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Why is the Klipsch rp600c less expensive than rp504c

Hello all im trying to understand why is this. I used these models as they are the newest models in the Reference Premiere series. Checking the older models still showed the same trend.
I thought having a larger driver like the rp600c does would be better?
I did a blind buy on both centers to go along with my rp600m. I was eyeing both centers and originally was leaning towards the 600c but starting my research shows that the edge goes to the 504c. Why?

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Just look at the spec sheets. The 600C has 2 woofers but the 504C has 4 woofers. If it fits you could use another 600M for the center and angle it up towards ear level at MLP. I know you need to buy a pair but that's what I did.
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Hello all im trying to understand why is this. I used these models as they are the newest models in the Reference Premiere series. Checking the older models still showed the same trend.
I thought having a larger driver like the rp600c does would be better?
I did a blind buy on both centers to go along with my rp600m. I was eyeing both centers and originally was leaning towards the 600c but starting my research shows that the edge goes to the 504c. Why?

Thanks in advance.
504c weighs 10 lbs more due to larger cabinet and more drivers.

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Thanks for the replies but I mean those are the obvious. I'm a noob but I've always been thought that more doesn't always equal better. I'm in the process of testing the 504c now though and quite a few times I had to check and make sure the sub was off.

Is there any technical explanation to this I guess is what I'm trying to ask.
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Thanks for the replies but I mean those are the obvious. I'm a noob but I've always been thought that more doesn't always equal better. I'm in the process of testing the 504c now though and quite a few times I had to check and make sure the sub was off.

Is there any technical explanation to this I guess is what I'm trying to ask.
Generally the LESS drivers you have bracketing the tweeter in a horizontal center the better they should sound off axis.

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The 504c is definitely the way to go over the 600c. It handles bass tones really good for a center, it felt like I had the JBL 235c.
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The 504c is definitely the way to go over the 600c. It handles bass tones really good for a center, it felt like I had the JBL 235c.


Klipsch claims identical bass extension and sensitivity for those speakers.

If you've tried both and have reached that conclusion I certainly won't argue with you.

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Those 2 centers are rated down to 58hz but the 600M the OP is using for mains are rated down to 45hz. I guess they are all suitable with 80hz crossover but the 600M would sound identical to mains
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Klipsch claims identical bass extension and sensitivity for those speakers.

If you've tried both and have reached that conclusion I certainly won't argue with you.
I dont buy what they say, my wife and I sat here for 3 hours listening to both and the 504c definitely digs deeper. It played as if I had my sub on but i didn't. The 600c does not play that deep and my ears(no offence) do not deceive me.

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Those 2 centers are rated down to 58hz but the 600M the OP is using for mains are rated down to 45hz. I guess they are all suitable with 80hz crossover but the 600M would sound identical to mains
The center within the same line does not sound the same. I love the 600m/504c combo.
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I dont buy what they say, my wife and I sat here for 3 hours listening to both and the 504c definitely digs deeper. It played as if I had my sub on but i didn't. The 600c does not play that deep and my ears(no offence) do not deceive me.


The center within the same line does not sound the same. I love the 600m/504c combo.
My point wasn't to NOT believe you it was to believe you.

Listening trumps specs every time.

Did you check off axis dialog intelligibility for both as well?

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My point wasn't to NOT believe you it was to believe you.

Listening trumps specs every time.

Did you check off axis dialog intelligibility for both as well?
Misunderstanding on my part. Yes it is quite good. I'm sold, I cant believe the stark difference. Is it worth the Extra $150? It all depends, I'm keeping it(504c). It blends seamlessly with the RP600m. I've had my wife run playing them throughout the day yesterday to help break them in and they are quite refined. Now my next problem is do I keep the Elac Debuts that I also purchase for the low($) or do I go my DIY route for my next movie theater room setup.
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Misunderstanding on my part. Yes it is quite good. I'm sold, I cant believe the stark difference. Is it worth the Extra $150? It all depends, I'm keeping it(504c). It blends seamlessly with the RP600m. I've had my wife run playing them throughout the day yesterday to help break them in and they are quite refined. Now my next problem is do I keep the Elac Debuts that I also purchase for the low($) or do I go my DIY route for my next movie theater room setup.
Ah so the Klipsch are going in one room and the Debuts/or DIY are going in another.

