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Ok. Order has been made....crossing my fingers I did the right thing.

Two Hsu VTF-3 Mk5 HP subs on the way. Man, shipping is a beast on those.

Three Emotiva T1's; two B1's; and four E1's. Shipping free.

I will report back once I have them hooked up.
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whoa, I didn't know you bought Emotiva speakers! Or was this with different speakers? I think the effect of port plugging varies depending on the specific speaker.
I tried it with the Kef Q100's which come with foam plugs in the box. I didn't particularly like the results, though I was still using the Bic sub at the time. I should try it again since I'm using a higher crossover (100hz vs 80hz with the Bic) and better sub now.

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I tried it with the Kef Q100's which come with foam plugs in the box. I didn't particularly like the results, though I was still using the Bic sub at the time. I should try it again since I'm using a higher crossover (100hz vs 80hz with the Bic) and better sub now.
oh, I see. I tried the plugs with the Q100s when I home demoed them too...it just made the sound seem kind of off, maybe a little neutered or congested. But that is a front ported speaker that already puts out a lot of mid-bass unplugged. A rear ported speaker that puts out less mid-bass, might behave differently I think.
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Plus if you are crossing a speaker over at 80-100hz, the rear port will have almost no output

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Ok. Order has been made....crossing my fingers I did the right thing.

Two Hsu VTF-3 Mk5 HP subs on the way. Man, shipping is a beast on those.

Three Emotiva T1's; two B1's; and four E1's. Shipping free.

I will report back once I have them hooked up.
You've got yourself in the zone where you're looking at the all the right gear, no really 'wrong' decisions to make. Especially going for the bigger subs in your size space. Im excited for you! Good job!
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definitely 3 towers
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Didn't know that Emotiva will sell the T1s as singles though.
They do it on Amazon that way at least.

EDIT: I see someone mentioned that already!
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That'll be a very nice system--congrats.

When you plug the ports you change the natural roll-off of the speaker from ported's 24 dB/octave to sealed's(or quasi-sealed) 12 dB/octave. In theory, a sealed alignment will have a smoother transition in the crossover region with a sub, but there are many factors involved, so experimentation is the key.

I think there may be something wrong with me. I was happy for you for the speaker purchase, but I was more excited about the subs.

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Right you are! Wonder why Emotiva doesn't.

And why don't they sell B1s in singles too? Does it save them so much money to have 2 speakers inside one box? The mysterious workings of an accounting department...
i can see selling the books as a set..although i like it when companies give you a choice (better for 3 across).. towers imo should always be available in singles , just due to the replacement(cost) factor ...
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Ok. Order has been made....crossing my fingers I did the right thing.

Two Hsu VTF-3 Mk5 HP subs on the way. Man, shipping is a beast on those.

Three Emotiva T1's; two B1's; and four E1's. Shipping free.

I will report back once I have them hooked up.
Congratulations. I'm sure you'll enjoy. What did shipping wind up being on the subs?

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You've got yourself in the zone where you're looking at the all the right gear, no really 'wrong' decisions to make. Especially going for the bigger subs in your size space. Im excited for you! Good job!
Thanks! All of you contributed as I read every speaker shootout and post about countless speakers. Great forum here.
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Well, good impressions so far.
Ordered Sunday night; already have tracking numbers from both Hsu and Emotiva.
Speakers arrive Wednesday; subs Thursday.
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Well, good impressions so far.
Ordered Sunday night; already have tracking numbers from both Hsu and Emotiva.
Speakers arrive Wednesday; subs Thursday.
I ordered my C2 from Emotiva one day in the afternoon and it arrived the next day (of course, I'm just one state away from Franklin, Tn). Hard to ask for better than that.
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congratulations. I'm sure you'll enjoy. What did shipping wind up being on the subs?
$192 from west coast to deep south
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Ouch.
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Ok. Order has been made....crossing my fingers I did the right thing.

Two Hsu VTF-3 Mk5 HP subs on the way. Man, shipping is a beast on those.

Three Emotiva T1's; two B1's; and four E1's. Shipping free.

I will report back once I have them hooked up.
Very nice setup.

What are you using to drive the towers?

