

I admit I’m not very knowledgeable about reading the sensitivity specs, I averaged what was shown between half space & free air. You can see the graph below



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It seems impossible for Bic to manage that with dual 6.5" drivers. That is cube-speaker range... actually some of the larger cubes may be able to beat that.

I wonder if it's a design flaw, or they figured they'd go for the best clarity possible by removing any semblance of bass whatsoever?
I agree, it is very odd & doesn’t make sense logically from everything we have learned throughout various examples of other speaker/speaker design. You can see above I took multiple measurements to assure it wasn’t an anomaly.

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my roomate uses the fh6-lcr.. i notice the top end is prominent .. but it doesn't sound as bad to me as the graph would indicate.. there are a LOT of peaks in not so good spots on the graph.. of course it may be room reflections too.. i am anxious to see the s15 graph... thanks for posting...
Yes the FH6LCR’s sound much better than indicated above. The treble in this particular speaker seems to be universally agreed upon as spikey. Although I admit around 1-2k my room has a 3-4dB dip so that may be ignored.

Very possible there was some reflections from the room. I’ve actually built some frames today for some absorption panels so I should have them up tomorrow, I may retest it to see if there’s any drastic changes.

I will have the S15 graphs up tomorrow maybe around noon.

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Someone else measured them and there was an 8 db peak in the mids and peaky in the treble with 5 db peaks -- but the bass was better than what was shown here, but still not good -- regardless, they would not be for me and I know there are some better offerings, if one knows how to fish -- for one who owns and enjoys the Bic, continue to enjoy the adventure.
As I said above my room has a 3-4dB dip around 1-2kHz so that portion may be ignored. BIC a great budget brand seems to rather enjoy skewing their specs. I also agree & disagree on this speaker/BIC. Although I recommended for a first time/newb HT enthusiast on a budget it is still a great speaker for $100. It does have good clarity with its odd horn over a dome tweeter style. Also male voices doesn’t seem to suffer incredibly.
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It does have good clarity with its odd horn over a dome tweeter style. Also male voices doesn’t seem to suffer incredibly.
With those specs, I'd think a lot of male voices would end up coming out of the subwoofer.

I wonder how it compares to its soft dome brother, DV-62CLRS. I had that one briefly (or it was the 5" version, I forget) and although I guess it was passable, the tweeter seemed kind of mushy to me. Now I wish I tested bass on it.... seemed better than 168 though, I think I would remember if it was anywhere near that bad.
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[QUOTE=DaBateman;56669568]So me and lots of other users here at AVS has concluded that the BIC FH6-LCR is a terrific center channel primarily for its MSRP at $100. It’s hard to find something much better for the same price, I believe at $150 the Polk S30 is the only comparison as far as sub $200 center channels.
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I'm confused. Did you perform these tests? I take it they're all room measurements and not anechoic? I measured the anechoic response of the BIC and got a similar but even peakier response. However, the sensitivity was at least 90 dB, although there were so many peaks it was a little hard to decide how to spec the sensitivity precisely.
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With those specs, I'd think a lot of male voices would end up coming out of the subwoofer.

I wonder how it compares to its soft dome brother, DV-62CLRS. I had that one briefly (or it was the 5" version, I forget) and although I guess it was passable, the tweeter seemed kind of mushy to me. Now I wish I tested bass on it.... seemed better than 168 though, I think I would remember if it was anywhere near that bad.
That’s not entirely false. While watching cable for example certain commercials will sound like the sub is the only speaker hooked up but, I found that to be more rare than common.

Also you don’t see many DV owners, I looked at it while searching before I found the FH6, which I prefer the looks of. I haven’t heard any of that series so I can’t comment on how they’d compare.

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So me and lots of other users here at AVS has concluded that the BIC FH6-LCR is a terrific center channel primarily for its MSRP at $100. It’s hard to find something much better for the same price, I believe at $150 the Polk S30 is the only comparison as far as sub $200 center channels.
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I'm confused. Did you perform these tests? I take it they're all room measurements and not anechoic? I measured the anechoic response of the BIC and got a similar but even peakier response. However, the sensitivity was at least 90 dB, although there were so many peaks it was a little hard to decide how to spec the sensitivity precisely.
Yes all in room measurements at half space 1m. I tried to keep all variables either stated above or compensate ie showing both measurements w/ & w/o AutoEQ.

