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Large speakers have larger surface area for speaker walls. Also, large speakers are harder to brace well internally. These two factors coupled with larger drivers, make the speaker walls often "sing" louder than for a smaller well braced speakers.

Sometimes, this sound from the speaker walls may provide an impression of big sound (the same way distant sound seems to come out from a big source).





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I had 308s for a weekend. They went back on Monday. Couldn't even do it for garage speakers. Powered speakers would have been very handy out there to save shelf space. Ended up being my old Dick Sequerra Metronome 7 Mk 2s from the late 70s or early 80s.

Im skeptical as I see so many youtube reviewers praising jbl sm's but then I look at what these reviewers actually use its never the jbls...I have an avr in my office with old klipsch kg 3.2's but I want to run a computer based setup. this a hard choice for me as I usually hate jbl do to my experiences with them in 90's.

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Im skeptical as I see so many youtube reviewers praising jbl sm's but then I look at what these reviewers actually use its never the jbls...I have an avr in my office with old klipsch kg 3.2's but I want to run a computer based setup. this a hard choice for me as I usually hate jbl do to my experiences with them in 90's.
After a decade of my Quads from 59 to the late 60s and several repairs from pushing things a bit (heat lightning) so by my hippy dippy Woodstock days of the late 60s and early 70s, all I wanted was loud. So it was L100, L45s and then L300s. So I got loud, but lost everything else. Took me several years to realize the error of my ways, but came back to Tympanis in the early 70s and then KLH9s and Dayton Wright XG8 MkII in the mid 70s then the JBLs were gone.
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Im gonna try out some jbl powered monitors for my new home office/gaming setup. I believe the 305's got recommended earlier. anyone got a deal/coupon code on them? I noticed they have limited edition ones with graphics that look cool. https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professio...5p%2Bmkii&th=1


will be using sealed velodyne hgs 12 sub...anything else to consider via science? they will be on my desk just a couple feet away so dont think I need or want any large monitors...
I'm sure they will do well. I have the Mackie MR624s which are by most reports a little better but may be too big depending on your desk. Maybe consider the MR524 vs the 305 if using a sub? Probably getting off-topic though.

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Im gonna try out some jbl powered monitors for my new home office/gaming setup. I believe the 305's got recommended earlier. anyone got a deal/coupon code on them? I noticed they have limited edition ones with graphics that look cool. https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professio...5p%2Bmkii&th=1


will be using sealed velodyne hgs 12 sub...anything else to consider via science? they will be on my desk just a couple feet away so dont think I need or want any large monitors...
My experience with 305s was pretty bad. For the price, they are not bad speakers but ....

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My fault! After reading so many post and the way Floyd Toole took ownership of the responses, it seemed like he was the original poster.
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I've always wondered how common this is. I've heard speakers that don't sound all that great until they are turned up, and I've heard speakers that sound great at both low and high volumes.





Thanks for the suggestion, I've added them to my list! I see they have horn mounted tweeters. My only experience with horns are Klipsch speakers, and after listening to a bunch of different models I always found them to be very shrill and hard on the ears. I had a hard time listening to them for any length of time. The dealer said they typically only sell them to older guys with bad hearing lol. I don't know if that's typical of horns or not.
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So $10k Revels smash a $10k pair of Magico's. Could you do the same but vs Magico Q5? I know they're $50k would would be interesting. Revel Ultima are some of the very finest speakers I have ever heard, but it seems the ultimate Über high-end hi-fi magazines LOVE everything Magico.
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(Gotta love your user name!) Sure, if you bring a Magico Q5 to Northridge we will measure it and put it in a double-blind listening test.
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so from a science viewpoint notches in certain frequencies are NOT beneficial?

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some freq's stimulate my ringing in ears...thank god for eq and/or speakers that are tuned to my liking.

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I should add that its headphones that have led me to realizing what freq's actually hurt my ears...played at very low levels I learned what my ears enjoy.

