Originally Posted by Jag D
Thanks for your very detailed reply!! Magnolias was local so I went to check them out (they have a very nice demo comparison program to crosscheck between speakers). I will check those brands of speakers you mentioned (Chane and Etmova right now). What is an ID company?
Should I go with 9.2.4 or 9.4.4? Does 4 PB12-NSD in each corner sound better than 2 SB16s or an equivalent brand sub (you mentioned Rythmik (FVX15 and up), HSU (VTF3 and up), and JTR)? I'm focused on prewiring right now. I'll try to take pano shots of the framing for reference today.
I don't know anything about amplifiers, but I do know some things about receivers. But what caught me off guard is the wattage rating per channel on receivers, and how the wattage drops to speakers when a full system like a 9.x or 7.x is connected. Should I go separates for a system like this or just a receiver. I'd need a 13 channel amp based on the research I've done, and Denon's x8500h seems like what I need based on that, correct? No big deal as I'm only running the wire right now, and not looking to buy speakers or amps/receivers right now.
I will do what you said about the subs and front speakers. I will take your advice on the amps your referring to. I did notice at Magnolias the Mcintosh brand hardware was super expensive, and in order to build a system around that you'd want to spend over 50K or so.
What's good brand speaker wire? Can you use 12/2 electrical wire? I've noticed a lot of stuff out there is cooper clad aluminum.
Also, what do you think about the surrounds and rear being in wall? I'd like a clean install if possible. And the sub being inside the wall however enclosed? I'd just build a recessed cavity in a couple closets and install a grill on the drywall so it's a clean install without the look of clutter. Also, did you notice my rears are in corners and not really in the back? Because of the large opening in the kitchen, I'd have to mount them 12' above the ground floor tilted down which I can do but not sure if it's better than the configuration I had on the plans.
I really appreciated your detailed reply.
I read through the article and everything that everyone is saying is some really good stuff. The suggestion about going with 5.2.4 I agree with. After a certain amount of surround channels you get diminishing returns on the immersiveness. And by going this way you can save a lot of money on receiver/amplifier. However, I think it’s pretty cool to have a 13 channel system so if you would still like to go this way that is all good.
Heres my official suggestion:
Get an Emotiva XPA11 amplifier. 300 watts/channel for all 11 channels. $2000
Then get a Marantz AV7705. 11 Channel Processor with basically everything you’ll ever need. $2200
You can do a 7.2.4 or 5.2.6 system like this.
Back to the topics of subwoofers. You have 2 subwoofer channels processed so you can have 4 as long as it’s okay with you to have them utilized as a pair. It doesn’t really matter so don’t worry. You can have 8 even as long as they are connected in quads. Btw a simple y-adaptor is all you need to connect 2 subs to one output.
And then my recommendation:
If you were on smaller budget, 4 PB12-NSD subs for $2000 would be what I recommend but since you have extra money we can do two of JTR’s Captivator 4000s. $7000
Your budget is now close to $8800. As for speakers it really is up to you. If you like Martin Logan have at it. My preference would be Chane or Emotiva as I didn’t find the Martin Logan’s that amazing IMO. I have Ascends currently if you were wondering. You might want to check them out too, they are also well received here. But another suggestion was JTR. I would probably go with them since you have a huge budget and a large room.
I’m not going to make a recommendation on any specific speakers because Im not too familiar with your room and it seems you want to do in walls. Choosing a speaker for this is a little hard, but with JTR’s Coaxial Drivers in the 8HT’s and being front ported, I think that’s a good place to start. Someone suggested Revel In walls. Fantastic speaker company with lots of experience and money behind it.
As for your room design, like I said I’m not very experienced with that stuff, but Mediabrige makes good wire, I know you asked about that. Just make sure it’s rated for inwall use if that’s where it’s going. I think 12 gauge should be good, 14 even. And make sure to get OFC (Oxygen Free Copper) not CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum). Banana plugs will be your best friend when hooking up speakers. Don’t buy anything from Best Buy. Way too overpriced as you can see from the McIntosh gear. Don’t get hooked by a salesman there. Listen to the forum. Your ears and wallet will thank you.
>>>Amazon everything<<< and I mean everything. Wire, plugs, accessories, electronics and speakers when possible. You won’t find many ID companies there however. ID stands for Internet direct meaning they sell directly to consumers not through any retailers. This is why you won’t find Chane, Emotiva, and JTR at Best Buy or Amazon. You can actually find Emotiva on Amazon but not a lot of it. They cut down on their prices this way so the consumer can benefit.