I have been debating getting some T2s/C2 for my front stage but given they are 4ohm, I am worried about driving them with just an AVR.
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Very nice setup.

What are you using to drive the towers?

I have been debating getting some T2s/C2 for my front stage but given they are 4ohm, I am worried about driving them with just an AVR.
Wont be problems driving them as @Zorba922 has pointed out many times, he believes it stated to sell their amps....unless you have an older, underpowered AVR, Otherwise you'll be fine
Worst case, you upgrade the AVR, afterall this whole forum does nothing but upgrade, every hour, every day, every month, every year

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Need an AVR.

Anything that does 9.2 processing is expensive.

There is one place, Elec Expo, selling a Marantz 7012 for a low price.

Also looked at 6012, 6013 and the Denon x4400.

Need Atmos & DV pass through. I don't think NAD 758 does Dolby Vision.
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Yes, TV is mounted and bottom of display is 47 inches, so I can place 3 towers along the front stage.

I just didn't know if 3 towers as LCR was preferable in sound to using the C2.
Ouch, that TV must be really high up. I would get a horizontal center channel and lower the TV so that it's at eye level, that's technically the way it's supposed to be done. It will look much better to the wife than a tall speaker pointing up to the TV.

It's true that three towers is more ideal in terms of sound stage, but not if that means your TV has to be way high up, and the speakers aren't behind an AT screen while using a projector.

Identical LCRs vertically aligned is better than a horizontal center in terms of interference, but even better than that for sound stage would be point source speakers (concentric or coaxial) and a full Atmos setup to take advantage of it.

I don't personally believe in tower speakers, most bass should come from the subwoofer so why bother?

My advice: get the flat center, lower the TV, and enjoy it without thinking too much about it. If you're super serious about sound stage accuracy, especially the LCR channels, what you really want is Atmos + point speakers + AT screen + projector.
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Ouch, that TV must be really high up. I would get a horizontal center channel and lower the TV so that it's at eye level, that's technically the way it's supposed to be done. It will look much better to the wife than a tall speaker pointing up to the TV.

It's true that three towers is more ideal in terms of sound stage, but not if that means your TV has to be way high up, and the speakers aren't behind an AT screen while using a projector.

Identical LCRs vertically aligned is better than a horizontal center in terms of interference, but even better than that for sound stage would be point source speakers (concentric or coaxial) and a full Atmos setup to take advantage of it.

I don't personally believe in tower speakers, most bass should come from the subwoofer so why bother?

My advice: get the flat center, lower the TV, and enjoy it without thinking too much about it. If you're super serious about sound stage accuracy, especially the LCR channels, what you really want is Atmos + point speakers + AT screen + projector.

It is too high. WAF precludes lowering the screen (that would, God forbid, block the view of the fireplace)
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It is too high. WAF precludes lowering the screen (that would, God forbid, block the view of the fireplace)
I've not checked in a while, but Monoprice had a motorized TV mount that would lower a TV mounted over a fire place and then, obviously, raise it back up for a a reasonable price as far as such things go. I've always bought my TV mounts from Monoprice and they've always worked great. At about 1/10th the price of places like Best Buy or Walmart.

Edit: My bad, not motorized, but pull down. Still, not bad price for such a thing. This isn't the only one, but an example. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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I've not checked in a while, but Monoprice had a motorized TV mount that would lower a TV mounted over a fire place and then, obviously, raise it back up for a a reasonable price as far as such things go. I've always bought my TV mounts from Monoprice and they've always worked great. At about 1/10th the price of places like Best Buy or Walmart.
I should have said above "lower the screen permanently..."
Actually, the one we use is a MantelMount that does articulate the TV up and down. Up when TV not in use. Down when we are watching. In order to "clear" the mantel, and get maximum extension, the mount had to be installed fairly high up.

So the best I can do is get the bottom edge of the TV about 47 inches off the ground. Such is life.
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I've not checked in a while, but Monoprice had a motorized TV mount that would lower a TV mounted over a fire place and then, obviously, raise it back up for a a reasonable price as far as such things go. I've always bought my TV mounts from Monoprice and they've always worked great. At about 1/10th the price of places like Best Buy or Walmart.