IDK, I'd never do it, but if I was handy I'd likely try the DIY route just for giggles and if the speakers didn't quite meet my needs for sure they would find a happy home with a friend or relative.

Unless you know someone who has the DIY speaker you are interested it's a leap of faith based on owner reviews or maybe pro reviews and you own them once built.
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Ah so the Klipsch are going in one room and the Debuts/or DIY are going in another.

IDK, I'd never do it, but if I was handy I'd likely try the DIY route just for giggles and if the speakers didn't quite meet my needs for sure they would find a happy home with a friend or relative.

Unless you know someone who has the DIY speaker you are interested it's a leap of faith based on owner reviews or maybe pro reviews and you own them once built.
I don't know anyone who have any DIY personally. What I do know is that no one has ever built a DIY and was disappointed with its sound signature.
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The 504c is definitely the way to go over the 600c. It handles bass tones really good for a center, it felt like I had the JBL 235c.
I'd like to ask whether you could tell any difference when it comes to the clarity of dialogue in movies. The RP-504C is more expensive and I don't have a possibility to test both before buying. I wouldn't mind to give up some bass but would hate to lose any dialogue quality over the $250 price difference.
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I have RP-500C its very clear and balanced and very powerful. Unbelievable performance compared to its size
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I considered the RP-500C too but then it's the same price as the RP-600C now so it doesn't make much sense. I know the ideal would be RP-504C or the older RP-450C. But I'd really love to hear from someone who tested both RP-600C and RP-504C to tell just how significant the difference in terms of understanding the dialogs was.
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Quote from Amazon reviewer of rp-500C
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February 22, 2019
I'm in the process of building a 7.1 surround setup for my bedroom. This speaker is just what I needed !! This center channel speaker is best for a small to medium bedroom. I have the Klipsch rp440c in my living room, it's way too big for a master bedroom in my opinion. I researched speakers for several weeks before deciding on this one. Yes its pricey but remember a center channel speaker will be doing most of the work in a 7.1 setup. I suggest you get a good center speaker and don't skimp out. As for the sound, its outstanding ! Crystal clear sound with plenty of clear dialogue in movies. It's also great for music as well. Very happy with this purchase!! I'm using a 100 watt Marantz nr1608 receiver and it pumps out enough power to this center channel speaker. Great for a bedroom theater or small room setup otherwise I'd suggest a klipsch rp 600c or rp-450c. Keep In mind that this speaker is kind of heavy. Make sure you know where your center speaker will be placed and measure beforehand. Right now i have it in back of my Samsung TV, i need to place some wood or other prop in the future to help the sound come out unobstructed. Yet it still sou ds fantastic!
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If i were you i will go for RP-504C

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I get it, all of these are great speakers. But I haven't found any comparison of RP-600C and RP-504C other than this thread. I can't ask the OP directly since I just registered and don't have that option available yet. I'd get the RP-504C for sure if it was the same price as the RP-600C, but right now, I can get the RP-600C for $320 less than the RP-504C... so would you still go for the RP-504C?
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The 504C is known as a "2.5-way speaker", in that the inside mid-woofers play different frequencies than the outside mid-woofers. Since they have different crossovers, this helps to diminish the "comb-filtering" - a Venetian blind effect where there are drop-outs the further you move off-axis - the 504C will provide a wider listening window ie: it will cover the full length of a room instead of the person in the middle. That, plus the added cost of more speaker drivers, a larger cabinet for the speaker (including more internal bracing, a more complex crossover board, etc) will make the cost higher.
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