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so from a science viewpoint notches in certain frequencies are NOT beneficial?

I've got one at 1.5k, which is a little annoying. I'm no expert when it comes to numbers, but it might be ringing? And overall, it appears that my room is a little dead

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I've got one at 1.5k, which is a little annoying. I'm no expert when it comes to numbers, but it might be ringing? And overall, it appears that my room is a little dead


I have been listening to 8 different headphones lately using a simple sweep lately to showcase the high end...everyone says the low end is important...I think high end is very important...anyways I like using this sweep for headphones...https://www.audiocheck.net/testtones...lsinesweep.php

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when I use umik mic and rew I get very different results when measuring speakers at varying distance. like 1m,3m,5m...yes I have lg room. the simple rew results help me, but I doubt they could help anyone else...just like I doubt flat anechoic measurements can help anyone. you either know what your doing or dont.

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so in a way science is like preying on the 99% that arent scientific...easy money. if I go ahead and try the jbl sm's and dont like them...I will feel like I should of known better after my hate for jbl in 90's...the hate was due to blown multiple of speakers and NO support.

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when I use umik mic and rew I get very different results when measuring speakers at varying distance. like 1m,3m,5m...yes I have lg room. the simple rew results help me, but I doubt they could help anyone else...just like I doubt flat anechoic measurements can help anyone. you either know what your doing or dont.

I still do it the way I always have and that's by ear, which should surprise no one here. I used REW after to try to use it enough that I could learn something about it.
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Thanks for the very interesting and informative thread. I think a little bit of empirical study is in order. Purchased Floyd’s book and a pair of Kevin’s speakers.
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Stereo reproduction is subject to fundamental distortions of spatial perspective, sufficiently severe that no six-year old with normal hearing will be fooled into confusing a stereo playback with a real, live sonic event. The imaging of stereo is an acquired taste which audiophiles learn to be sensitive to -- acclimating to its unnatural perspective in order to enjoy the portrait of sound which the stereo system paints between the loudspeakers.
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"I was starting with subjective impressions shared by every person I've ever known"

Ditto for me after 60 years in the hobby, but true, I'm the poster boi for the term 'subjectivist audiophile'.
Yet this thread is called 'what the science shows' - why keep arguing the facts? 'm sure there's plenty of fora or threads to live out the subjective dream.


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"There is no metric for it"

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist simply because you (and others) at this time are unable to measure it.
I never said it did not exist. I said there is no metric for it. The reason for that is that it is the result of other matters that áre quantifiable. Differences in dispersion and location for loudspeakers, in relation to the listening position in a given room will yield different results. Physical size (larger vs smaller speaker) is not the reason for differences in terms of 'imaging'. It is the combination of those previously mentioned matters - if there are differences between the large and small system in that regard, different results are possible. Also, as said before by Floyd Toole (and I mentioned it a page or two back myself). Bass performance has a severe impact on the overall experience in terms of 'weight'/'scale' ..or whatever term you wish to implement. Setting up a subwoofer is an enterprise in itself that requires time, patience and measurements. It's rarely done right.ss

What the science shows is that localisation cues are apparent to humans in the higher treble range. The argument of line arrays is invalid because we do not hear the 'line'. The direct (on-axis) sound that arrives first and strongest to ears will provide us with the necessary information to determe location. PA line arrays are big because they need to cover very large groups of listeners over large distances, while playing at concert levels. They must also never break, so they are essentially 'over-engineered' as it is. The same goes for smaller arrays such as the CBT systems: we do not hear the 'line' in line source.
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Kudos for your listening. You might find the attached Klipsch Spinorama of interest. As you can see, aside from very poor balance and a lack of smoothness, it also exhibits resonance issues.
I like my particular Klipsch speakers, but their entry level speakers, which the Icon were are by most accounts not too good. Supposedly, the latest iteration is better, although I would suspect they still have resonance issues is that is one way to keep speakers cheap.