Edit: My bad, not motorized, but pull down. Still, not bad price for such a thing. This isn't the only one, but an example. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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Okay ... I think the deals on factory renewed Emotiva's are pushing me over the edge! Two quick questions (more like confirmations) for the Emotiva experts (respectfully requesting @Zorba922 to weigh in, but I think I know the answers ) ...

1) Looking to pair the C2 with the T1's ... or will the C1 be a better "matched" center for the T1's? From what I've read, the C2 is worth it, but want to make sure it will be a good match with the T1 for L/R.

2) The "never-gets-old" 4 Ohm question: I shouldn't have any issues driving the T1's with my Denon x1300w, should I? Everything I have read says it's fine, but most people ask this question in reference to higher end/higher wattage AVR's.

I'm pretty sure I'm over-thinking it, but just looking for the final warm and fuzzy that it will be fine before I click "CHECKOUT"!
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Okay ... I think the deals on factory renewed Emotiva's are pushing me over the edge! Two quick questions (more like confirmations) for the Emotiva experts (respectfully requesting @Zorba922 to weigh in, but I think I know the answers ) ...

1) Looking to pair the C2 with the T1's ... or will the C1 be a better "matched" center for the T1's? From what I've read, the C2 is worth it, but want to make sure it will be a good match with the T1 for L/R.

2) The "never-gets-old" 4 Ohm question: I shouldn't have any issues driving the T1's with my Denon x1300w, should I? Everything I have read says it's fine, but most people ask this question in reference to higher end/higher wattage AVR's.

I'm pretty sure I'm over-thinking it, but just looking for the final warm and fuzzy that it will be fine before I click "CHECKOUT"!
Both C1 and C2 are designed to mate perfectly with the T1's. Personally, I'd go with the C2 if space limitations aren't an issue since the center is most important in a HT environment.

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Both C1 and C2 are designed to mate perfectly with the T1's. Personally, I'd go with the C2 if space limitations aren't an issue since the center is most important in a HT environment.
This.

@DireWolf08 - regarding the receiver, the x1300 is listed as 4ohms capable, another reason I wouldn't sweat it.
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WAF has raised its ugly head...
(metaphorically speaking)

If I do go with three T1/2's, placement restrictions for the center tower would mean the rear port would be blocked completely or would have maybe 2 to 4 inches of clearance.

Is this a sound killer?
It depends on the speaker, I would ask emotiva. I have a pair of JBL Studio 590's and they are very close to a back wall but according to JBL the bass gets better the closer to a wall, which I thought was a bit odd as normally with rear ported speakers you don't want them close to a wall behind them.
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Thanks, @spacecowboy and @Zorba922 . I knew I was overthinking it, I should have just gone and read the specs on my AVR! I've heard too many good things from too many sources to pass on them, time to buy!
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Okay ... I think the deals on factory renewed Emotiva's are pushing me over the edge! Two quick questions (more like confirmations) for the Emotiva experts (respectfully requesting @Zorba922 to weigh in, but I think I know the answers ) ...

1) Looking to pair the C2 with the T1's ... or will the C1 be a better "matched" center for the T1's? From what I've read, the C2 is worth it, but want to make sure it will be a good match with the T1 for L/R.

2) The "never-gets-old" 4 Ohm question: I shouldn't have any issues driving the T1's with my Denon x1300w, should I? Everything I have read says it's fine, but most people ask this question in reference to higher end/higher wattage AVR's.

I'm pretty sure I'm over-thinking it, but just looking for the final warm and fuzzy that it will be fine before I click "CHECKOUT"!
While the T1s do dip down into 3 ohm territory (3.51 ohms @ 114 Hz) you should be OK as they are 90db sensitivity and the left and right aren't carrying the heaviest load for movies.

The C1 center, (can't find measurements on the C2) dips to 4.18 ohms at 162hz at 89.5db sensitivity.

But if you are worried simply monitor the AVR temperature, (a laser thermometer works well for that), and a fix might be a higher crossover.
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I'm interested to see how you mount your B1s. I'm assuming they're your rear speakers? Going to be wall-mounted? I'm still debating how to mount my B1s to the wall behind the couch. Would love to see pics once you get it all set up.
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