I admit I’m no expert as it’s just one of my hobbies rather than my job, you lucky dog.

Also with the sensitivity, I stated above I’m not entirely how to properly read the sensitivity ratings so I averaged what was measured.

How did it perform in the lower frequencies w/ the anechoic response?

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[quote=DaBateman;56672518]That’s not entirely false. While watching cable for example certain commercials will sound like the sub is the only speaker hooked up but, I found that to be more rare than common.

Also you don’t see many DV owners, I looked at it while searching before I found the FH6, which I prefer the looks of. I haven’t heard any of that series so I can’t comment on how they’d compare.

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Yes all in room measurements at half space 1m. I tried to keep all variables either stated above or compensate ie showing both measurements w/ & w/o AutoEQ.

I admit I’m no expert as it’s just one of my hobbies rather than my job, you lucky dog.

Also with the sensitivity, I stated above I’m not entirely how to properly read the sensitivity ratings so I averaged what was measured.

How did it perform in the lower frequencies w/ the anechoic response?
I haven't had much experience with room measurements using software like yours. But The sensitivity spec is based on anechoic measurements. I don't think you can expect to replicate that spec with a room measurement. The BIC was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more sensitive than any of my speakers, which generally clock in around 85 dB. As for bass, I measured a system tuning frequency of 130 Hz, which would mean the speaker is starting to roll off at 12 dB per octave at that point. I didn't try to confirm that by making a nearfield woofer measurement.
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That’s not entirely false. While watching cable for example certain commercials will sound like the sub is the only speaker hooked up but, I found that to be more rare than common.

Also you don’t see many DV owners, I looked at it while searching before I found the FH6, which I prefer the looks of. I haven’t heard any of that series so I can’t comment on how they’d compare.



I haven't had much experience with room measurements using software like yours. But The sensitivity spec is based on anechoic measurements. I don't think you can expect to replicate that spec with a room measurement. The BIC was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more sensitive than any of my speakers, which generally clock in around 85 dB. As for bass, I measured a system tuning frequency of 130 Hz, which would mean the speaker is starting to roll off at 12 dB per octave at that point. I didn't try to confirm that by making a nearfield woofer measurement.
Okay that makes more sense looking back at the graph. I’ll edit my original post to correct that, thanks for the clarification.

That’s interesting comparing the tuning. You would assume comparing in room to anechoic that it would match or even be a little lower from boundary and/or room gain rather than increasing 30Hz. I’ve learned recently in audio that it’s a fluid subject & more so comparing what is & what should be.

Irrelevant to this thread but, let me ask you another question..on my Microcube I have a 22Hz HPF 12dB butterworth & 200Hz LPF 24dB butterworth. Is there a better LPF octave that would result in a smoother crossover integration? I had to add 2ms to my subs distance ontop of YPAO which then resulted in the impulse measurements being out of line w/ my mains.

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Okay that makes more sense looking back at the graph. I’ll edit my original post to correct that, thanks for the clarification.

That’s interesting comparing the tuning. You would assume comparing in room to anechoic that it would match or even be a little lower from boundary and/or room gain rather than increasing 30Hz. I’ve learned recently in audio that it’s a fluid subject & more so comparing what is & what should be.

Irrelevant to this thread but, let me ask you another question..on my Microcube I have a 22Hz HPF 12dB butterworth & 200Hz LPF 24dB butterworth. Is there a better LPF octave that would result in a smoother crossover integration? I had to add 2ms to my subs distance ontop of YPAO which then resulted in the impulse measurements being out of line w/ my mains.
The system tuning is set by the box volume and driver parameters. If you're taking an impedance measurement to find the tuning point, it won't be affected by where the speaker is in the room. It's completely determined by the speaker design.
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The system tuning is set by the box volume and driver parameters. If you're taking an impedance measurement to find the tuning point, it won't be affected by where the speaker is in the room. It's completely determined by the speaker design.
So Dennis...do you think the "not so flat" measurements and poor bass response are cabinet issues, crossover issue, a combination or other?

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So Dennis...do you think the "not so flat" measurements and poor bass response are cabinet issues, crossover issue, a combination or other?
I would rather not comment further on the BIC, since it competes with my center channel. My main point in posting was to try and clarify the sensitivity issue, since that is definitely a strong point of the design, and explains in part some of the compromises it took to achieve that high sensitivity.
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