It would be interesting to see spins on Klipsch RP which have rubberized horns and thicker MDF. And, no, I'm not sending you any, I'm poorish.
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Scale is just a word. Who cares what the word means to you? What it means to him is the only thing important. If he wants to use it as a buzzword to describe several things that he values in speakers (ie. dynamics, power handling, maximum output level, directivity, frequency response, etc.) so be it. Welcome to the English language and a world where everything is not in black and white.

Here's another word for you: "sound". Exercise: Try to duplicate the sound of a good PA system at 120dB with your Bose Wave Radio. Write down the final dB level where things start to fall apart.
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It matters in this thread. 'What the science says' as opposed to 'What my personal interpratation is'

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Yet this thread is called 'what the science shows' - why keep arguing the facts? 'm sure there's plenty of fora or threads to live out the subjective dream.




I never said it did not exist. I said there is no metric for it. The reason for that is that it is the result of other matters that áre quantifiable. Differences in dispersion and location for loudspeakers, in relation to the listening position in a given room will yield different results. Physical size (larger vs smaller speaker) is not the reason for differences in terms of 'imaging'. It is the combination of those previously mentioned matters - if there are differences between the large and small system in that regard, different results are possible. Also, as said before by Floyd Toole (and I mentioned it a page or two back myself). Bass performance has a severe impact on the overall experience in terms of 'weight'/'scale' ..or whatever term you wish to implement. Setting up a subwoofer is an enterprise in itself that requires time, patience and measurements. It's rarely done right.ss

What the science shows is that localisation cues are apparent to humans in the higher treble range. The argument of line arrays is invalid because we do not hear the 'line'. The direct (on-axis) sound that arrives first and strongest to ears will provide us with the necessary information to determe location. PA line arrays are big because they need to cover very large groups of listeners over large distances, while playing at concert levels. They must also never break, so they are essentially 'over-engineered' as it is. The same goes for smaller arrays such as the CBT systems: we do not hear the 'line' in line source.

Okay, how many rounds do you really want to go?

"I said there is no metric for it"

Good, we're in agreement
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Since this is a thread about science, can I not argue in favor of it? My comments are perfectly on topic with straightforward objective information (I try to at least, English is not my native language). The question is, why are a handful of subjectivists constantly debating information based on scientific research based on their personal experiences, which have no validity from an objective POV?
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Im skeptical as I see so many youtube reviewers praising jbl sm's but then I look at what these reviewers actually use its never the jbls...I have an avr in my office with old klipsch kg 3.2's but I want to run a computer based setup. this a hard choice for me as I usually hate jbl do to my experiences with them in 90's.
I have JBL LSR30X as my computer/studio speakers. For the money, they're great. I have no complaints at all and have no plans to replace them when I set up a proper guitar studio. If I did, I'd jump all the way up to Mackie HR824 Mk2, but those are $1,500. Nothing in between except the KRK 10-3 impresses me.

Some studio guys are currently recommending Kali LP-6 for budget studios. They go for the same as the 305.
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Since this is a thread about science, can I not argue in favor of it? My comments are perfectly on topic with straightforward objective information (I try to at least, English is not my native language). The question is, why are a handful of subjectivists constantly debating information based on scientific research based on their personal experiences, which have no validity from an objective POV?

You can argue until you're blue in the face, just not with me. Have a nice day.
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I have JBL LSR30X as my computer/studio speakers. For the money, they're great. I have no complaints at all and have no plans to replace them when I set up a proper guitar studio. If I did, I'd jump all the way up to Mackie HR824 Mk2, but those are $1,500. Nothing in between except the KRK 10-3 impresses me.

Some studio guys are currently recommending Kali LP-6 for budget studios. They go for the same as the 305.

Although these are a bit big, I'd probably go this direction. https://www.magnepan.com/model_mini_maggie

If I don't have to do anything, I'd be fine with that too.
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